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On April 12 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:44 kainzero wrote:
are we talking about competitive TF or pub TF? i was talking about pub TF. in competitive games i would never think about a hero on their own but how they work in conjunction with their team against the enemy's team, and i wouldn't make a blanket statement like TF needs to get ahead with ganks.
also that ipl5 game was played on elise patch, before S3 changes, heh. I don't understand how a skill that preys on the enemy's positioning errors super hard is a *worse* pub skill than in competitive.
because your team can't force enemy positioning errors as easily, or exploit the minor ones. i can't tell you how many times i've seen opportunities open up, i take the chance, and the team doesn't react fast enough.
this has been my general experience playing with TFs. if he falls behind and fails ganks, we have to carry him to where he can become relevant again.
even in the WE vs M5 game, WX/fzzf crushed bot lane and genja fell behind even further once he picked up the 3rd doran's, on a tristana who had one of the weakest midgames in S2. they carried that advantage to take top tower, establishing more map control for TF. the big TF play in that game in the midgame was catching Diana, which forced the next fight and allowed him to catch up. they get a 3-2 off that engage, then get a free 2-0 at the dragon that was because tristana walked too close and just got stunned. that allowed TF to get ahead or at least stay relevant in the game.
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On April 12 2013 04:46 onlywonderboy wrote:The Reddit thread is QQ-ing so hard about the price increases. I can only imagine how bad it is on the official Riot forums.
I don't even understand why you would QQ about this. They're telling you right now which skins are about to cost more so if you want them at 975 RP buy them now. Riot announced that they were going to have a 1350 RP tier awhile ago for semi-legendaries like Dragon Tamer Lulu and Mecha Kha'Zix. Kind of makes sense to move some of these skins that are higher quality than the other 975 RP skins to 1350 RP. It was inconsistent that a skin like Tyrant Swain cost less than Mecha Kha'Zix.
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On April 12 2013 04:47 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:On April 12 2013 02:44 kainzero wrote:
are we talking about competitive TF or pub TF? i was talking about pub TF. in competitive games i would never think about a hero on their own but how they work in conjunction with their team against the enemy's team, and i wouldn't make a blanket statement like TF needs to get ahead with ganks.
also that ipl5 game was played on elise patch, before S3 changes, heh. I don't understand how a skill that preys on the enemy's positioning errors super hard is a *worse* pub skill than in competitive. this has been my general experience playing with TFs. if he falls behind and fails ganks, we have to carry him to where he can become relevant again.
Pretty much true for any other mid as well though..?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 12 2013 04:47 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:On April 12 2013 02:44 kainzero wrote:
are we talking about competitive TF or pub TF? i was talking about pub TF. in competitive games i would never think about a hero on their own but how they work in conjunction with their team against the enemy's team, and i wouldn't make a blanket statement like TF needs to get ahead with ganks.
also that ipl5 game was played on elise patch, before S3 changes, heh. I don't understand how a skill that preys on the enemy's positioning errors super hard is a *worse* pub skill than in competitive. because your team can't force enemy positioning errors as easily, or exploit the minor ones. i can't tell you how many times i've seen opportunities open up, i take the chance, and the team doesn't react fast enough.
While you're less able to make the super big team-following-me plays in solo queue due to communication issues, the same is true for your opponent's counterplays. You're now more able to make solo-based plays that your opponents cannot respond to as well. On the scale of solo plays to team plays, you're thinking too far into the extreme team based plays. There's still everything else on that spectrum that is just a potent, and arguably even more potent since a lot of it relies on your opponent's responsiveness.
If you find your team is incapable on following up on certain plays, then don't make them and focus on something they can follow up on or don't need to. And since this is not competitive play, there are going to be more and more mistakes you can take advantage of.
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United States23745 Posts
On April 12 2013 04:51 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:46 onlywonderboy wrote:The Reddit thread is QQ-ing so hard about the price increases. I can only imagine how bad it is on the official Riot forums. I don't even understand why you would QQ about this. They're telling you right now which skins are about to cost more so if you want them at 975 RP buy them now. Riot announced that they were going to have a 1350 RP tier awhile ago for semi-legendaries like Dragon Tamer Lulu and Mecha Kha'Zix. Kind of makes sense to move some of these skins that are higher quality than the other 975 RP skins to 1350 RP. It was inconsistent that a skin like Tyrant Swain cost less than Mecha Kha'Zix.
"Because it's a money grab to force people to buy the skins when they are cheaper!" and "It's not fair to the people that want them in the future"
Some people T_T
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Even RP goes through inflation.
On April 12 2013 04:31 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 22:50 sylverfyre wrote:
I wish NA could vote for a coach :/
I wish NA coaches had any amount of prominence at all. Where do I sign up?
You must really want NA to lose.
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On April 12 2013 04:52 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:47 kainzero wrote:On April 12 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:On April 12 2013 02:44 kainzero wrote:
are we talking about competitive TF or pub TF? i was talking about pub TF. in competitive games i would never think about a hero on their own but how they work in conjunction with their team against the enemy's team, and i wouldn't make a blanket statement like TF needs to get ahead with ganks.
also that ipl5 game was played on elise patch, before S3 changes, heh. I don't understand how a skill that preys on the enemy's positioning errors super hard is a *worse* pub skill than in competitive. this has been my general experience playing with TFs. if he falls behind and fails ganks, we have to carry him to where he can become relevant again. Pretty much true for any other mid as well though..?
