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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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bmn
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- 64.7% of teams with a gold lead at 10 minutes going on to win the game - At 10 minutes the gold lead went to the Purple team 76.4% of the time - The Blue team wins 60% of the games | ||
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Simberto
Germany12014 Posts
Actually, that also makes me wonder a bit how you got numbers like 64.7% or 76.4%. I assume you only counted gold leads of some significance there? | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On June 18 2013 22:13 nafta wrote: Well considering people still ban him just so your team doesn't pick it I'd say it says a lot lol. It says that people have no idea how to play him or vs. him, pretty much like every new release. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
What the hell. If these are the guys I'm barely going ~60/40 oagainst it makes me sad how bad I am. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:20 Sandster wrote: One of my friends has been winning a lot of games in a row so her MMR is ~Gold V or IV, which is about where mine is. I briefly observe one of the games and she's laning against a TF that builds Lichbane into...Nashors. Meanwhile the AD Nidalee on her team is laning against a Renek that builds...Brutalizer into Frozen Mallet. They have the skills to back it up too, especially with that lethal TF ult into enemy team -> GOLD CARD -> WILD CARDS -> ...faster autos? combo. What the hell. If these are the guys I'm barely going ~60/40 oagainst it makes me sad how bad I am. Knowing decent item builds doesn't make you good, and at the same time, building terrible items doesn't make you bad. But that's not even terrible items. You should go to the QQ thread ! | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:20 Sandster wrote: One of my friends has been winning a lot of games in a row so her MMR is ~Gold V or IV, which is about where mine is. I briefly observe one of the games and she's laning against a TF that builds Lichbane into...Nashors. Meanwhile the AD Nidalee on her team is laning against a Renek that builds...Brutalizer into Frozen Mallet. They have the skills to back it up too, especially with that lethal TF ult into enemy team -> GOLD CARD -> WILD CARDS -> ...faster autos? combo. What the hell. If these are the guys I'm barely going ~60/40 oagainst it makes me sad how bad I am. This is how I feel exactly except that I'm at Silver 5. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong sometimes, even when I look at the replay. T_T But I know that I need to improve, so I guess that's the first step... right? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 Since my decision-making is way ahead of my mechanics (relatively speaking, both are meh at best) I can easily point out dumb shit that my teammates do, but when they see an opportunity they are able to capitalise on it, while I may not throw/feed as much but I barely "dare" because I'm not confident in what I get away with. In the end I'll never end up carrying and I find myself relying on these players to make the plays I set them up for. Which is another way of being bad. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:40 Alaric wrote: Y'know, all these terrible Ezreal who build blue without even thinking about lane match-ups, team comps, if they're ahead or not, etc.? You see them because they're at your level. Or you're at theirs. So yeah. Since my decision-making is way ahead of my mechanics (relatively speaking, both are meh at best) I can easily point out dumb shit that my teammates do, but when they see an opportunity they are able to capitalise on it, while I may not throw/feed as much but I barely "dare" because I'm not confident in what I get away with. In the end I'll never end up carrying and I find myself relying on these players to make the plays I set them up for. Which is another way of being bad. I know, right? The sad part about it is looking at this people who are making asinine decisions or blatantly don't know shit and remembering "I'M JUST AS BAD." | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:43 AsmodeusXI wrote: I know, right? The sad part about it is looking at this people who are making asinine decisions or blatantly don't know shit and remembering "I'M JUST AS BAD." Lol I don't understand why you are hurting yourself so hard. It's just a game, take pleasure into it or just don't play it. There are no shame in being bad at a game. A good way to improve is to just pick one champion or a few number of champions. I've done it, carried me to Gold II in a hearthbeat (like 50 to 70 game with either Diana or Ahri, playing leona or zyra sup if I could not go mid). Now I clearly see the difference in level : I tried to pick some other champ and demoted back to Gold V so fast, then picked Ahri back and won 10 game in a row. When you are bad - like me - focussing on one champ gives you some kind of comfort that really influence your play and helps you focus on improving yourself. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:29 AsmodeusXI wrote: This is how I feel exactly except that I'm at Silver 5. