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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Plis. :'( | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
(And he's not Sivir.) | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 27 2013 03:32 Schnake wrote: She needs a quick pause to gather her breath so that she can shout from the top of her lungs, I guess. Maybe if they remove the cast time they will also lower the volume of the shout becoming more of a quick cheer? :D That doesn't sound like it would inspire her allies. Sivir ult nerf confirmed. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
They should just allow his W to cancel the animation of his E for some top level micro | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On April 27 2013 02:49 Lord Tolkien wrote: She has some really bad lanes if she doesn't pull ahead early (Shen, Malphite, etc), but otherwise her matchups are either good (Vlad, Nidalee, Jayce, Garen, etc.) or skill matchups (Darius, Jax). Not really that great at all in 2v1s, so you probably won't see her in LCS and whatnot. Hydra's in general a luxury item on her. I've started going for it over BT nowadays, but in general Brut+LW (and your full armpen runepage) are extremely important goals, given people inevitably stack armor against you top lane/in general, which gives you more traction in teamfights as you can explode someone, generally the ADC (it's hard to leverage Hydra unless they're all close together from something like a full team Shy ulti, for instance). Plus if you're still in the lane phase, Hydra isn't the best for lane control unless you're hard pushing. I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 27 2013 03:52 Alaric wrote: Even Panth loses early level trades with Darius, so... Only until level 3. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Oh riot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote: I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o Oh riot. Or she's pmsing, and you're running away? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 27 2013 04:11 BlackPaladin wrote: I just realized sivir is essentially a female in a loin cloth and inspires you to run faster, perhaps to chase after her? :o Oh riot. On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote: Or she's pmsing, and you're running away? Quality posts, guys. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On April 27 2013 04:16 wei2coolman wrote: Or she's pmsing, and you're running away? Where is the trail? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 27 2013 03:50 YouGotNothin wrote: I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade. I've only played vs Darius as Fiora once, went 4-0 in lane actually. Ganks of course are wonderful if you can get them because Darius is free to them and pushes vs Fiora automatically. Apart from that, QEW hit hit Q on a distant minion seems to function quite well after lvl 4. At lvl 2 you do outtrade him pretty heavily with QW hit Q hit. At the early levels your regen is what allows you to gain an advantage for the later levels. If you meet lvl 6 at the same time / after him, you probably lose. If you gain a health / farm advantage / hit 6 before him, you should be able to allin him. Especially as you do your initial burst of damage faster than Darius does and especially if you Riposte his W. Then you can ult while your ignite ticks him down before he gets to ult you. Still, ganks are the best idea. back to 6300 IP; jumpy assassin that's skill-based, can make plays, can carry and can stomp lanes. It's a Diana non-brainer? Speaking of Diana, she's the bane of Fiora it feels. her passive doesn't stack on shield, g.g. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
singed stole it | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Only talon can see the blood trail, ww can smell it. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: What runes/masteries and skill order? Also summoners? I bought her the other day and played her once, realizing I had no clue what I was doing. Do you bring her mid or top? Full on ArmPen runes. You don't want AD at all on her given her W at level 1 is +15 AD (free fortitude pot worth of AD), so rune-wise you want full armpen. It also allows her to scale her damage much more effectively since brut+LW are top choices on her, and her level 6 burst is as much physical spell damage as it is pure AAs (her R's base damage at level 11 and 16 are...high, even without any AD). Beyond that, standard top laner runes (so flat armor and flat/scaling MR). You could maybe make use of Vamp runes, but I really wouldn't recommend it; Fiora depends on her early game damage, and running full armpen runes allow you to 100-0 pretty much everyone at level 2-4ish really damn fast. I often go 21-9-0 masteries on her, though you can customize the masteries yourself. As for summoners, Flash. I've seen people run Ghost, which is viable, but flash is just flash (alot easier to close in on that Ashe from long range with Flash+Q then Ghost+Q, and she's already sticky as hell with double Q and R). The last summoner is usually ignite (much more kill potential), but exhaust is also viable. You can use those summoners during her R, so