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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 27 2013 00:02 Shikyo wrote: Fiora is seriously amazing. I hope they don't nerf her so I can gain freelo I have to agree, she doesn't lose many (any?) lanes and she trashes a lot of people. What's your build? I always rush Hydra and then just build whatever defense feels right (Bulwark, FH, Mallet) until I feel I need LW. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On April 27 2013 00:02 Shikyo wrote: Fiora is seriously amazing. I hope they don't nerf her so I can gain freelo i enjoy playing her but she's really bad ;-; I died to a half hp annie before when i ganked her. her E did more damage to me than her spells lol. she can win some lanes but then just get trashed if she isn't extremely fed. even then, she's hit or miss depending how good the people you are playing are | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:08 Alzadar wrote: I have to agree, she doesn't lose many (any?) lanes and she trashes a lot of people. What's your build? I always rush Hydra and then just build whatever defense feels right (Bulwark, FH, Mallet) until I feel I need LW. Build's at an experimental level. Generally Ravenous Hydra asap and then Brutalizer / Last Whisper, preferably both. Games haven't really lasted until the lategame with her but my current theory on her best 2 survivability items would be Spirit Visage + Iceborn Gauntlet. Logic there's obvious but it has to do with a combination of keeping them in place for the 3 seconds of aspd buff, armor and mres synergizing with regen, and improving said regen from passive and hydra + lifesteal. 6-0 with 7.5 KDA currently and every lane's impossible to lose. Harrass under tower and regen to full all day. Her reset ganking and cleaning up especially with blue buff is also Kha'Zix level but her laning is 100 times stronger. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 27 2013 00:24 Alzadar wrote: Is there something that would make Nunu particularly susceptible to ganks? He doesn't push much, has a huge burst heal and is probably one of the best candidates for double killing people for trying to kill him. IMO no. Alaric has some rather decent points, but you also need to realize your lane opponent should always be pretty low, and always be slowed. On top of that, you play nunu top with the expectation that you will be ganked. That is the point of nunu top, to get ganked, and draw attention. Then you go to midgame giving your bro's bloodboil and with the opposing laner useless. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:18 cLutZ wrote: IMO no. Alaric has some rather decent points, but you also need to realize your lane opponent should always be pretty low, and always be slowed. On top of that, you play nunu top with the expectation that you will be ganked. That is the point of nunu top, to get ganked, and draw attention. Then you go to midgame giving your bro's bloodboil and with the opposing laner useless. The fact that Nunu needs to melee minions to get passive stacks and to consume, of course. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:18 cLutZ wrote: IMO no. Alaric has some rather decent points, but you also need to realize your lane opponent should always be pretty low, and always be slowed. On top of that, you play nunu top with the expectation that you will be ganked. That is the point of nunu top, to get ganked, and draw attention. Then you go to midgame giving your bro's bloodboil and with the opposing laner useless. And the opposing jungler being useless/squishy too if he tries to camp and fails. I find that nunu is especially hard to gank because bloodboil plus snowball means he can run away and so if he engages, it's because he can kill you (plus it's a 1v1 because your top laner is almost dead). I found that to deal with a solo top nunu, you have to camp their bottom lane. That plus a mid with decent clear should be enough to get you past the nunu op phase and swing the game around. But as for top, unless he messed up and doesn't ward properly or something, I say he's an immovable object. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:31 KissBlade wrote: Fiora is my Win Lane, Lose game hero. Unless I have someone like Sona to lock them down, it becomes pretty tough late game for me. My usual is Brutalizer => Bloodthirster or Ravenous (depends on our comp) => Last Whisper => GA w/ defense boots of choice. Eve for me, except it's more like, leave lane and gank and win other lanes, lose game. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:15 Shikyo wrote: Build's at an experimental level. Generally Ravenous Hydra asap and then Brutalizer / Last Whisper, preferably both. Games haven't really lasted until the lategame with her but my current theory on her best 2 survivability items would be Spirit Visage + Iceborn Gauntlet. Logic there's obvious but it has to do with a combination of keeping them in place for the 3 seconds of aspd buff, armor and mres synergizing with regen, and improving said regen from passive and hydra + lifesteal. 