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong sometimes, even when I look at the replay. T_T But I know that I need to improve, so I guess that's the first step... right? Speaking of Silver 5...I observed a buddy two nights ago with a top lane Mundo that rushes Frozen Heart (yes, Frozen Heart) against a Cho, AP mid, and AP jungler I really do think that there is a divide between a player who is mechanically sound (e.g. spam 300 games on one champion), and a player who understands the game at a high level (game sense, theorycrafting, etc). In S2 I was much better at the latter, which is why I always jungled/supported and led the team around, but I was so bad mechanically that I would lose my lane 80% of the times I lane. I'm sure I've had just as many teammates who thought about me "this guy is such crap, how is he at my level??" as I have of them. My point is that, because I don't watch replays of my own games, I'm just not aware of how bad the players in my games are (including myself). Analyzing my replays BW was a big reason I improved, so it's weird I don't watch them more in League. On June 18 2013 23:40 Alaric wrote: Y'know, all these terrible Ezreal who build blue without even thinking about lane match-ups, team comps, if they're ahead or not, etc.? You see them because they're at your level. Or you're at theirs. So yeah. Since my decision-making is way ahead of my mechanics (relatively speaking, both are meh at best) I can easily point out dumb shit that my teammates do, but when they see an opportunity they are able to capitalise on it, while I may not throw/feed as much but I barely "dare" because I'm not confident in what I get away with. In the end I'll never end up carrying and I find myself relying on these players to make the plays I set them up for. Which is another way of being bad. Yeah man, outside of a few mid-lane champs that I rarely play anymore, I can barely get a double kill once every 5 games. Sometimes I deliberately try to kill secure and can't even get it. I'm definitely not cut out for mid or ADC. I had a quadra on Renek a few days ago and was almost foaming at the mouth chasing the last 2 guys. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:43 AsmodeusXI wrote: I know, right? The sad part about it is looking at this people who are making asinine decisions or blatantly don't know shit and remembering "I'M JUST AS BAD." Maybe you are but maybe you're not, as I don't know you I can't comment and so I'll comment on myself instead. I'm also at the level (gold III) where I look around at the people I'm playing with and think "wow these guys are truly awful" when they make really stupid decisions (both in game play and in item builds) and I do not believe myself to be as bad as the people I play with for two reasons. Firstly I'm not making the same retarded decisions they make. Secondly I have a greater than 50% win rate. And having that in a system that is specifically designed to keep you at 50% as well as having 80% of your team being composed of those awful players, is actually a pretty huge deal. So yes, while I'm not challenger level good, I still believe I'm better than where I'm currently at. So you guys shouldn't put yourselves down so much just because you are playing with bad players. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
(I mean, you know people are bad because it's Ez+Fid vs MF+Leo and they still lost the lane and didn't even try to engage on us at levels 2-3 or even just 4. I still died for stupid shit several times.) Everytime I play a non-Leo support I really feel the difference in habit and comfort, even considering her innate tankiness. I'll go back to her when I see a Sona picked on purple side or something, then realise after 2 weeks without touching her suddenly I forgot how and I suck (I've got hope though, I still position like her when playing Fiddle so there's at least some left ).If I manage to luck out in Gold V I guess I'll give AD a chance instead of always declining it. Gotta tank that Elo. ^ about carrying it's not that it prevents me from enjoying the game—just feeling that you've "done your part" is great too. However, soloQ tends to send you at the level where you can carry, rather than the level where you can still play decently, so it's detrimental if you're in for the shiny banners. And it also makes you more prone to throws and stuff like that, because you are unable to pick up the slack if someone on your team screws up. This, however, can make games pretty frustrating. Regarding "being higher-level", etc. there's the huge difference than replays can make. When you're in lane, you can't watch what your allies do all the time, and you'll miss out on a bunch. And negative stuff will stick to your memory more than positive stuff. Plus it's not like you never have derps yourself. One game I had, top Trynd didn't give a leash at all, and I barely missed Shaco stealing my red. When I invaded his it ended up with enemy Diana killing me (getting blue) and Trynd killing Shaco for a double buff. A bit later, mid dies, so I know Shaco and Diana may try to steal the blue that just came up. Despite pings and chat, Trynd doesn't move, so I concede it while telling him to run (he's way past river), he doesn't and they kill him. So far when I was directly involved he had dubious decisions and all had a negative impact on me. Except that when I was busy elsewhere he destroyed his lane thanks to the double buff, then farmed like a boss and splitpushed to the naked inhib. I saw the Draven+Sona (with not armour from runes or masteries) against Janna+Cait take golems and still die several times and lose tower first. But when I pressed tab I noticed that Draven was somehow 30 cs ahead (and Sona only died once of the whole game, when dove 1v2). Sona also had good warding and sense of opportunities, allowing a quick drake after an enemy back (despite me being hugely behind from the invade and death). I could easily criticise their decision-making/map awareness/strange runes setups, but then that'd only be based on what they see. They could as well see that time where I didn't notice Hecarim left the bush, and baited a trade almost for nothing. Or when I think "that ward just die, they're trying to push, gotta replace it while I can", go to the river and they're actually pushing because the jungler wanted to camp and arrived by chance right after my ward died and I fachecheck him. Plus people usually have trouble noticing that "invisible" stuff that you need to analyse, for example buff-less Shaco having to camp top because Trynd is destroying made it so that I was actually less behind after that despite dying, because I had a lot less pressure, and at least one lane I didn't need to worry about. Draven died and lost his tower, but was still 30 cs ahead, and Draven—so probably able to 1v1 half the enemy team anyway. