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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 04 2013 03:42 GMT
#5161
On June 04 2013 12:40 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 12:23 GARO wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
So Blizzard now following in Riot's footsteps after they used the SC2 ladder idea.
Can't be demoted out of a tier now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415740

Why don't all the E-sports just combine forces and put everybody into one giant league and hold hands and give out sparklers?

When the fuck did people playing competitive ladder RTSes actually get SCARED of losing their precious points/ranks?



search on team liquid for ladder fear, and look at the results!



mild qq: I bought ezreal 2 days ago...he is free this week Dont why this is annoying lol.

Well then after this week you can still play him though!
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 04 2013 03:46 GMT
#5162
tpa skins successfully acquired

now to explain to my landlord why i cant pay rent...
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 04 2013 03:56 GMT
#5163
i think you guys hate on prom queen annie too much
tibbers makes that skin


in other news, diana + skarner new skins pls
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 04:00:23
June 04 2013 03:59 GMT
#5164
On June 04 2013 11:39 Cubu wrote:
they just released latin america servers and the transfers are free, whereas other transfers are 2600rp. Favouritism much?


I assume you haven't been around long enough. Transfers have always been free in the first month(s) or so when they announce it. It helps everyone, and gives some incentive to actually switch servers. I believe if you are a beta member, transfers to EU are still possible to this day due to how awkward the initial transfers were. There were a lot of of EU people who disliked GOA in the initial transfers to EU, and declined. They are still free if you contact support

That maintenance.
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
June 04 2013 03:59 GMT
#5165
I agree, Diana needs a new skin. Sailor Moon Diana would be interesting and would (somewhat) fit her theme.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 04 2013 04:05 GMT
#5166
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 04 2013 04:25 GMT
#5167
On June 04 2013 12:56 gtrsrs wrote:
i think you guys hate on prom queen annie too much
tibbers makes that skin


in other news, diana + skarner new skins pls

Battlecast Skarner has been in the works for a long time
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 04 2013 04:26 GMT
#5168
why is zyra so rarely played mid? i personally think shes OP as fk, that amount of cc and aoe she has is silly
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 04 2013 04:31 GMT
#5169
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.

Wonky build up; Also cuz bulwark exists.
liftlift > tsm
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
June 04 2013 04:49 GMT
#5170
On June 04 2013 13:26 kongoline wrote:
why is zyra so rarely played mid? i personally think shes OP as fk, that amount of cc and aoe she has is silly


I know right? She was my #1 personal ban when she was sort of popular
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 04 2013 04:50 GMT
#5171
Catalyst not worth dumping 1.2k in for regen every level
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 04:52:26
June 04 2013 04:51 GMT
#5172
Yeah Catalyst does kind of suck. Its passive is lame-o.

And Banshee doesn't keep the Catalyst passive, also lame-o.

I really like Banshee on Yorick though, it confuses me why other champs don't consider it an option for an HP+MR item.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 04 2013 04:53 GMT
#5173
On June 04 2013 13:26 kongoline wrote:
why is zyra so rarely played mid? i personally think shes OP as fk, that amount of cc and aoe she has is silly


Last i remember it was because her E received a minor speed nerf.

But shhhhhh playing 90% zyra mid/support is how i climb the ladder XD
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
June 04 2013 04:58 GMT
#5174
Speaking of Diana (her thread is incredibly outdated), but anyone have thoughts on her standard build up? So far I've been doing a two rings, sorc boots into zhonyas rush. Recently I've got some good amount of gold in my games so I rushed a dcap instead and noticed it was incredibly underwhelming AND I felt much weaker than the zhonyas route. Aside from zhonyas, I'm not really certain of what is optimal on her. Nashors seems really overpriced since it's nerf, deathcap doesn't seem to offer nearly as much as for other champs due to her lower ratios. In fact, I'm not even certain if I should be building sorc boots or am using optimal runes/masteries. I run attack speed reds, armor seals, mr flat blues, ap quints with 16/9/5 with attack speed in my first tier offense instead of cdr.

My normal first four items also has zero cdr which I think could also be a big mistake. (sorc boots, zhonyas, deathcap, guardian angel or abyssal)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 04 2013 05:05 GMT
#5175
On June 04 2013 13:53 Parametric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 13:26 kongoline wrote:
why is zyra so rarely played mid? i personally think shes OP as fk, that amount of cc and aoe she has is silly


Last i remember it was because her E received a minor speed nerf.

