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TSBspartacus

England1046 Posts

April 24 2013 15:33 GMT

#3301

I always come back, telling myself I will get my moneys worth out of the skins eventually.

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Then I spend more on RP.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 24 2013 15:41 GMT

#3302

It'd be nice if you could put a little blip on your UI about what roles you'd like to play. Not necessarily match you up with players so that the meta is enforced, but so that when you go into a game there's little checkboxes under your name about what positions you'd like to play.

That way there wouldn't be any "I called it first" spam.

Do that and change blind pick so even though it's still blind, one player picks at a time. Give them 30 seconds each.

That'd solve a lot ofissues, I feel.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

April 24 2013 15:59 GMT

#3303

Even if you want a melee ADC to be glass cannon, what's wrong with this?:

How do you counter Tryndamere? Another Tryndamere!

Or wait.. a carry is too binary? A champion that is by definition supposed to be weak in the early game and really strong in the late game is binary?

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

April 24 2013 16:02 GMT

#3304

On April 24 2013 17:32 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh man, I don't know how to code in C++ at all now (haven't used it for 10+ years I think). This is going to take a while.

I've quickly hacked together a javascript version of it. It's slow and bad, but it kind of works. I'm bad at javascript and very lazy.

So if people missed the discussion a few pages back, this is a script to calculate what to buy in order to get to 0 RP. It just brute forces that problem by compiling a bunch of list of possible RP values that are spendable with the stuff in the shop. It also includes buying RP to get to a spendable amount of RP.

It's possible to fit it to your needs by changing the arrays in the first lines of it to include relevant prices, if you have every champion for example or if you need the US RP values. If you don't know what to do with it, copy it into an empty text file, name it rp.html and open it in your browser. It might take a few seconds to load, since it is terribly inefficient. So here is the script:

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<html>
<script type ="text/javascript">

//put all viable prices here, depending if you want to include champions on sale, boosts, etc.
var prices = [160,260,290,585,790,880,975,1350,1820,1846]; 
//buyable rp values vary for each region
//US [650, 1380, 2800, 5000, 7200, 15000]
var rpvalues = [839,1779,3612,6451,9305];
//how much rp you want to spend at most
var maxrp = 25000;

var buys = new Array();
var rpbuys = new Array();



//calculate the possibilites: 1. add each price once as a start, 2. add each price to each existing price combination, 3. repeat 2 until every combination below the maximum is accounted for
for(var i = 0; i < prices.length; i++){
	var p = [prices[i]];
	buys[parseInt(prices[i])] = p;	
}
for(var i = 0; i < maxrp/prices[0]; i++){
	for(var j in buys){	
		if(buys[j].length == i+1){
			for(var k = 0; k < prices.length; k++){
				if(parseInt(j)+prices[k] < maxrp){
					var p = buys[j].slice(0);
					p.push(prices[k]);
					buys[parseInt(j)+prices[k]] = p;	
				}
			}
		}
	}
}
for(var i = 0; i < rpvalues.length; i++){
	var p = [rpvalues[i]];
	rpbuys[parseInt(rpvalues[i])] = p;	
}
for(var i = 0; i < maxrp/rpvalues[0]; i++){
	for(var j in rpbuys){	
		if(rpbuys[j].length == i+1){
			for(var k = 0; k < rpvalues.length; k++){
				if(parseInt(j)+rpvalues[k] < maxrp){
					var p = rpbuys[j].slice(0);
					p.push(rpvalues[k]);
					rpbuys[parseInt(j)+rpvalues[k]] = p;	
				}
			}
		}
	}
}

function containsKey(a, obj) {
    for (var i in obj) {
        if (i == a) {
            return true;
        }
    }
    return false;
}

function roitpls(rp){
	if(containsKey(rp, buys)){
		alert("You can buy that with: "+buys[rp].toString());
		return;
	} 
	for(var i in rpbuys){	
		if(containsKey(parseInt(rp) + parseInt(i), buys)){
			alert("You can buy that by buying RP: "+rpbuys[i].toString()+"\nAnd then buying:"+buys[parseInt(rp)+parseInt(i)].toString());
			return;
		}	
	}
	alert("Is not possible!");
}
</script>

Current RP: <input type ="text" id="rp" value="0"><br>
<input type="button" onclick="JavaScript:roitpls(document.getElementById('rp').value); return false;" value="ok" />
</html>

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

April 24 2013 16:05 GMT

#3305

On April 25 2013 00:41 Ketara wrote:
It'd be nice if you could put a little blip on your UI about what roles you'd like to play. Not necessarily match you up with players so that the meta is enforced, but so that when you go into a game there's little checkboxes under your name about what positions you'd like to play.

