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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 11 2013 02:08 GMT
#2921
On May 11 2013 10:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
What do you do as Jayce if you back against like a Riven/Jax/Irelia/Nid or some other champ that has a large kill potential post 6 and then they have 2 dorans blades and you only have tear? Farm with your Q as best you can?

Pretty much. Jayce has pretty crazy wave clear with Cannon form QE and Hammer form QW so it's not that hard CS under tower. I mean I realize Tear rush gives you a weak early game, but you just have to play acknowledging this. Just poke from range and if you poke them low enough you can all in them. Also once you get Muramana your power spikes hard mid game.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 11 2013 03:16 GMT
#2922
On May 11 2013 10:40 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:28 TheYango wrote:
Random aside, I think it's funny that Probuilds doesn't have any data on Chinese players when any "serious" solo queue game played by a Chinese player is going to be played on KR server anyway (which they already have data for) and many of these players' KR smurfs are easily known.

Aren't there alot of good players in chinese server? I thought there would be more good players there due to alot of people having experience with dota 1. Kinda like the case with sc2 in kr.

The thing is, China doesn't have one single server. It has a bunch of smaller regional servers, so it's kind of fragmented. A lot of the good players just end up getting KR smurfs one way or another and just playing KR solo queue.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 11 2013 03:32 GMT
#2923
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!
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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
May 11 2013 03:38 GMT
#2924
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 11 2013 03:40 GMT
#2925
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 11 2013 03:41 GMT
#2926
On May 11 2013 12:40 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???

[Ashe/Lissandra/Sejuani] needs to be killed. Kill her.

Reward: A buff icon


As far as I can tell anyway
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
May 11 2013 04:08 GMT
#2927
On May 11 2013 12:41 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 12:40 justiceknight wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:38 dae wrote:
On May 11 2013 12:32 Sufficiency wrote:
wtf. When you play Sej against Ashe you get a quest?!?!?!


Any 2 of Lissandra Ashe and Sejuani can get the quest.


what quest and what reward???

[Ashe/Lissandra/Sejuani] needs to be killed. Kill her.

Reward: A buff icon


As far as I can tell anyway

Yup.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_for_Freljord
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 11 2013 04:20 GMT
#2928
On May 11 2013 09:49 TheYango wrote:
The other thing is that solely for the purpose of sustain, Chalice outperforms ToG. They give the same regen, but until Tear gets heavily stacked, the % mana regen increase of Chalice is more significant than the max mana gain of ToG (plus it gives immediate stats while the mana of ToG doesn't become fully useful until you finish Manamune/Muramana).

ToG is essentially a gp10 item that gives you mana instead of gold. It gives mana at a very aggressive rate (effectively 26 gp10 worth of mana for someone who can stack it on CD, less for someone who uses spells less often), but you do have to realize that it IS still an item that shifts your item timings in the way that a gp10 item does (although obviously more smoothly because of how fast it generates mana).


This is actually cropping up in ARAMs. Compared to when the queue first launched, a greater proportion of players are starting Chalice instead of Tear. The immediate value and stronger sustain of Chalice becomes extremely obvious when you can't port back to the fountain for healing and have to sustain versus withering poke. The trend is strong enough that I've even seen a few mana-hungry ADs start Chalice instead of Tear so they can rush items with more immediate impact.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 11 2013 04:20 GMT
#2929
Winning the Khaz v Rengar quest and getting that 4th evolution point is pretty strong. Khaz is so flexible when he has all his stuff evolved.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 11 2013 04:32 GMT
#2930
Rengar with the head is so much stronger (compared to normal rengar vs. compared to normal khazix).
The +150 leap range is stupid good.

