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On April 24 2013 19:12 Gaslo wrote:
Why did people stop playing Vi? Were the nerfs so bad, or did people just move to the next FOTMs? I have 6100 IP, and were thinking about her or Khazix. He used to be like 100% pick/ban in my elo, now i havent seen even one in the last 2 weeks.
Get Vi if you jungle. Kha'zix if you lane.
I still play Vi. She's still really good, just not op any more.
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Vi is great, no question.
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On April 24 2013 18:25 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:09 EquilasH wrote:On April 24 2013 17:08 Dusty wrote:
I think Melee carries suck because their kits are awful in LoL. Why pick Yi, Trynd, GP, Fiora when you can be Irelia, Jax, Darius, Hecarim, Khazix, Nasus, Renekton, etc. All of those in the latter group have some major things in comming: High base damage, high scaling and relevancy while being able to build tanky. Compare it to DotA where melee carries are godlike because their kits are really strong and scale really well with items. A large part of my point was that melee carries such as Yi and Tryndamere don't suck. I don't know how much you guys encounter jungle Yi or Trynd top on NA, but when I face it on EU it always seems damn strong. I know a dude that plays a lot of smite/tp jungle Yi (Mechzen on NA) and he either gets fed and carries or doesn't get fed and just loses because he's an un-fed Yi. Nobody plays Trynd top on NA as far as I know, except for yesterday where I opened nintendude's stream and he played him vs Nasus, which is probably one of the only lanes that Trynd can do decently in. Somewhat related, what elo/level are you playing on in EU Oh you know what, I am actually reminded of someone named KillerKast (I think) on NA that plays a lot of Fiora and he usually does well playing her mid. Maybe he's on to something with his playstyle, who knows.
I'm Diamond 1. And yeah mostly it seems like it's the same guys playing those champions, I forgot the Yi player's names but I know Trynd or Feed plays a mean Tryndamere (I haven't seen him for a while and from his lolking it looks like he doesn't play much anymore) and a couple other guy's whose names I can't recall.
Edit: Also you should take his name seriously - I had him one game where he went 2-15 with some support.
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I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3
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On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3
sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him)
btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better?
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guys would you stop making the wrong dota melee carry comparisons?
melee carries in dota are basicly tanks/bruisers with (very) high mobility or CC or both. At least all the successfull ones have kits that make extremely tanky or even invulnerable for a considerable amount of time and they still are build very tanky. The few sqhishy ones who have higher dps scaling in return are situational picks and need teams to build around them.
its basicly the exact same thing, stop pretending its not.
the main reason we don't see alot of melee carrying lanes is convenience and the fact that adc players are practicing ranged champs. Also alot of the ranged+ support lanes are just very strong and apply safe aggression.
apart from the lanes it is not the teamfights that are the problem at all. the fact that you dont have a ranged adc actually opens up for alot of strong possibilities who can beat standard comps. Its basicly the turret sieges and pokeing phases that make radcs so strong.
melees splitpush though. I rather send a jax/trynd/ire/riven solo to a sidelane after 20min than a cait/mf/graves.
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lack of effective bruiser+support lanes doesnt help
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On April 24 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3 sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him) btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better?
I think it's pretty funny that Lee Sin is basically balanced around making sick plays 
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On April 24 2013 17:08 Dusty wrote:
I think Melee carries suck because their kits are awful in LoL. Why pick Yi, Trynd, GP, Fiora when you can be Irelia, Jax, Darius, Hecarim, Khazix, Nasus, Renekton, etc. All of those in the latter group have some major things in comming: High base damage, high scaling and relevancy while being able to build tanky. Compare it to DotA where melee carries are godlike because their kits are really strong and scale really well with items.
Irelia,Jax,Darius,Hecarim,Khazix,Nasus,Renekton etc. ARE MELEE CARRIES if you trying to make a comparison to dota. People just completely misuse the terminology not realizing you can't just compare games and then get into this rut. Melee carries in dota get maybe 2 offensive items then rest are either defensive or hybrid offensive/defensive. It's just dota has far more pronounced powercurving so obviously it looks like they do so much more because they just do relative to everyone else. LoL specifically removed power curving at the level dota has it so you are never going to get the same effect. Add to the fact that the map is way smaller so it's incredibly hard to zone heroes out the way you do in a safe lane. This means you have to have a strong laner to actually get anywhere which means melee kits can't be geared to be super weak early but super strong later(Which is almost against LoL design anyway).
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On April 24 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3 sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him) btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better?