Except LeBlanc. She's never relevant late game. Hehehe
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On April 12 2013 04:41 Amui wrote:Good news, I have FB irelia, battlecast urgot and tyrant swain already. Don't think I'd get any other ones except maybe warring kingdoms.
Blackthorn Morgana and Tyrant Swain were on sale last January, but I didn't have RP at that time. I have now (somebody gifted me by mistake) and thought I'd wait till they go on sale again... oh well. I guess I'll still wait for the next sale, since it'll probably be lower than 975 RP at that time. Just be patient.
(Also eyes on Woad Ashe, but no way I buy that one out of a sale either.)
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79 skins decrease in price, 18 increase, and everybody's QQing.
Honestly, all the skins they're moving up to 1350 are really good skins, they deserve a higher price point compared to others.
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On April 12 2013 04:51 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:46 onlywonderboy wrote:The Reddit thread is QQ-ing so hard about the price increases. I can only imagine how bad it is on the official Riot forums. I don't even understand why you would QQ about this. They're telling you right now which skins are about to cost more so if you want them at 975 RP buy them now. Riot announced that they were going to have a 1350 RP tier awhile ago for semi-legendaries like Dragon Tamer Lulu and Mecha Kha'Zix. Kind of makes sense to move some of these skins that are higher quality than the other 975 RP skins to 1350 RP. It was inconsistent that a skin like Tyrant Swain cost less than Mecha Kha'Zix.
I was always confused why the only 2 skins in the 1350 tier didn't have a backing animation, and both came out after this kinda thing was standard on 975 skins, but I guess with seeing the skins surrounding it it makes more sense now, that said, Frostblade Irelia makes no sense to me but w/e.
also really surprised Galio legendary isn't going to 1350 (mostly because I kinda want to start playing Galio a lot) it's really not on the level of what is now a legendary
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On April 12 2013 04:59 Cheap0 wrote:
79 skins decrease in price, 18 increase, and everybody's QQing.
Honestly, all the skins they're moving up to 1350 are really good skins, they deserve a higher price point compared to others.
Yeah, aside from a few outliers I think most of the "new" 1350 skins are worth the price. With Mecha Kha and Dragon Trainer Lulu it was only a matter of time before they officially made a statement about what constitutes a 1350 skin.
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IMO whats making everyone complain about this is that they're making CURRENT skins go up in price.
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On April 12 2013 04:41 Amui wrote:Good news, I have FB irelia, battlecast urgot and tyrant swain already. Don't think I'd get any other ones except maybe warring kingdoms.
I got frostblade irelia and tyrant swain on sale too ^^
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On April 12 2013 05:04 Dusty wrote:
IMO whats making everyone complain about this is that they're making CURRENT skins go up in price.
I realize why they are complaining, I just don't agree with it. As a company Riot is within their right to adjust the price of their product as they see fit. Like I said, most of the skins they are increasing are probably worth the higher price. No one is entitled to only pay 975 for a skin even if it's already released.
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On April 12 2013 04:02 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:49 AsmodeusXI wrote:On April 12 2013 03:35 Alaric wrote:On April 12 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:On April 12 2013 02:44 kainzero wrote:
are we talking about competitive TF or pub TF? i was talking about pub TF. in competitive games i would never think about a hero on their own but how they work in conjunction with their team against the enemy's team, and i wouldn't make a blanket statement like TF needs to get ahead with ganks.
also that ipl5 game was played on elise patch, before S3 changes, heh. I don't understand how a skill that preys on the enemy's positioning errors super hard is a *worse* pub skill than in competitive. Because pubs are also worse at judging what is a positioning error. "Oh hey Kha'Zix's alone, I can ult and 1v1 him! ... damn, my combo didn't 100-0 him and I died, but I'll get him next time he goes alone!" The lesson of this post is "Kha'Zix is never out of position in a 1v1." Congrats, you've now made the single greatest contribution to GD you're ever going to make. This is like your Curse thread being the highest upvoted piece of TL content on r/Leagueoflegends all over again.
OUCH MY HEART OWB.
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On April 12 2013 05:04 Dusty wrote:
IMO whats making everyone complain about this is that they're making CURRENT skins go up in price.
It's not like they don't have 2 weeks to buy the skins before they go up in price -_-
tbh I expected more people to QQ about their skins that they already owned become cheaper and thus "less exclusive"
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On April 12 2013 04:59 Cheap0 wrote:
79 skins decrease in price, 18 increase, and everybody's QQing.
Honestly, all the skins they're moving up to 1350 are really good skins, they deserve a higher price point compared to others.
It's because it makes no sense at all to increase the price of skins already released. There's like 0 logic in that. Making them cheaper makes sense because that will make people want to buy them. As an example, do you think the community would enjoy it if they suddenly decided to make Jarvan cost 6300 IP? There's a reason champion prices are only decreasing.
I guess the price increase works in the "better buy it now or it'll cost more later on" sense but that's kind of scummy
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Good guy Neo getting some exposure!
na.lolesports.com/season3/split1/articles/na-lcs-week-9-preview
P.S. Where did "Good guy" start? Was it TOO and Dyrus when they duoed and streamed?
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On April 12 2013 05:04 Dusty wrote:
IMO whats making everyone complain about this is that they're making CURRENT skins go up in price.
And if they didn't, you'd get "OMG why is the new TF skin 1350 when Tyrant Swain is just as good but only 975?!?!?!?"
Can't win, might as well do what makes the most sense in the long run.
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Riot fixed the shift-tab thing in the login interface.
Rejoice people with more than one account!
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