But shhhhhh playing 90% zyra mid/support is how i climb the ladder XD

That speed nerf was targeted at Support Zyra anyway lol. I've actually been thinking about trying her out mid again.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 04 2013 05:17 GMT
#5176
On June 04 2013 13:58 KissBlade wrote:
Speaking of Diana (her thread is incredibly outdated), but anyone have thoughts on her standard build up? So far I've been doing a two rings, sorc boots into zhonyas rush. Recently I've got some good amount of gold in my games so I rushed a dcap instead and noticed it was incredibly underwhelming AND I felt much weaker than the zhonyas route. Aside from zhonyas, I'm not really certain of what is optimal on her. Nashors seems really overpriced since it's nerf, deathcap doesn't seem to offer nearly as much as for other champs due to her lower ratios. In fact, I'm not even certain if I should be building sorc boots or am using optimal runes/masteries. I run attack speed reds, armor seals, mr flat blues, ap quints with 16/9/5 with attack speed in my first tier offense instead of cdr.

My normal first four items also has zero cdr which I think could also be a big mistake. (sorc boots, zhonyas, deathcap, guardian angel or abyssal)


Against an AP laner I would personally rush Abyssal. Coming back to lane after first buy with a Negatron is super intimidating.

I typically build Sorcs + Abyssal/Zhonyas (order dependent on what I'm laning against) and then usually I have to decide if I want damage or if I need to be tankier. Diana's damage is really high and Zhonyas+Abyssal is a ton of AP so I often find myself building Frozen Heart as a third item (it's possible that Gauntlet could be decent but I've never built it on her). Deathcap is obviously the ideal choice if you want more damage. I was never a big fan of Nashors Diana but between the nerfs to Nashors and the nerfs to Diana passive I would agree that it's not an ideal item on her anymore. Once you get past three-four items I think your fifth item is largely preference though and really going Nashors, DFG, or even something like GA/Warmogs could be ideal as your last purchase but few games go on that long. I'm sure you could justify a Lich Bane on her as well. I don't think CDR is as vital on her as other mages since her CDs are fairly low and her R has a reset mechanic (but obviously CDR isn't bad on her).

Core is definitely Zhonya/Abyssal/Dcap though and beyond that I think it's something that's really flexible depending on how the game is going and what kind of Diana play style you're going for. Diana is still so strong that there are probably three different, perfectly viable, ways to play her.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 04 2013 06:40 GMT
#5177
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Every champion played nowadays has an infinity range poke ability that instantly breaks the shield.

Also, most tanky champs don't want veil because they don't need mana. Buy bulwark instead, its a stupidly strong item.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 04 2013 06:45 GMT
#5178
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Compare:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Visage

With

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee's_Veil

Spririt Visage vs. Banshee's Veil

Cost: 2220 vs. 2520
HP: 200 vs. 400
MR: 50 vs. 45
20% CDR vs. 300 Mana
20% Increased Healing vs. Spellshield

The comparison is actually not as bad as I initially thought, depending on how much you value the spellshield (not that much on a tanky champ). 20% CDR is really quite good (and lategame mana fairly useless on most tanks). You could cap CDR with just 1 other item (usually). Also, the kindlegem is basically never wasted, whereas unless you are Ryze a midgame catalyst (around the time you realize you need a dedicated MR item besides Aegis) is fairly meh.
Freeeeeeedom
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 04 2013 06:50 GMT
#5179
On June 04 2013 12:40 Abenson wrote:
I HAVE FINALLY SEEN IT

You lucker dog.

:p
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 06:55:31
June 04 2013 06:53 GMT
#5180
On June 04 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote:
Yeah Catalyst does kind of suck. Its passive is lame-o.

And Banshee doesn't keep the Catalyst passive, also lame-o.

I really like Banshee on Yorick though, it confuses me why other champs don't consider it an option for an HP+MR item.


It's an option, but not a great one. You take poke more than once every 25 seconds, the spell shield doesn't reset. The build up is awkward. Spirit Visage provides more MR, also gives health, and 20% CDR plus the passive, and it costs less. If you just care about tanky stats, Bulwark beats it too, not to mention the aura. Both SV and Bulwark have smoother build paths.

Also if you're a bruiser eating one more spell isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, more often than not. 20% CDR or extra MR for your team is just a lot more valuable.
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