That way there wouldn't be any "I called it first" spam.

Do that and change blind pick so even though it's still blind, one player picks at a time. Give them 30 seconds each.

That'd solve a lot ofissues, I feel.

the only way riot could fix the "I called it first" spam and improve the lobby in general is to just make it a punishable offense and stating that very clearly. At the moment they follow the "don't be a dick in lobby"-rule. but what they don't get is that calling lanes in a not super nice way (except you are fp) almost allways pisses people off and sometimes even starts rivalries, troll picking etc.

1. The only way you get a role if you are not firstpick is if the picks above you agree with you OR if you pick that role anyway and hamper your team. The second is a punishable offense anyway.

2. The only way the pickers above you agree to give you a certain role is when they either don't want that role or if you ask nicely.

3. The only way they don't want the role themselves is either because they don't want to piss you off, they are afraid that you will start a fight if they still pick want that role, or they just plain don't want that role which is pure luck.

=> If you don't ask nicely then getting the role you called without pissing people off/starting a fight is pure luck. Imo that should be punished.

As well as statements like: "If you suck with this role I report you" - And similar stuff. It brings the morale of the team down before the game even started.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 24 2013 16:24 GMT

#3306

That's pretty much the problem, the whole "whoever calls it first gets it" mentality is the issue. It's antagonistic and doesn't promote teamwork.

I don't think you need to go as far as to make it punishable, though. Being a dick should be punishable obviously, but I think you could fix the problem without throwing down the banhammer.

People play blind pick till level 30, and by the time they start ranked they're used to whoever calls/locks it first gets it. It's been institutionalized by then, and they drag that attitude into draft queues.

So change the way blind pick works. Make it so even though it's blind, one person picks at a time. Put a champion select portion in the tutorial or give a hint that straight up says picking roles goes by pick order in champion select.

If you do that, by the time players get to level 30, they'll get it that pick order is what matters, they won't drag a different mindset into ranked play, and it will solve a lot of the issues, at least where reasonable people are concerned.

There will still be unreasonable people, but that's where you start going into punishment. You're right, the shit in champ select should be reportable from champ select. Put the champ select and postgame chat into the tribunal report, and make it so that if you dodge a game you can still report somebody. Dodging is so institutionalized at this point that having to close the client window to do it is dumb. Have a dodge button right there on the screen complete with a "You will lose 10 league points for this and have a 15 minute dodge timer, are you sure?" after you click it, and once you dodge the game take you to another window where you can report people and list reasons for why you dodged.

There's so many little things Riot could do to improve the community, I do not know why they do not do them, the only sensible reason seems like it would be a simple lack of resources to do all the things they want to do.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 16:30 GMT

#3307

theres a thing on reddit that says shy and maknoon are gonna 1v1 for the spot

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 24 2013 16:32 GMT

#3308

I would so watch that.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

April 24 2013 16:41 GMT

#3309

On April 25 2013 01:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a thing on reddit that says shy and maknoon are gonna 1v1 for the spot

We gotta hype this up! Grudge matches aren't the same since CombatEx...

Holy shit! I can kill overlords!

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 16:45 GMT

#3310

i rush you vs zerg players as a sign of disrespect!

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

April 24 2013 16:50 GMT

#3311

On April 25 2013 01:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
theres a thing on reddit that says shy and maknoon are gonna 1v1 for the spot

I don't think that is going to happen. Maknoon got heavy community backlash from CJ Entus fans for his brash language, and he promptly proceeded to delete all his comments. Besides, Flame would own them both in a one versus one setting.

It must have been quite an emotional rollercoaster ride for Maknoon, being the heavy favourite to go with nearly 20% advantage, then getting attacked for his lack of form. Then the real drama began with the announcement from Riot Korea about the nature of this tournament, a large portion of Korean community rallyied to knock Maknoon off the top spot by uniting all their votes on the second placed Shy, his tongue in cheek challenge to Shy out of frustration that his ability was being doubted by everyone, the community backlash for his language, and finally losing the first place spot on the final day only to have his stout supporters regain the top spot for Maknoon with 8 minutes to go, then the anti-Maknoon movement having their final say with only 2 minutes to go..... if I were him, I would be a total wreck.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 16:51 GMT

#3312

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=leagueoflegends1&no=1821604

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

April 24 2013 16:54 GMT

#3313

On April 25 2013 01:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=leagueoflegends1&no=1821604

That is a screen capture. He deleted all his comments. Sadly an epic finale for the right to represent Korea is not going to happen.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 16:55 GMT

#3314

that's a shame.

