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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 12 2013 04:30 GMT
#581
On April 12 2013 13:24 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 13:06 cLutZ wrote:
I do agree that there is simply not enough Strong junglers now.


Strong in what way?

The only currently seen jungler's who have damage that remains relevant the whole game are Xin(assuming you have a damage item like ghostblade), noct(if he gets an ungodly level of farm for a jungler to remain tanky with one or two damage items), and all the new ones who have % damage.

Lategame a lot of the junglers rely a lot more on utility than damage.


Strong in that if the Chicago Bears were a LOL team, I would be comfortable having their jungler pick said champion during a playoff game.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 12 2013 04:31 GMT
#582
You'd be surprised by Volibear and Nasus damage output then... a tanky Vi also has pretty good dps, but she can't reach that with a locket+aegis build though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 12 2013 04:45 GMT
#583
On April 12 2013 13:30 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 13:24 Amui wrote:
On April 12 2013 13:06 cLutZ wrote:
I do agree that there is simply not enough Strong junglers now.


Strong in what way?

The only currently seen jungler's who have damage that remains relevant the whole game are Xin(assuming you have a damage item like ghostblade), noct(if he gets an ungodly level of farm for a jungler to remain tanky with one or two damage items), and all the new ones who have % damage.

Lategame a lot of the junglers rely a lot more on utility than damage.


Strong in that if the Chicago Bears were a LOL team, I would be comfortable having their jungler pick said champion during a playoff game.

refrigerator perry is OP on tank heroes
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 05:02:29
April 12 2013 04:48 GMT
#584
On April 12 2013 12:23 cLutZ wrote:
Riot also said they would make a bunch of the older junglers viable...

Just need to make tiamat super cheap; then voila.

Actually could make tiamat really cheap by removing AD components. And then require bf sword as separate component to make hydra. Holy shit Riot; I think i just fixed single target junglers. Hire me plox.
liftlift > tsm
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
April 12 2013 05:05 GMT
#585
Has the patch actually gone live? My games still say SOTAG give armor and manamune (or whatever its called) does magic damage.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
April 12 2013 05:09 GMT
#586
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 12 2013 05:10 GMT
#587
I like the way current junglers are though >.>
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 12 2013 05:13 GMT
#588
On April 12 2013 14:09 Letmelose wrote:
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.

I think it would be equally irresponsible to go out and inform people haphazardly--bear in mind that because there's no restriction on who's voting, you could potentially have people from other regions voting for "troll" teams in order to disrupt the vote if they know there's something on the line.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2013 05:22 GMT
#589
On April 12 2013 14:13 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:09 Letmelose wrote:
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.

I think it would be equally irresponsible to go out and inform people haphazardly--bear in mind that because there's no restriction on who's voting, you could potentially have people from other regions voting for "troll" teams in order to disrupt the vote if they know there's something on the line.

Either way it's full retard how a slot for a region is decided by all star game.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 05:27:19
April 12 2013 05:25 GMT
#590
On April 12 2013 14:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I like the way current junglers are though >.>


What way is that? Which of Nasus/Voilbear/Jarvan/Xin do you especially love watching?

I don't mean only those are viable I'm just saying that every jungler has to play according to those jungler's rules. 3v1 dives are still super strong, farming is not viable, counterjungling other than buffs is basically unheard of, etc.

SO you CAN pick Hecarim, Amumu, Malphite, or Udyr, but you give up something that you dont with those 4, while gaining little (except Hecarim, he is a beast, just the Meta is too Pre-6 focused for him). Remember when SaintV was talking about the new Jax jungle and Reds were talking about Fiddle and Warwick (heck I'm even ignoring how nerfs have taken out interesting junglers like Olaf, Cho, Vi, and Lee)?

Edit.

My point being there are less viable junglers than S2, because the only clear that is important right now is the first clear.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
April 12 2013 05:33 GMT
#591
On April 12 2013 14:13 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:09 Letmelose wrote:
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.

I think it would be equally irresponsible to go out and inform people haphazardly--bear in mind that because there's no restriction on who's voting, you could potentially have people from other regions voting for "troll" teams in order to disrupt the vote if they know there's something on the line.


More often than not the enemy is usually found within. There's no way to argue the validity of anyone's picks because Riot has not released any statements, and choosing a player based on their merit becomes a matter of choice, not an obligation. Of course even if people are aware of the consequences of their votes they may do what they desire, however it is on them. If they sabotage other regions, it is on them. If they vote in ignorance, the blame should be on Riot. There are measures Riot can take to restrict voting from other regions, but they are either unwilling to do so, or are incompetent.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 12 2013 05:44 GMT
#592
On April 12 2013 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:13 TheYango wrote:
On April 12 2013 14:09 Letmelose wrote:
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.

I think it would be equally irresponsible to go out and inform people haphazardly--bear in mind that because there's no restriction on who's voting, you could potentially have people from other regions voting for "troll" teams in order to disrupt the vote if they know there's something on the line.