Also, I can't get my Ashe icon, QQ.
Freeeeeeedom
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
May 11 2013 04:32 GMT
#2931
Farm as best you can. If they engage onto you, QEW in ranged form, switch to melee and Q>AA>E them and run back to tower to wait for cooldowns (assuming they're on top of you). If you do it quickly enough and hit the ranged Q (pretty hard at short range), even with tear, you trade pretty evenly with all of them. While you don't have much AD at all, given that you have a tear + consumables and a single dorans/longsword at best, you're effectively trading quantity of skills for quality(damage) of skills.
Malphite
Profile Joined December 2012
United States186 Posts
May 11 2013 04:51 GMT
#2932
Can some duo queue with me?? I need to get out of silver 1... been stuck in this dumb division for 2 weeks
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 11 2013 04:56 GMT
#2933
On May 11 2013 13:51 Malphite wrote:
Can some duo queue with me?? I need to get out of silver 1... been stuck in this dumb division for 2 weeks


Aren't you a Champion? How are you Summoning for the League? O_o
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 11 2013 04:57 GMT
#2934
You also get an awesome ice crown over your head. I managed to win the quest as Sejuani despite the fact it was 4v5. We lost, but at least I have my crown!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 11 2013 05:00 GMT
#2935
On May 11 2013 13:57 zer0das wrote:
You also get an awesome ice crown over your head. I managed to win the quest as Sejuani despite the fact it was 4v5. We lost, but at least I have my crown!

You were easily the most fabulous champ in the game, unless there was a Taric.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 11 2013 05:41 GMT
#2936
Wait, you get a crown on top of your character for winning the quest event?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 05:56:58
May 11 2013 05:54 GMT
#2937
Brag + Real question.

I just had the biggest emotional-swing game in months: Dominated lane as lulu (feeding my trist), plus made a few good dragon calls. Somehow got aced under our own mid tower. Then lost another teamfight. Then lost 2 barons. And went down 3 inhibs + 1 nexus tower, straight up CLG style. Finally trist just started slaughtering people and we won in 67 mins.

Which got me to thinking, because we only turned it around after an outstanding teamfight: Lulu ult vs. Sona ult. If both are hit perfectly/nearly perfectly. Which would you prefer?

Edit: More questions. Does shiv's lightning proc lizard elder?
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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 06:03:28
May 11 2013 06:02 GMT
#2938
If anyone is watching NLB right now, this MVP blue vs LGIM #2 is pretty close. Pretty interesting comps with xerath and support lissandra.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 11 2013 06:12 GMT
#2939
On May 11 2013 14:54 cLutZ wrote:
Brag + Real question.

I just had the biggest emotional-swing game in months: Dominated lane as lulu (feeding my trist), plus made a few good dragon calls. Somehow got aced under our own mid tower. Then lost another teamfight. Then lost 2 barons. And went down 3 inhibs + 1 nexus tower, straight up CLG style. Finally trist just started slaughtering people and we won in 67 mins.

Which got me to thinking, because we only turned it around after an outstanding teamfight: Lulu ult vs. Sona ult. If both are hit perfectly/nearly perfectly. Which would you prefer?

Edit: More questions. Does shiv's lightning proc lizard elder?


Depends on team comp really-- you can't really take each ult, you have to look at the kit of the champ overall, and there Lulu kind of wins. Sona is nice, but Lulu has so much utility.

Crescendo is nice because it locks everyone down and lets you drop the damage on them. Wild Growth, used optimally (as in not just saving someone), is basically a shard of true ice aura plus health plus knock up.

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Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
May 11 2013 06:25 GMT
#2940
On May 11 2013 12:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 10:40 Cubu wrote:
On May 11 2013 09:28 TheYango wrote:
Random aside, I think it's funny that Probuilds doesn't have any data on Chinese players when any "serious" solo queue game played by a Chinese player is going to be played on KR server anyway (which they already have data for) and many of these players' KR smurfs are easily known.

Aren't there alot of good players in chinese server? I thought there would be more good players there due to alot of people having experience with dota 1. Kinda like the case with sc2 in kr.

The thing is, China doesn't have one single server. It has a bunch of smaller regional servers, so it's kind of fragmented. A lot of the good players just end up getting KR smurfs one way or another and just playing KR solo queue.

So, how come they don't just have 1 server?
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