Letmelose

Korea (South)3227 Posts

April 24 2013 17:05 GMT

#3315

On April 25 2013 01:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
that's a shame.

Blame it on the CJ Entus fans. There's always been some fro between the Najin brand and the Frost/Blaze brand and their fans, and as you can see the votes were heavily dominated by players from the two rivaling factions. At first the idea of Locodoco and Madlife were pushed forward by the Frost/Blaze fans, which quickly got slammed down once Riot released the details of their tournament. The backlash from the disappointed Frost/Blaze fans went to the underperforming Maknoon, and Najin fans tried their best to hold off the endless waves of bitter Frost/Blaze fans, and people like me who were persuaded to stop throwing away votes on players like Expession and settle for Shy, but Najin fans eventually got outnumbered. Maknoon tried to appeal to the general public by prompting on epic showdown match, but Frost/Blaze fans were sure of their numbers and didn't want to risk anything, so then went on to attack Maknoon for being rude. It's really petty stuff between the two opposing fans, and Shy will have to represent Korea with Najin fans wishing him the worst of luck.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 17:14 GMT

#3316

Korea's always good for an epic fan divide. their passion for LoL is truly unmatched in NA

kainzero

United States5211 Posts

April 24 2013 17:19 GMT

#3317

On April 25 2013 01:24 Ketara wrote:
That's pretty much the problem, the whole "whoever calls it first gets it" mentality is the issue. It's antagonistic and doesn't promote teamwork.

I don't think you need to go as far as to make it punishable, though. Being a dick should be punishable obviously, but I think you could fix the problem without throwing down the banhammer.

People play blind pick till level 30, and by the time they start ranked they're used to whoever calls/locks it first gets it. It's been institutionalized by then, and they drag that attitude into draft queues.

So change the way blind pick works. Make it so even though it's blind, one person picks at a time. Put a champion select portion in the tutorial or give a hint that straight up says picking roles goes by pick order in champion select.

If you do that, by the time players get to level 30, they'll get it that pick order is what matters, they won't drag a different mindset into ranked play, and it will solve a lot of the issues, at least where reasonable people are concerned.

There will still be unreasonable people, but that's where you start going into punishment. You're right, the shit in champ select should be reportable from champ select. Put the champ select and postgame chat into the tribunal report, and make it so that if you dodge a game you can still report somebody. Dodging is so institutionalized at this point that having to close the client window to do it is dumb. Have a dodge button right there on the screen complete with a "You will lose 10 league points for this and have a 15 minute dodge timer, are you sure?" after you click it, and once you dodge the game take you to another window where you can report people and list reasons for why you dodged.

There's so many little things Riot could do to improve the community, I do not know why they do not do them, the only sensible reason seems like it would be a simple lack of resources to do all the things they want to do.

one of the problems is that in blind pick pre-30, a lot of people don't even know what they're "supposed to" pick or where they're "supposed to" go. and depending on their normal MMR, they might not even reach that level ever.

and even if it goes by pick order, so what?
there's nothing preventing me from locking in a hero in a role that's already taken. and i don't even know how it's reportable.
like if i wanna just go play singed mid, regardless of pick order or whoever calls it, i can just go do it in the game. and if i legitimately think it works, even if we duo mid, who are you to tell me who's wrong? just because everyone doesn't agree with it? is that a real reason to report someone, because they disagree with how they think the team should be run? and what if the singed mid is the friendliest guy while the rest of his team profanely rants on him?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

April 24 2013 17:23 GMT

#3318

If someone gets reported and is legitimately friendly and everyone else in the game is an asshole, people aren't so unreasonable as to punish for that.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

April 24 2013 17:25 GMT

#3319

I'm sure I've been reported for playing AD Sona, but i've never been punished, cuz i'm #1 super nice guy and i usually do pretty well

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

April 24 2013 17:29 GMT

#3320

On April 25 2013 02:19 kainzero wrote:

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LoL's meta is pretty well defined and players going into draft queue are expected to know that. If 4/5 players want you to just play the meta but you want to duo Mid Singed you are still not cooperating with the team which is a punishable offense.

Edit: I want to be clear that playing an unconventional champ in a specific role is way different then someone going "nah, I actually just don't like playing this role, so I'm just gonna go duo Mid instead of Support." If you want to play Singed Mid then you are within your rights, but playing Singed Mid when you already have a Mid and no Support is refusal to cooperate.

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