• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:11
CEST 21:11
KST 04:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall4HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL29Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster14Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) WardiTV Mondays SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL Help: rep cant save Where did Hovz go? [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 647 users

[Patch 3.06: Lissandra Patch] General Discussion - Page 147

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 145 146 147 148 149 189 Next
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 11 2013 02:08 GMT
#2921
On May 11 2013 10:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
What do you do as Jayce if you back against like a Riven/Jax/Irelia/Nid or some other champ that has a large kill potential post 6 and then they have 2 dorans blades and you only have tear? Farm with your Q as best you can?

Pretty much. Jayce has pretty crazy wave clear with Cannon form QE and Hammer form QW so it's not that hard CS under tower. I mean I realize Tear rush gives you a weak early game, but you just have to play acknowledging this. Just poke from range and if you poke them low enough you can all in them. Also once you get Muramana your power spikes hard mid game.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 11 2013 03:16 GMT
#2922
On May 11 2013 10:40 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:28 TheYango wrote:
Random aside, I think it's funny that Probuilds doesn't have any data on Chinese players when any "serious" solo queue game played by a Chinese player is going to be played on KR server anyway (which they already have data for) and many of these players' KR smurfs are easily known.

Aren't there alot of good players in chinese server? I thought there would be more good players there due to alot of people having experience with dota 1. Kinda like the case with sc2 in kr.

The thing is, China doesn't have one single server. It has a bunch of smaller regional servers, so it's kind of fragmented. A lot of the good players just end up getting KR smurfs one way or another and just playing KR solo queue.
Moderator
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 11 2013 03:32 GMT
#2923
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
May 11 2013 03:38 GMT
#2924
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 11 2013 03:40 GMT
#2925
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 11 2013 03:41 GMT
#2926
On May 11 2013 12:40 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???

[Ashe/Lissandra/Sejuani] needs to be killed. Kill her.

Reward: A buff icon


As far as I can tell anyway
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
May 11 2013 04:08 GMT
#2927
On May 11 2013 12:41 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:40 justiceknight wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???

[Ashe/Lissandra/Sejuani] needs to be killed. Kill her.

Reward: A buff icon


As far as I can tell anyway

Yup.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_for_Freljord
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 11 2013 04:20 GMT
#2928
On May 11 2013 09:49 TheYango wrote:
The other thing is that solely for the purpose of sustain, Chalice outperforms ToG. They give the same regen, but until Tear gets heavily stacked, the % mana regen increase of Chalice is more significant than the max mana gain of ToG (plus it gives immediate stats while the mana of ToG doesn't become fully useful until you finish Manamune/Muramana).

ToG is essentially a gp10 item that gives you mana instead of gold. It gives mana at a very aggressive rate (effectively 26 gp10 worth of mana for someone who can stack it on CD, less for someone who uses spells less often), but you do have to realize that it IS still an item that shifts your item timings in the way that a gp10 item does (although obviously more smoothly because of how fast it generates mana).


This is actually cropping up in ARAMs. Compared to when the queue first launched, a greater proportion of players are starting Chalice instead of Tear. The immediate value and stronger sustain of Chalice becomes extremely obvious when you can't port back to the fountain for healing and have to sustain versus withering poke. The trend is strong enough that I've even seen a few mana-hungry ADs start Chalice instead of Tear so they can rush items with more immediate impact.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 11 2013 04:20 GMT
#2929
Winning the Khaz v Rengar quest and getting that 4th evolution point is pretty strong. Khaz is so flexible when he has all his stuff evolved.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 11 2013 04:32 GMT
#2930
Rengar with the head is so much stronger (compared to normal rengar vs. compared to normal khazix).
The +150 leap range is stupid good.

Also, I can't get my Ashe icon, QQ.
Freeeeeeedom
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
May 11 2013 04:32 GMT
#2931
Farm as best you can. If they engage onto you, QEW in ranged form, switch to melee and Q>AA>E them and run back to tower to wait for cooldowns (assuming they're on top of you). If you do it quickly enough and hit the ranged Q (pretty hard at short range), even with tear, you trade pretty evenly with all of them. While you don't have much AD at all, given that you have a tear + consumables and a single dorans/longsword at best, you're effectively trading quantity of skills for quality(damage) of skills.
Malphite
Profile Joined December 2012
United States186 Posts
May 11 2013 04:51 GMT
#2932
Can some duo queue with me?? I need to get out of silver 1... been stuck in this dumb division for 2 weeks
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 11 2013 04:56 GMT
#2933
On May 11 2013 13:51 Malphite wrote:
Can some duo queue with me?? I need to get out of silver 1... been stuck in this dumb division for 2 weeks


Aren't you a Champion? How are you Summoning for the League? O_o
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 11 2013 04:57 GMT
#2934
You also get an awesome ice crown over your head. I managed to win the quest as Sejuani despite the fact it was 4v5. We lost, but at least I have my crown!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 11 2013 05:00 GMT
#2935
On May 11 2013 13:57 zer0das wrote:
You also get an awesome ice crown over your head. I managed to win the quest as Sejuani despite the fact it was 4v5. We lost, but at least I have my crown!