Either way it's full retard how a slot for a region is decided by all star game.

Well yeah, of course.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2013 05:54 GMT
#593
On April 12 2013 14:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 12 2013 14:13 TheYango wrote:
On April 12 2013 14:09 Letmelose wrote:
Does anyone know why Riot hasn't released any official statements regarding the issue of handing out an additional qualification spots based on which region wins the All Stars tournament? Why would they open the votes if they plan to inform the ramifications of their votes after much of the player choice has been made? Are they going to reset the results if they do plan to go with their original choice? It seems very unfair on the players to have the spot for by the most important tournament of the year decided by the whims of the masses who aren't even being informed of their responsibilities. It would be almost Blizzard- esque how incompetent Riot ends up looking if they were to run this through.

I think it would be equally irresponsible to go out and inform people haphazardly--bear in mind that because there's no restriction on who's voting, you could potentially have people from other regions voting for "troll" teams in order to disrupt the vote if they know there's something on the line.

Either way it's full retard how a slot for a region is decided by all star game.

Well yeah, of course.

Need to make a wildcard tournament to allow for last slot imo. That'd be pretty exciting.
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 06:31:17
April 12 2013 06:20 GMT
#594
Found a small glitch, barbarian sion cant attack big minions sometimes. Like he just wont attack them unless you walk away and pull the big minion a little bit. Not sure if this is just for this skin, him or other (melee) champs.

I feel like jungle Sion has potential to be pretty strong. his clear is decent, and like Nasus, you can hard-farm his E in the jungle. The problem is he has no gapclose/cc, apart from his stun. I figure rushing maybe a madred into boots/vamp bilgewater might work though, need some more testing.

BORK/furor upgrade are pretty mandatory, I want to fit in a frozen mallet, madred's can definitely be sold off at some point. Also liking Mercurial and maybe Randuin's, the idea is to make yourself really tanky but also with a bunch of slows and stuff to compensate for your kit. If you can avoid getting hard CC"d, you're basically Mundo.

A big upside is that he can solo dragon at 6. in addition, him with madred's + ult can has potential for some really early barons, the heal on the entire team seems strong for that, kind of like the opposite of hec's W.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 07:16:46
April 12 2013 06:26 GMT
#595
Oh man; Westrice going 12-0-8 as jungle Lee Sin; tempted to play the Brind Monk again.

On other note.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3328642
This is actually a pretty neat feature, nice solution to problem; also good way of punishing dodgers.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 07:27:03
April 12 2013 07:25 GMT
#596
So basically it's -repick without the awkwardness of reduced starting gold.

Though TBH since ARAM is pretty casual anyway, they probably could have done reduced starting gold for repicks anyway.

I still think ARAM needs to use the whole champion pool by default rather than only rolling champs you have. ARAM smurfs are too imba the way it is now.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 12 2013 07:29 GMT
#597
On April 12 2013 16:25 TheYango wrote:
So basically it's -repick without the awkwardness of reduced starting gold.

Though TBH since ARAM is pretty casual anyway, they probably could have done reduced starting gold for repicks anyway.

I still think ARAM needs to use the whole champion pool by default rather than only rolling champs you have. ARAM smurfs are too imba the way it is now.


make smurf account

buy sona/ ali

always win aram huehue
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 07:31:03
April 12 2013 07:29 GMT
#598
On April 12 2013 16:25 TheYango wrote:
So basically it's -repick without the awkwardness of reduced starting gold.

Though TBH since ARAM is pretty casual anyway, they probably could have done reduced starting gold for repicks anyway.

I still think ARAM needs to use the whole champion pool by default rather than only rolling champs you have. ARAM smurfs are too imba the way it is now.

I think your first statement qualifies the lack of solution to statement 2.
On April 12 2013 16:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 16:25 TheYango wrote:
So basically it's -repick without the awkwardness of reduced starting gold.

Though TBH since ARAM is pretty casual anyway, they probably could have done reduced starting gold for repicks anyway.

I still think ARAM needs to use the whole champion pool by default rather than only rolling champs you have. ARAM smurfs are too imba the way it is now.


make smurf account

buy sona/ ali

always win aram huehue

sona, nidalee, heimerdinger, jayce, kogmaw, soraka, zigs, gragas.
Pretty much anything with sustain or poke is pretty stupid good on ARAM.
liftlift > tsm
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
April 12 2013 07:36 GMT
#599
Still think Janna is top of Aram but no-one agrees with me. She has a 1-spell long-range insta-waveclear, a shield for the tower and a full team reset heal every minute or so. Who cares about the actual fighting, you are straight up immortal in a 1-lane situation.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 07:40:38
April 12 2013 07:38 GMT
#600
Lux is wonderful for ARAM, AoE shield is crazy good along with perfect waveclear.

I wonder about ohmwrecker for ARAM ...


Btw I think that Twisted Fate is really good for ARAM but no one agrees with me

Oh and don't forget Yi, he's close to my #1 for ARAM
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