6-0 with 7.5 KDA currently and every lane's impossible to lose. Harrass under tower and regen to full all day. Her reset ganking and cleaning up especially with blue buff is also Kha'Zix level but her laning is 100 times stronger. What runes/masteries and skill order? Also summoners? I bought her the other day and played her once, realizing I had no clue what I was doing. Do you bring her mid or top? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:37 rackdude wrote: And the opposing jungler being useless/squishy too if he tries to camp and fails. I find that nunu is especially hard to gank because bloodboil plus snowball means he can run away and so if he engages, it's because he can kill you (plus it's a 1v1 because your top laner is almost dead). I found that to deal with a solo top nunu, you have to camp their bottom lane. That plus a mid with decent clear should be enough to get you past the nunu op phase and swing the game around. But as for top, unless he messed up and doesn't ward properly or something, I say he's an immovable object. And the other thing, its not like as Nunu top you are ever like, "Damn I really need that last hit" or "Damn I don't want to buy wards." You can start pretty much whatever you want. And then on your first back you can pretty much get as many wards as you want, etc. Its like the opposite of a Zed or Jax where you want to be investing in becoming relevant, cus you are already relevant, and eventually you'll be donating farm anyways (unless you are crazy/bad and buy a tiamat). | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 27 2013 02:08 57 Corvette wrote: Well I fucked up real bad, taking a 2 month break from League (as well as all other games) to get back on track. See you guys mid-late June if I ever come back. How many courses? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Nunu's hard to gank if you give him time after coming back to lane because he should never be low on HP (meaning you can't for him to get worn down then gank when you can burst him) while your laner will slowly drop, depending on his sustain. The best time to gank Nunu is either at level 2 with a strong laner a la Jarvan/Xin/Riven and all-in him to at least shove him out of lane, or early after he came back to lane, esp. if you manage to make it push your way, when both laners are up (if you're early enough you can also abuse Consume's cd by having your laner bait it, and engage again before it's back up). | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
3/7, nearly 4 | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Yikes. I've been there too... I'll be taking 6 courses next semester. If you need someone to talk to ^ | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 27 2013 01:08 Alzadar wrote:I have to agree, she doesn't lose many (any?) lanes and she trashes a lot of people. What's your build? I always rush Hydra and then just build whatever defense feels right (Bulwark, FH, Mallet) until I feel I need LW. She has some really bad lanes if she doesn't pull ahead early (Shen, Malphite, etc), but otherwise her matchups are either good (Vlad, Nidalee, Jayce, Garen, etc.) or skill matchups (Darius, Jax). Not really that great at all in 2v1s, so you probably won't see her in LCS and whatnot. Hydra's in general a luxury item on her. I've started going for it over BT nowadays, but in general Brut+LW (and your full armpen runepage) are extremely important goals, given people inevitably stack armor against you top lane/in general, which gives you more traction in teamfights as you can explode someone, generally the ADC (it's hard to leverage Hydra unless they're all close together from something like a full team Shy ulti, for instance). Plus if you're still in the lane phase, Hydra isn't the best for lane control unless you're hard pushing. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases. | ||
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discator
Germany639 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On April 27 2013 03:01 Alaric wrote: Says they are considering removing the cast time (or allowing to cast while moving) of sivir's ult Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases. She needs a quick pause to gather her breath so that she can shout from the top of her lungs, I guess. Maybe if they remove the cast time they will also lower the volume of the shout becoming more of a quick cheer? :D edit: yeah, played a ranked game a couple of minutes ago and the lag was unbearable. It was kind of exciting though to guess where you actually are right now and what you are doing. We had a Tryndamere in our team, which helped a lot though (aa to victory during lag). | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On April 27 2013 03:01 Alaric wrote: Says they are considering removing the cast time (or allowing to cast while moving) of sivir's ult Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I found it really strange that Sivir stops while she casts a spell that basically says "Now I'm chasing you" in most cases. What about gp's e? | ||
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