You were easily the most fabulous champ in the game, unless there was a Taric.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 11 2013 05:41 GMT
#2936
Wait, you get a crown on top of your character for winning the quest event?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 05:56:58
May 11 2013 05:54 GMT
#2937
Brag + Real question.

I just had the biggest emotional-swing game in months: Dominated lane as lulu (feeding my trist), plus made a few good dragon calls. Somehow got aced under our own mid tower. Then lost another teamfight. Then lost 2 barons. And went down 3 inhibs + 1 nexus tower, straight up CLG style. Finally trist just started slaughtering people and we won in 67 mins.

Which got me to thinking, because we only turned it around after an outstanding teamfight: Lulu ult vs. Sona ult. If both are hit perfectly/nearly perfectly. Which would you prefer?

Edit: More questions. Does shiv's lightning proc lizard elder?
Freeeeeeedom
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 06:03:28
May 11 2013 06:02 GMT
#2938
If anyone is watching NLB right now, this MVP blue vs LGIM #2 is pretty close. Pretty interesting comps with xerath and support lissandra.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 11 2013 06:12 GMT
#2939
On May 11 2013 14:54 cLutZ wrote:
Brag + Real question.

I just had the biggest emotional-swing game in months: Dominated lane as lulu (feeding my trist), plus made a few good dragon calls. Somehow got aced under our own mid tower. Then lost another teamfight. Then lost 2 barons. And went down 3 inhibs + 1 nexus tower, straight up CLG style. Finally trist just started slaughtering people and we won in 67 mins.

Which got me to thinking, because we only turned it around after an outstanding teamfight: Lulu ult vs. Sona ult. If both are hit perfectly/nearly perfectly. Which would you prefer?

Edit: More questions. Does shiv's lightning proc lizard elder?


Depends on team comp really-- you can't really take each ult, you have to look at the kit of the champ overall, and there Lulu kind of wins. Sona is nice, but Lulu has so much utility.

Crescendo is nice because it locks everyone down and lets you drop the damage on them. Wild Growth, used optimally (as in not just saving someone), is basically a shard of true ice aura plus health plus knock up.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
May 11 2013 06:25 GMT
#2940
On May 11 2013 12:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 10:40 Cubu wrote:
On May 11 2013 09:28 TheYango wrote:
Random aside, I think it's funny that Probuilds doesn't have any data on Chinese players when any "serious" solo queue game played by a Chinese player is going to be played on KR server anyway (which they already have data for) and many of these players' KR smurfs are easily known.

Aren't there alot of good players in chinese server? I thought there would be more good players there due to alot of people having experience with dota 1. Kinda like the case with sc2 in kr.

The thing is, China doesn't have one single server. It has a bunch of smaller regional servers, so it's kind of fragmented. A lot of the good players just end up getting KR smurfs one way or another and just playing KR solo queue.

So, how come they don't just have 1 server?
Prev 1 145 146 147 148 149 189 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
19:00
Mid Season Playoffs
SHIN vs Bunny
Cham vs MaNa
SKillous vs TBD
PAPI vs Jumy
Gerald vs Moja
ArT vs TBD
Liquipedia
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16:00
Warm Up Cup #1
uThermal437
SteadfastSC251
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 637
uThermal 437
SteadfastSC 251
IndyStarCraft 159
UpATreeSC 113
BRAT_OK 102
ProTech71
trigger 60
goblin 26
MindelVK 22
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 100
Aegong 65
sas.Sziky 61
scan(afreeca) 29
yabsab 10
IntoTheRainbow 6
Dota 2
Gorgc8634
League of Legends
Grubby3446
Dendi1242
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2787
fl0m1920
pashabiceps475
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu503
Khaldor169
Other Games
summit1g4342
FrodaN1962
Beastyqt629
mouzStarbuck358
KnowMe125
elazer121
Trikslyr84
Mew2King77
Sick57
ZombieGrub34
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta11
• HeavenSC 8
• LUISG 7
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV656
League of Legends
• Jankos2402
• TFBlade1140
• masondota2340
Other Games
• Scarra1338
• imaqtpie882
• Shiphtur265
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 49m
The PondCast
14h 49m
RSL Revival
14h 49m
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs Cham
WardiTV European League
20h 49m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
herO vs SHIN
Reynor vs Cure
WardiTV European League
1d 20h
FEL
1d 20h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.