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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
April 26 2013 18:37 GMT
#3741
On April 27 2013 03:33 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 03:01 Alaric wrote:
Says they are considering removing the cast time (or allowing to cast while moving) of sivir's ult
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases.

What about gp's e?


Plis. :'(
Retvrn to Forvms
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 26 2013 18:38 GMT
#3742
It's not an ult. :[
(And he's not Sivir.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 26 2013 18:45 GMT
#3743
On April 27 2013 03:32 Schnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 03:01 Alaric wrote:
Says they are considering removing the cast time (or allowing to cast while moving) of sivir's ult
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases.

She needs a quick pause to gather her breath so that she can shout from the top of her lungs, I guess. Maybe if they remove the cast time they will also lower the volume of the shout becoming more of a quick cheer? :D

That doesn't sound like it would inspire her allies. Sivir ult nerf confirmed.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 26 2013 18:50 GMT
#3744
On April 27 2013 03:33 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 03:01 Alaric wrote:
Says they are considering removing the cast time (or allowing to cast while moving) of sivir's ult
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases.

What about gp's e?

They should just allow his W to cancel the animation of his E for some top level micro
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
April 26 2013 18:50 GMT
#3745
On April 27 2013 02:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 01:08 Alzadar wrote:I have to agree, she doesn't lose many (any?) lanes and she trashes a lot of people.

What's your build? I always rush Hydra and then just build whatever defense feels right (Bulwark, FH, Mallet) until I feel I need LW.

She has some really bad lanes if she doesn't pull ahead early (Shen, Malphite, etc), but otherwise her matchups are either good (Vlad, Nidalee, Jayce, Garen, etc.) or skill matchups (Darius, Jax). Not really that great at all in 2v1s, so you probably won't see her in LCS and whatnot.

Hydra's in general a luxury item on her. I've started going for it over BT nowadays, but in general Brut+LW (and your full armpen runepage) are extremely important goals, given people inevitably stack armor against you top lane/in general, which gives you more traction in teamfights as you can explode someone, generally the ADC (it's hard to leverage Hydra unless they're all close together from something like a full team Shy ulti, for instance).

Plus if you're still in the lane phase, Hydra isn't the best for lane control unless you're hard pushing.


I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade.
I got nothin'...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 26 2013 18:52 GMT
#3746
Even Panth loses early level trades with Darius, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 26 2013 18:56 GMT
#3747
On April 27 2013 03:52 Alaric wrote:
Even Panth loses early level trades with Darius, so...

Only until level 3.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 26 2013 19:11 GMT
#3748
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#3749
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

Or she's pmsing, and you're running away?
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#3750
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

Or she's pmsing, and you're running away?


Quality posts, guys.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
April 26 2013 19:26 GMT
#3751
On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

Or she's pmsing, and you're running away?

Where is the trail?
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 19:29:41
April 26 2013 19:27 GMT
#3752
On April 27 2013 03:50 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 02:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On April 27 2013 01:08 Alzadar wrote:I have to agree, she doesn't lose many (any?) lanes and she trashes a lot of people.

What's your build? I always rush Hydra and then just build whatever defense feels right (Bulwark, FH, Mallet) until I feel I need LW.

She has some really bad lanes if she doesn't pull ahead early (Shen, Malphite, etc), but otherwise her matchups are either good (Vlad, Nidalee, Jayce, Garen, etc.) or skill matchups (Darius, Jax). Not really that great at all in 2v1s, so you probably won't see her in LCS and whatnot.

Hydra's in general a luxury item on her. I've started going for it over BT nowadays, but in general Brut+LW (and your full armpen runepage) are extremely important goals, given people inevitably stack armor against you top lane/in general, which gives you more traction in teamfights as you can explode someone, generally the ADC (it's hard to leverage Hydra unless they're all close together from something like a full team Shy ulti, for instance).

Plus if you're still in the lane phase, Hydra isn't the best for lane control unless you're hard pushing.


I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade.

I've only played vs Darius as Fiora once, went 4-0 in lane actually. Ganks of course are wonderful if you can get them because Darius is free to them and pushes vs Fiora automatically. Apart from that, QEW hit hit Q on a distant minion seems to function quite well after lvl 4. At lvl 2 you do outtrade him pretty heavily with QW hit Q hit. At the early levels your regen is what allows you to gain an advantage for the later levels. If you meet lvl 6 at the same time / after him, you probably lose. If you gain a health / farm advantage / hit 6 before him, you should be able to allin him. Especially as you do your initial burst of damage faster than Darius does and especially if you Riposte his W. Then you can ult while your ignite ticks him down before he gets to ult you. Still, ganks are the best idea.



back to 6300 IP; jumpy assassin that's skill-based, can make plays, can carry and can stomp lanes. It's a Diana non-brainer?


Speaking of Diana, she's the bane of Fiora it feels. her passive doesn't stack on shield, g.g.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 26 2013 19:29 GMT
#3753
On April 27 2013 04:26 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

Or she's pmsing, and you're running away?

Where is the trail?

singed stole it
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 26 2013 19:34 GMT
#3754
On April 27 2013 04:26 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote:
I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o
Oh riot.

Or she's pmsing, and you're running away?

Where is the trail?

Only talon can see the blood trail, ww can smell it.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 20:43:17
April 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#3755
On April 27 2013 01:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
What runes/masteries and skill order? Also summoners?

I bought her the other day and played her once, realizing I had no clue what I was doing.

Do you bring her mid or top?