Flip a coin, they're both awesome
On April 24 2013 20:49 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 17:08 Dusty wrote:
I think Melee carries suck because their kits are awful in LoL. Why pick Yi, Trynd, GP, Fiora when you can be Irelia, Jax, Darius, Hecarim, Khazix, Nasus, Renekton, etc. All of those in the latter group have some major things in comming: High base damage, high scaling and relevancy while being able to build tanky. Compare it to DotA where melee carries are godlike because their kits are really strong and scale really well with items. Irelia,Jax,Darius,Hecarim,Khazix,Nasus,Renekton etc. ARE MELEE CARRIES if you trying to make a comparison to dota. People just completely misuse the terminology not realizing you can't just compare games and then get into this rut.
yeah I suppose you and clickrush are right. I still stand by my opinion that fiora/trynd/yi just have awful competitive kits compared to the rest of the melee champions because of their lack of CC/burst
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On April 24 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3 sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him) btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better?
you better open FMJ because he'll be 1350 rp pretty soon.
also FMJ has pretty cool voice.
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On April 24 2013 20:54 Dusty wrote:
yeah I suppose you and clickrush are right. I still stand by my opinion that fiora/trynd/yi just have awful competitive kits compared to the rest of the melee champions because of their lack of CC/burst
That could very well be true. I just feel both riot and the community keep thinking they are different so they will never be balanced for competitive play because of this. So part of the solution is fixing peoples perception of them. This whole "Bruiser" and "AD melee carry" stuff is hurting the champions more than helping.
Just reading the reddit thread about this I see so much false information about how Dota works. Riot is notoriously stupid when it comes to how dota works so I don't see why this comparison has even developed.
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On April 24 2013 21:01 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3 sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him) btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better? you better open FMJ because he'll be 1350 rp pretty soon. also FMJ has pretty cool voice.
FMJ has a cool voice but he's ugly as shit other than that IMO. Either way it comes down to opinion, Debonair is more 'smooth' and less inventor and FMJ is kinda vice versa.
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On April 24 2013 21:35 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:01 Mensol wrote:On April 24 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:On April 24 2013 19:53 Mensol wrote:
I've played Lee Singa top lane other day and it felt super weak -_- #buffleesinga
give me some suggestions please :3 sadly best suggestion is dont play lee unless u r 10x more skilled than ur opponent (or atleast hit the skill cap so u can do sick things with him) btw cant decide FMJ vs Debonair Jayce, which skin is better? you better open FMJ because he'll be 1350 rp pretty soon. also FMJ has pretty cool voice. FMJ has a cool voice but he's ugly as shit other than that IMO. Either way it comes down to opinion, Debonair is more 'smooth' and less inventor and FMJ is kinda vice versa.
Debonair better for more "Cool Guys Don't Look at Acceleration Gate/Shockwave Gibs." Bond, James fucking Bond.
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i noticed some players use 1x 0.28AD glyph so their run page shows 16AD not 15, i changed it myself (well its 1 dmg vs 1 mr) but my ingame lvl1 damage didnt change, does it work at all or its some urban legend?
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On April 24 2013 22:22 kongoline wrote:
i noticed some players use 1x 0.28AD glyph so their run page shows 16AD not 15, i changed it myself (well its 1 dmg vs 1 mr) but my ingame lvl1 damage didnt change, does it work at all or its some urban legend?
League does not round. The display is rounded, but the number they calculate with isn't.
So no, It doesn't work.
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well there goes 205 IP i never see again ^^
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On April 24 2013 19:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:41 Osmoses wrote:
Problem with so-called melee-carries is lategame. They get destroyed in seconds in teamfights. Not always. Jax, Irelia, and Riven if they're well itemized can do some sick damage unless they're just completely locked down by crowd control. Maybe it's different for Irelia in Season 3 but it used to be that even if you were underfarmed relative to their adc or top laner you could still do significant damage to their adc before you got killed, and if you were decently farmed you were blowing their adc or ap carry before they had a chance to respond. Same goes for Jax and Riven. And the thing about Jax/Irelia/Riven is you can itemize both tankiness and damage and it's really your choice on how you approach it. You can grab randuins/something tanky along with your damage items. Granted it's a bit more then what adc's have to do, but hey it's a melee champ. What did you expect?
So? Melee Carries in DOTA do the same thing - they get pretty fucking tanky.
What you need to be a carry is sustained DPS, whether it's from consistent autoattack steroids (Jax) or low cooldown abilities that you can space out in a fight (Riven) with mobility (all of the above) and stickiness (all of the above) and maybe some durability on their kit so they can squeeze more offense into their itemization (Counterstrike, Valor, Grandmaster activation)
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Shy surpasses Maknoon in the All Stars standing in Korea!
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On April 24 2013 22:30 jpak wrote:Shy surpasses Maknoon in the All Stars standing in Korea! + Show Spoiler +
I hope they do a 1v1 showdown like SoaZ and Wickd.
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