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On April 26 2013 16:09 cLutZ wrote:
The other main difference was that Dig kinda said "you can't kill Kog, vs. TPA "you cant catch Vayne." Like, if somehow SGS had gotten a nice flank, they coulda done it. Also, if you see 2 Supports picked in a pro game, how do you not say "wait a min...we need to pick kogmaw" or wait to see if you need to pick kog?
If SGS were able to get a pick off on Vayne or been able to shut her down heavily, their team comp would've floundered (though the anti-push power of AP Lulu+Janna could keep them in the game provided the rest of the team wasn't doing terribly). The issue with the Dig team comp was that you could even kill the ADC and it wouldn't matter, because the rest of the team would out-DPS you after you put all your burst into maybe killing one target with a heavy magic damage orientation. Riot broke AP Soraka/Lulu ratios because the team-comp just had stupid amounts of synergy with little counterplay.
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On April 26 2013 07:11 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:On April 26 2013 03:41 TheYango wrote:On April 26 2013 03:36 Phunkapotamus wrote:Riot hasn't known what the jungle is for ages. Source: Season 3 jungle. Not just the jungle. There seems to fundamentally always be a certain disconnect between how Riot thinks their game is played, and how it's actually played. On the issue of Shyvana, people just got attached to the idea of running her in the jungle when I don't see what about her kit fundamentally makes her a jungler. She was a strong jungler in the period of time when AoE clearing was abusively faster than single-target clearing--that's pretty much it. In terms of the things a jungler is expected to provide, she's not exactly that amazing at many of them. Add to this the fact that she's a resourceless champ with decent laning abilities and pretty heavy farm demand. 1. Yes, Riot is prolly confused. 2. I don't see her place as a toplane either because I dont think her 2v1 would be good, and there isn't a place in the game (imo) for a cc-less bruiser right now. are we playing pubs or are we playing competitive? i think she's fine as a pub laner just because lots of things work in pubs. i don't think she works in competitive. i think she deals with 2v1 fine because she can waveclear and keep her tower up with jungle assistance but her teamfight sucks. i don't see anything that she offers that would make her scary in teamfights at all.
Teamfights is a big reason to play shyv. If you hit level 16 early you're doing like 1k dmg with R E Q on an AoE and then 85-170 damage around you depending on if her W still double procs the shit on the ground and around you both doing damage
I think people are focusing too much on damage items when you should probably be building full tank maybe with a wits end not sure and also you might want a teamcomp that can follow initiates well (lol rememer orianna shyv that curse used to do)
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So I'm playing normals with a friend that is not very good and I need some advice on giving him advice on how to slowly improve/play better. He's never played a MOBA before so his map awareness, cs, logical thinking towards his skills/abilities, and overall mechanics are all pretty bad.
I mean I'm enjoying my ridiculous score feeds every game but he feeds so often/hard playing really important roles (mid or support) that we actually still end up losing.
He seems to steadily be getting used to playing but he gets ridiculously depressed going 0/8 every game he plays with all of our friends (newbies too but they have some RTS/MOBA experience), so I'm kind of just looking for some succinct answers. :/
Any help? Am I looking at the situation all wrong? Dr. Phil, help! D:
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On April 26 2013 18:44 SwizzY wrote:
So I'm playing normals with a friend that is not very good and I need some advice on giving him advice on how to slowly improve/play better. He's never played a MOBA before so his map awareness, cs, logical thinking towards his skills/abilities, and overall mechanics are all pretty bad.
I mean I'm enjoying my ridiculous score feeds every game but he feeds so often/hard playing really important roles (mid or support) that we actually still end up losing.
He seems to steadily be getting used to playing but he gets ridiculously depressed going 0/8 every game he plays with all of our friends (newbies too but they have some RTS/MOBA experience), so I'm kind of just looking for some succinct answers. :/
Any help? Am I looking at the situation all wrong? Dr. Phil, help! D:
Give him goals/things to concentrate on for each game, CS is a good one, warding, keeping track of the enemy jungler (ask him where the jungler is at certain points in the game after they show themselves), building items that make sense to counter his enemies. Tell him to concentrate on those goals. If you go 0-8 but do really well on your CS goal, then he did good at this game at this point. A good one is to watch him play from over shoulder. Every time he dies explain what happened and what he can do to win that situation. Stay POSITIVE. Everything is a "how we can use this to get better", never, "wow you're bad"
Take it slow if he is getting depressed and let him play with other bads, he will burn out and quit. At this point a lot of his bad play is coming from not knowing what all the champions do and how much damage it will deal, so any play whatsoever is good.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
EU playoffs delayed till 17:00 CEST. It will be EG/Wolves followed by SK/aAa
euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=11332402#post11332402
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As a new player, it's not a bad idea to start them off against easy or intermediate bots. IIRC the bots don't use runes or masteries(although they have inhuman reaction time and aim, so there is that tradeoff. Annie bot and Fiddle bot are scary as all hell).
They generally learn faster when you give them one thing at a time to work towards.
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so is it only me or anyone else also cannot spectate people on friend list?
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Fiddle bot is really really OP, would suggest against playing against that especially for the newer players(and anyone else who wants to keep their sanity)
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Any bot with targeted abilities is pretty OP. since they will do perfect combos as soon as you are in range. It's actually pretty good practice as it makes you realise what the different champions can do to you if you try to dive in even when way ahead.