Full on ArmPen runes. You don't want AD at all on her given her W at level 1 is +15 AD (free fortitude pot worth of AD), so rune-wise you want full armpen. It also allows her to scale her damage much more effectively since brut+LW are top choices on her, and her level 6 burst is as much physical spell damage as it is pure AAs (her R's base damage at level 11 and 16 are...high, even without any AD). Beyond that, standard top laner runes (so flat armor and flat/scaling MR). You could maybe make use of Vamp runes, but I really wouldn't recommend it; Fiora depends on her early game damage, and running full armpen runes allow you to 100-0 pretty much everyone at level 2-4ish really damn fast. I often go 21-9-0 masteries on her, though you can customize the masteries yourself.

As for summoners, Flash. I've seen people run Ghost, which is viable, but flash is just flash (alot easier to close in on that Ashe from long range with Flash+Q then Ghost+Q, and she's already sticky as hell with double Q and R). The last summoner is usually ignite (much more kill potential), but exhaust is also viable. You can use those summoners during her R, so it's preference (ignite for kill potential, exhaust to cripple a carry if you don't feel you can kill them outright).

As for her skill order: very much dependent on where you're playing her, and who you're playing her against. R first obv, but Q, W, and E can all be maxed depending on the situation.

If you play her mid, you'll generally max Q first given most mids are ranged and bursty. Q max thus allows you to close much more often (and has pretty good burst damage on top of it), and you're generally aren't as concerned about range AA harass. If you're up against a heavy AA harass lane (or a lane such as Jax which relies on AAs extensively), W max offers significant retaliatory burst damage (when maxed first; plus it's magic so it gets around the inevitable armor stack), free AD, and a lower CD so your prolonged fight is much more effective. Works well against champions like an Teemo, or Jayce (though Q max versus these champions). E is much more situational, but there are situations where maxing it first (like versus Darius) can be strong. Again, matchup dependent.

You can play her top or mid; she has nothing but great mid matchups, but it's harder to take strong control of the lane given the shorter length of it, and her push is comparatively weak (unless she gets Tiamats/Hydra). Her top matchups are more variable, but she can dominate much harder (given the longer length of the lane, which allows her chase+stick to do wonders), and push is discouraged top given susceptibility to jungle ganks.

On April 27 2013 03:50 YouGotNothin wrote:
I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade.

You crush him early (as Fiora generally does), so gaining an early level 2-4 advantage is critical. He has to use his Q to trade early on due to Riposte, and using W to block his W's additional damage helps trades immensely, if not the cripple effect even later on; Your E offers you the ability to escape (as does your Q, if minions allow you to). But in general, you can just go all in on him early; his Q's damage falls dramatically if you're in melee/haft range (versus axe blade range), and your E lasts longer then his cripple (and pretty much negates its effects altogether if you max it first or second). The Darius vs. Fiora matchup is hyper-snowbally. The first one to get a kill or an advantage will gain a tremendous edge in lane (the one ahead will flat out deny the other), so jungle pressure is very critical in this matchup.

Really, just don't max her Q in it; W or E max is much more effective in that matchup (like how W max is really effective vs Jax).

On April 27 2013 04:27 Shikyo wrote:
I've only played vs Darius as Fiora once, went 4-0 in lane actually. Ganks of course are wonderful if you can get them because Darius is free to them and pushes vs Fiora automatically. Apart from that, QEW hit hit Q on a distant minion seems to function quite well after lvl 4. At lvl 2 you do outtrade him pretty heavily with QW hit Q hit. At the early levels your regen is what allows you to gain an advantage for the later levels. If you meet lvl 6 at the same time / after him, you probably lose. If you gain a health / farm advantage / hit 6 before him, you should be able to allin him. Especially as you do your initial burst of damage faster than Darius does and especially if you Riposte his W. Then you can ult while your ignite ticks him down before he gets to ult you. Still, ganks are the best idea.

Pretty much, yeah. The lane is dependent on jungler ganks (Fiora top is ruined by constant jungle pressure unless she's already ahead), but Fiora pre-6 beats him pretty heavily, and you want to leverage it into a level 6+ advantage (like a number of skill-based/hard matchups).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 26 2013 19:52 GMT
#3756
Since I counted them up but posted them into the EU LCS thread:

EU LCS had 61/112 games won by blue side (54%)
NA LCS had 66/112 games won by blue side (59%)

LCS is a good league to do these stats from, since all teams play on both sides an equal number of times. (As opposed to many tournies which give the top seed blue side, making it hard to determine if blue side is imbalanced or just had the stronger team)

Keep in mind that if there is a large disparity in skill level, the imbalance will appear to be less in the stats, since if team A always beats team B regardless of which side they get, the stats will appear 50-50 blue/purple.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 20:20:16
April 26 2013 20:19 GMT
#3757
Ziggs, I think, has fantastic laning and little reason to be on a team late-game. I'd like to look at the second half of that.
from that morello roundup thing + Show Spoiler +
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/24067-the-morello-roundup-zenonthestoic-on-sejuani-and

What. ziggs has a really good late game with his tower damage and ability to dish out a hell of a lot of damage.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 26 2013 20:24 GMT
#3758
There is no "trail" during PMS you noobs.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
April 26 2013 20:24 GMT
#3759
I'm back in the U.S., get hype. Although I realized that Own3d doesn't exist anymore and I have to set up a new streaming account on Twitch and I'm really tired after that long flight.

Also, I'm gonna be really really bad at video games, so there's that...
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 26 2013 20:28 GMT
#3760
YAY YOURE BACK! Its ok we still love the shit out of you <3
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
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