[Patch 3.06: Lissandra Patch] General Discussion - Page 23

On May 01 2013 11:39 Ketara wrote:


Lux's damage compared to other APs is low. Her advantage is safety and reliability of that damage, not the damage itself.

On May 01 2013 11:53 Ketara wrote:
It's not like Karthus who does 3 or 4x as much damage as her in a given teamfight, but almost certainly has to die to maximize his damage, or like Annie who can't instagib somebody without flashing in their face.

On May 01 2013 11:59 beefhamburger wrote:
Lux's passive deals a significant portion of her ult's damage. If you do any sort of combo calculation with her, you have to add in the extra damage from it (70 at level 6 and 190 at level 18) since everyone ignites illumination with the ult. Without it, I find damage from her ult alone fairly mediocre. However with it, it jumps a few tiers in terms of damage (all disregarding the CD). And theoretically you can get her passive off 3 times in one combo if you time your spells right and are in range to auto attack enough which leads to insane combo damage.


Why can't you instagib someone without flashing? Just lead with Q stun and you can still easily get your whole combo off. In a teamfight, you're guaranteed at least one stun/full combo as long as you don't chase someone kiting you for days.

On May 01 2013 12:05 Shikyo wrote:

Q is 625 range for Annie, and that's the thing. Theory is nice and all but the reality can be different.

Also I used Annie as an example because she's known as one of the highest lvl 6 bursts.


Lux just hits one(or two) people with snare and they instantly get bursted and she's basically impossible to punish for it.

On May 01 2013 10:23 Ketara wrote:


C'mon Soniv, get a sense of humor~

On May 01 2013 12:05 Simberto wrote:
Most people prefer not to get in range of annies stun when she has it up, and it is rather easy to avoid getting that close unless she flashes.

On May 01 2013 12:22 docvoc wrote:

It's hard to say impossible to punish, though since the lux player has to hit those skill shots. I will admit her range gives her a lot of lee-way though. Especially compared to the more in-your-face mids who have to get close.

On May 01 2013 12:32 cLutZ wrote:
Well absolute burst is pretty irrelevant no? The relevant levels of burst are basically:

1. Can Kill Support in 1 Combo
2. Can Kill AD Carry in 1 Combo
3. Can Kill Caster/Carry in 1 Combo
4. Can Kill Jungler in 1 Combo
5. Can kill tank/bruiser in 1 combo

Breakpoints 4/5 are unreachable. And for BP 1-3 you can replace Kill with "effectively Zone" depending on the teamfight location and enemy character. Of course sometimes you have more than one champion bursting a character. But if 2 players are on bursty champs and can't kill #1-3 (mostly) then you are likely losing.

On May 01 2013 12:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:


No u

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On May 01 2013 12:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
just to be nitpicky, supports are usually tankier than the ad as a virtue of dragonballs and sightstone, and usually aegis.

i do think its a little silly about how lux passive does so much damage compared to, say, leona's.

On May 01 2013 12:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Honestly, I like throwing out tibbers immediately at lvl 6, even if it won't kill (say I don't have enough mana, or enough AP, or they have a bunch of MR) just to force them away. Getting them out of lane can almost be as effective as killing them early on. It shifts map control in your favor if done right since it can drag their jungler to hold the lane, giving your team a lot of security for a little while.

On May 01 2013 12:32 cLutZ wrote:
Well absolute burst is pretty irrelevant no? The relevant levels of burst are basically:

0. Can Kill Sona in 1 Combo
1. Can Kill SupportAD Carry in 1 Combo
2. Can Kill AD CarrySupports in 1 Combo
3. Can Kill Caster/Carry in 1 Combo
4. Can Kill Jungler in 1 Combo
5. Can kill tank/bruiser in 1 combo

Breakpoints 4/5 are unreachable. And for BP 1-3 you can replace Kill with "effectively Zone" depending on the teamfight location and enemy character. Of course sometimes you have more than one champion bursting a character. But if 2 players are on bursty champs and can't kill #1-3 (mostly) then you are likely losing.

On May 01 2013 12:43 cLutZ wrote:


Support is always like 3 levels behind, so IDK. Particularly progames, and thats what we want to talk bout right?

Also, for the Record I don't find Lux that bad, my crusade is against Zed right now, and the erroneous concept that AD casters that don't suck are balanced.