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On April 26 2013 18:44 SwizzY wrote:
So I'm playing normals with a friend that is not very good and I need some advice on giving him advice on how to slowly improve/play better. He's never played a MOBA before so his map awareness, cs, logical thinking towards his skills/abilities, and overall mechanics are all pretty bad.
I mean I'm enjoying my ridiculous score feeds every game but he feeds so often/hard playing really important roles (mid or support) that we actually still end up losing.
He seems to steadily be getting used to playing but he gets ridiculously depressed going 0/8 every game he plays with all of our friends (newbies too but they have some RTS/MOBA experience), so I'm kind of just looking for some succinct answers. :/
Any help? Am I looking at the situation all wrong? Dr. Phil, help! D:
In addition to what the others say keep ingraining into his head that the most important thing is not to die. Not dying is more important than getting a few cs, more important than putting some damage on your opponent and more important than potentially getting a kill.
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On April 26 2013 21:34 Badboyrune wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 18:44 SwizzY wrote:
So I'm playing normals with a friend that is not very good and I need some advice on giving him advice on how to slowly improve/play better. He's never played a MOBA before so his map awareness, cs, logical thinking towards his skills/abilities, and overall mechanics are all pretty bad.
I mean I'm enjoying my ridiculous score feeds every game but he feeds so often/hard playing really important roles (mid or support) that we actually still end up losing.
He seems to steadily be getting used to playing but he gets ridiculously depressed going 0/8 every game he plays with all of our friends (newbies too but they have some RTS/MOBA experience), so I'm kind of just looking for some succinct answers. :/
Any help? Am I looking at the situation all wrong? Dr. Phil, help! D: In addition to what the others say keep ingraining into his head that the most important thing is not to die. Not dying is more important than getting a few cs, more important than putting some damage on your opponent and more important than potentially getting a kill.
Actually for a very very new player this isn't great advice, because he will never find out how much aggression is safe without pushing too far and dying. You have to play with some aggression when you are starting so you can learn what safe play is other than sitting directly under the turret and getting zoned off of all the CS. As a noob he doesn't know whats safe and whats not.
It may be better for your teams overall performance right now if he does this, but its not good for him as a player, and will stall his development.
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On April 26 2013 21:29 TSBspartacus wrote:
Any bot with targeted abilities is pretty OP. since they will do perfect combos as soon as you are in range. It's actually pretty good practice as it makes you realise what the different champions can do to you if you try to dive in even when way ahead.
Also learning and managing abilities ranges. "You're got better range than Annie, and she'll never Flash ult you, so unless you walk into her range she won't be able to combo you. If you die, it's because you mistep, if you force her back with just harass, then you're learning how to visually assess your max range".
(May not work if they aren't using smartcasting, though.)
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I played Top Corki yesterday and built IBG/Black Cleaver and destroyed a Zed in lane. Granted I just don't think he was very good, but it was still effective. Honestly I'd rather have Battlemage Ez go Top and then have a real ADC. Of course it would depend on if you have a tanky Jungler to make up for a squishy Top, so you know, just depends.
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So last night I was forced to play Rammus top against Rumble. Lane went horribly but outside of laning phase it worked really really well. I know that game is no indication of viability but it got me thinking if rammus top is legit in solo q or not.
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I'm only really afraid of annie bot earlygame and veigar bot. Annie bot is gay as fuck early to mid with her perfect combos at max range even sometimes lol. And for veigar bot it doesn't matter that you're 3 items ahead, he can still chunk you like it's nothing with perfect combos lol. Fiddle bot not really that bad, just annoying.
I know a lot of newer players who call annie and veigar op because of learning to play vs bots. Fiddles more like "omg i fucking hate this guy, he's annoying" sort of deal rather than actually scary due to him randomly fearing you forever for no reason constantly lol.
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Do we have any resident Riven players here? This Box Box vs Best Riven NA exploded quite quickly with Megazero and Wickd joining the discussion, now Leaguepedia is holding a Riven 1v1 Tournament.
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On April 26 2013 22:32 AsnSensation wrote:Do we have any resident Riven players here? This Box Box vs Best Riven NA exploded quite quickly with Megazero and Wickd joining the discussion, now Leaguepedia is holding a Riven 1v1 Tournament. https://twitter.com/Leaguepedia/status/327766836173230080
I'm loving this 1v1 trend shit. It makes for great additions to the pro drama. And like... GOOD pro drama, based on skill, not bullshit.
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On April 26 2013 22:32 AsnSensation wrote:Do we have any resident Riven players here? This Box Box vs Best Riven NA exploded quite quickly with Megazero and Wickd joining the discussion, now Leaguepedia is holding a Riven 1v1 Tournament. https://twitter.com/Leaguepedia/status/327766836173230080
Navi was like, the original high Elo Riven. (one of the few, anyway)
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The beginner bots are quite tame, even on targeted-ability monsters like Annie. (That said, Annie is still the #1 scariest champ in beginner bots...) Also, many of the AI champs only have an intermediate difficult, meaning you'll never run into a cass in beginner bots.
Intermediate bots are pretty tough for new players, since they get a gold cheat and everything. If you can't win (or get a huge lead) within the first 15 minutes (and most groups of new players can't), you have to stall the game out to ~40 while you can catch up on your six items. This generally means exploiting the AI with splitpushing, but many new players aren't aware of this either.
Intermediate bots get level 20 worth of runes and masteries iirc. Except the runes they use are the god-awful tier 2 runes that no one ever buys.
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Are they banning golems in the tourney?
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