it's preference (ignite for kill potential, exhaust to cripple a carry if you don't feel you can kill them outright). As for her skill order: very much dependent on where you're playing her, and who you're playing her against. R first obv, but Q, W, and E can all be maxed depending on the situation. If you play her mid, you'll generally max Q first given most mids are ranged and bursty. Q max thus allows you to close much more often (and has pretty good burst damage on top of it), and you're generally aren't as concerned about range AA harass. If you're up against a heavy AA harass lane (or a lane such as Jax which relies on AAs extensively), W max offers significant retaliatory burst damage (when maxed first; plus it's magic so it gets around the inevitable armor stack), free AD, and a lower CD so your prolonged fight is much more effective. Works well against champions like an Teemo, or Jayce (though Q max versus these champions). E is much more situational, but there are situations where maxing it first (like versus Darius) can be strong. Again, matchup dependent. You can play her top or mid; she has nothing but great mid matchups, but it's harder to take strong control of the lane given the shorter length of it, and her push is comparatively weak (unless she gets Tiamats/Hydra). Her top matchups are more variable, but she can dominate much harder (given the longer length of the lane, which allows her chase+stick to do wonders), and push is discouraged top given susceptibility to jungle ganks. On April 27 2013 03:50 YouGotNothin wrote: I used to play her quite a bit and was doing a vamp->brut->Bork build that worked pretty well, maybe I will try Hydra again. I agree that Jax can be a skill matchup but I can not figure out how to win a Darius lane, you just can't get near that guy without making a really bad trade. You crush him early (as Fiora generally does), so gaining an early level 2-4 advantage is critical. He has to use his Q to trade early on due to Riposte, and using W to block his W's additional damage helps trades immensely, if not the cripple effect even later on; Your E offers you the ability to escape (as does your Q, if minions allow you to). But in general, you can just go all in on him early; his Q's damage falls dramatically if you're in melee/haft range (versus axe blade range), and your E lasts longer then his cripple (and pretty much negates its effects altogether if you max it first or second). The Darius vs. Fiora matchup is hyper-snowbally. The first one to get a kill or an advantage will gain a tremendous edge in lane (the one ahead will flat out deny the other), so jungle pressure is very critical in this matchup. Really, just don't max her Q in it; W or E max is much more effective in that matchup (like how W max is really effective vs Jax). On April 27 2013 04:27 Shikyo wrote: I've only played vs Darius as Fiora once, went 4-0 in lane actually. Ganks of course are wonderful if you can get them because Darius is free to them and pushes vs Fiora automatically. Apart from that, QEW hit hit Q on a distant minion seems to function quite well after lvl 4. At lvl 2 you do outtrade him pretty heavily with QW hit Q hit. At the early levels your regen is what allows you to gain an advantage for the later levels. If you meet lvl 6 at the same time / after him, you probably lose. If you gain a health / farm advantage / hit 6 before him, you should be able to allin him. Especially as you do your initial burst of damage faster than Darius does and especially if you Riposte his W. Then you can ult while your ignite ticks him down before he gets to ult you. Still, ganks are the best idea. Pretty much, yeah. The lane is dependent on jungler ganks (Fiora top is ruined by constant jungle pressure unless she's already ahead), but Fiora pre-6 beats him pretty heavily, and you want to leverage it into a level 6+ advantage (like a number of skill-based/hard matchups). | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
EU LCS had 61/112 games won by blue side (54%) NA LCS had 66/112 games won by blue side (59%) LCS is a good league to do these stats from, since all teams play on both sides an equal number of times. (As opposed to many tournies which give the top seed blue side, making it hard to determine if blue side is imbalanced or just had the stronger team) Keep in mind that if there is a large disparity in skill level, the imbalance will appear to be less in the stats, since if team A always beats team B regardless of which side they get, the stats will appear 50-50 blue/purple. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
Ziggs, I think, has fantastic laning and little reason to be on a team late-game. I'd like to look at the second half of that. from that morello roundup thing + Show Spoiler +http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/24067-the-morello-roundup-zenonthestoic-on-sejuani-and What. ziggs has a really good late game with his tower damage and ability to dish out a hell of a lot of damage. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
Also, I'm gonna be really really bad at video games, so there's that... | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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