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:57 Slusher wrote: Depending on how many ranked games they have played division may have no corrolation to mmr Sure there's a correlation. They're only vastly different if if they're sub-30 LP in division V with a ton of games played, or if they have a W/L % drastically different from 50%. Or if they go on a huge winning/losing streak for whatever reason. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 18 2013 23:50 WhiteDog wrote: Lol I don't understand why you are hurting yourself so hard. It's just a game, take pleasure into it or just don't play it. There are no shame in being bad at a game. A good way to improve is to just pick one champion or a few number of champions. I've done it, carried me to Gold II in a hearthbeat (like 50 to 70 game with either Diana or Ahri, playing leona or zyra sup if I could not go mid). Now I clearly see the difference in level : I tried to pick some other champ and demoted back to Gold V so fast, then picked Ahri back and won 10 game in a row. When you are bad - like me - focussing on one champ gives you some kind of comfort that really influence your play and helps you focus on improving yourself. Don't worry, I always enjoy playing, I just know I'm a baddie. That's what I've started doing lately. Always Sej in the jungle, always Janna support, and that's pretty much what I always play. I'm noticing improvements already.  On June 18 2013 23:56 ArchAngelSC wrote: Maybe you are but maybe you're not, as I don't know you I can't comment and so I'll comment on myself instead. I'm also at the level (gold III) where I look around at the people I'm playing with and think "wow these guys are truly awful" when they make really stupid decisions (both in game play and in item builds) and I do not believe myself to be as bad as the people I play with for two reasons. Firstly I'm not making the same retarded decisions they make. Secondly I have a greater than 50% win rate. And having that in a system that is specifically designed to keep you at 50% as well as having 80% of your team being composed of those awful players, is actually a pretty huge deal. So yes, while I'm not challenger level good, I still believe I'm better than where I'm currently at. So you guys shouldn't put yourselves down so much just because you are playing with bad players. I think I have an <50% winrate at this point. So yeah... | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On June 19 2013 00:04 AsmodeusXI wrote: Don't worry, I always enjoy playing, I just know I'm a baddie. That's what I've started doing lately. Always Sej in the jungle, always Janna support, and that's pretty much what I always play. I'm noticing improvements already. I think I have an <50% winrate at this point. So yeah... I am interested to see how much I can improve in the two weeks that I will be home (July 15-July 28 SO SOOON). For this I decided to pick a few champs for each role. top/mid: Kat, Karthus, Kayle Jungle: Eve, Nasus Support: Blitzcrank, Janna ADC: Tristana Of course. This list might change depending on what patch it will be when I am home. I know Brand and LB might get buffed and those are two of my favorite characters. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 19 2013 00:04 AsmodeusXI wrote: Don't worry, I always enjoy playing, I just know I'm a baddie. That's what I've started doing lately. Always Sej in the jungle, always Janna support, and that's pretty much what I always play. I'm noticing improvements already. A big reason I didn't improve much late S2 / early S3 was because I played every role, with like 4-6 champs in every role. I only played a few games a day so there was no way for me to learn all the lane matchups. Then patches come, including big sweeping ones involving items and jungle changes, and I have to relearn everything. Take a slight break, come back, relearn everything.... Now I said fuck it, I'm going to top lane and learn 3-4 champs as well as I can. Playing higher level opponents consistently improves mechanical skills/reflexes, and the rote memory of last hitting and other routine stuff that previously took all my time is now replaced by more time looking at the map, jungle movements, etc. All that stuff is transferable to other champs once I do play them again. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 19 2013 00:14 JonGalt wrote: I am interested to see how much I can improve in the two weeks that I will be home (July 15-July 28 SO SOOON). For this I decided to pick a few champs for each role. top/mid: Kat, Karthus, Kayle Jungle: Eve, Nasus Support: Blitzcrank, Janna ADC: Tristana Of course. This list might change depending on what patch it will be when I am home. I know Brand and LB might get buffed and those are two of my favorite characters. Let me know when you're back because I'll be unemployed and we can duo queue like WHOA. | ||
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