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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 16 2013 01:29 nafta wrote: Not sure if he is worst support.M eye A tries to earn that spot quite hard. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. M eye A not the most impressive LCS performance. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
On April 16 2013 01:13 cascades wrote: What counters Diana mid? My favorite pick against her is Mordekaiser. You farm, harass, and shield (protects agains her harass) at the same time; if she stays out of range of your E when you're near minions, she'll either lose CS to tower later or she'll have to eat your Es while she tanks minions closer to her tower. Morde naturally builds tanky and gets a free shield so her all-in isn't as scary, and you can outfarm or zone her pretty handily barring jungler camping mid. Edit: Morde can't match her roaming presence when it comes to helping ganks due to his lack of CC, but his ability to push lanes very quickly without losing health to harass makes it a lot more expensive for Diana to roam. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:21 ArchAngelSC wrote: You can dodge her Q with W and then you die to ganks/more Q's during the 3 years your W is on CD for. Protip: use E on minions. Also the idea is something like WE on her, W teleport, hit hit Q back off. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:30 Numy wrote: All this talk about counters to Diana seems to be focused solely on 1v1. Surely part of it has to be someone that can match her roaming presence? tf counters everything, there you go. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
What I meant was that after they lost so many matches they would arguably have won with Crumbzz, the gap between them and Curse is too big considering Curse's superweek matches for them to have shots at 1st place. Also I decided to not give a shit and go ranked only since I'm done reaching my "true" placement now, and I get hit with a duoQ of ragers and somebody who has lags for my first game. C'mon, give me better incentive matchmaking!  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:38 wei2coolman wrote: Counters don't really matter anymore, more often than naught, you probably misplayed. Avoiding the problem of bad play by trying to choose a champ with a kit that happens to counter diana does you no favors in terms of getting better. Hm ... Not entirely true. Kassadin is able to completely destroy some casters for example. Oh and speaking of counters, certain AD champions wreck Kassadin. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:30 Numy wrote: All this talk about counters to Diana seems to be focused solely on 1v1. Surely part of it has to be someone that can match her roaming presence? Baby steps man. If you can't even survive her 1v1, then how can you even hope to match her roaming? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:32 bmn wrote: My favorite pick against her is Mordekaiser. You farm, harass, and shield (protects agains her harass) at the same time; if she stays out of range of your E when you're near minions, she'll either lose CS to tower later or she'll have to eat your Es while she tanks minions closer to her tower. Morde naturally builds tanky and gets a free shield so her all-in isn't as scary, and you can outfarm or zone her pretty handily barring jungler camping mid. Edit: Morde can't match her roaming presence when it comes to helping ganks due to his lack of CC, but his ability to push lanes very quickly without losing health to harass makes it a lot more expensive for Diana to roam. As a Mordekaiser player I think it's the opposite. If she lands a Q on you post-6 you will either die or waste ult for nothing. You can't duel Diana 1v1. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
then tell me there's no such thing as a counter or that counters dont matter | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote: play vayne (or another really short range champ) vs cait then tell me there's no such thing as a counter or that counters dont matter Counters exist, but unless you play at the utmost level, your better off learning how to play out the lane. Why do you think a lot of those high elo players got there with like a single champ? They learned to play the bad matchups as well. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote: play vayne (or another really short range champ) vs cait then tell me there's no such thing as a counter or that counters dont matter That's not the point at all. More that lane/1v1 counters might not be the be all and end all someone should look at. There are so many other factors. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote: play vayne (or another really short range champ) vs cait then tell me there's no such thing as a counter or that counters dont matter sivir does well vs cait. lol | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote: play vayne (or another really short range champ) vs cait then tell me there's no such thing as a counter or that counters dont matter When you look at counter charts of win rates champ to champ the best differences are something like 60-40%. That's pretty frigging huge as I'm sure it is for cait vs vayne, but a good vayne will beat someone trying to counterpick as cait who has no idea how to play cait 9 times out of 10. This site gives some insight into lane matchups and it says that many of the hard counters in the game are actually not lane counters. Eg. apparently Cait does really well against Evelynn 63% winrate. I'm just going to go the O'Reilly way and say that you can't explain that. There's too many variables to look at. I just know that I play better on my mains than when I try out Katarina. http://www.leagueofstats.com/champions/51 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 16 2013 03:02 wei2coolman wrote: Counters exist, but unless you play at the utmost level, your better off learning how to play out the lane. Why do you think a lot of those high elo players got there with like a single champ? They learned to play the bad matchups as well. That's usually to about an equal part (or probably even higher) due to the "favored" player not knowing how to play the matchup either. Like, in Graves' days of glory I would sometimes play Cait and the lane was about even usually. Then one day I realized that Cait has an autoattack range and the matchup became easy as fuck, most ez botlane to date. So when you ask people for who counters what... I could tell you that I can win lane with Malz vs Diana any day of the week, against players that are generally 'better' than I am. But when I just tell a dude that never played Malz that he's a counter, he'll pick malz, not know wtf to do and still lose and it didn't help him one bit. And that is why talking about counters is dumb, it's not because they dont exist, it's because they practically don't matter to 95% of LoL's population. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On April 16 2013 02:30 Numy wrote: All this talk about counters to Diana seems to be focused solely on 1v1. Surely part of it has to be someone that can match her roaming presence? If you own Diana mid, she has less chance to go roaming though. | ||
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