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On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape
Well you could just win it so hard early game it doesn't matter. Is that selfish then :<
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On April 23 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... Kha'zix and Zed, go into fight. Oh bad fight for team? PEACE. Jumps out. Watch rest of your team die horrible horrible deaths. At least Jayce can bail out his entire team.
When I play Zed/Kha teams are too busy thanking me for the carry to bitch about one bad team fight huehuehue
Edit: Note I'm a Silver baddie and get fed pretty easily with AD mids, I'm sure at higher Elo the lack of magic damage hurts overall :p
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:31 Shotcoder wrote:
Every champ is free to play in normals on the Russian server? yes please!
Be careful though. I hear that in Soviet Russia, the champion plays you.
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On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape
*Assuming you don't use said champ to gain a huge advantage
**Assuming none of said champs buys a black cleaver
***Assuming you don't instantly blow up an opposing backline character
****Assuming Midlane is being picked after top and jungle
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On April 23 2013 05:22 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:02 Osmoses wrote:
I feel that jayce is good, but difficult while under pressure. Don't expect an easy ride. Sounds pretty accurate. He used to be an utter faceroll but Riot tone down the base stats and ratios of his Q and E. Now you have to be able to know how to land your Gated Shock Blasts in Cannon Mode and know when to combo in Hammer.
They only removed the base damage on Jayce's thundering blow, everything else was mana costs or a bug fix.
On April 23 2013 05:32 Alaric wrote:And if you're not fed, QE in hammer mode, there, you dictated a trade including some %max HP magic damage so you can fuck people up.
This isn't really that worthwhile anymore, the days of maxing e first are long gone, and most people don't even max it second. If your opponent has sustain or a dash, chances are you lose out in the end.
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On April 23 2013 05:54 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape Well you could just win it so hard early game it doesn't matter. Is that selfish then :<
Or you could have multiple people on the team running armor shred (J4, Renekton for example) and laugh when your ADs ignore 80% or more of enemy armor due to so much shred/pen.
100% Armor -> 92% Armor (Just Mastery) -> 59.8% Armor (Mastery+LW) -> 44.8% (Mastery, LW, Cleaver) -> 30-40% depending on whose ability is shredding (J4 and Renekton drop it below 30%!) Then you still have flat pen from sources like mastery (5) or Brutalizer (10).
If you pick your team properly, 5x AD damage works JUST FINE. Just make sure some people on your team have armor shred abilities.
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On April 23 2013 05:58 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:02 Osmoses wrote:
I feel that jayce is good, but difficult while under pressure. Don't expect an easy ride. Sounds pretty accurate. He used to be an utter faceroll but Riot tone down the base stats and ratios of his Q and E. Now you have to be able to know how to land your Gated Shock Blasts in Cannon Mode and know when to combo in Hammer. They only removed the base damage on Jayce's thundering blow, everything else was mana costs or a bug fix. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:32 Alaric wrote:And if you're not fed, QE in hammer mode, there, you dictated a trade including some %max HP magic damage so you can fuck people up. This isn't really that worthwhile anymore, the days of maxing e first are long gone, and most people don't even max it second. If your opponent has sustain or a dash, chances are you lose out in the end.
removing 200 base dmg from E and doubling mana costs on it in both forms isnt "only"
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I highly recommend you not play Jayce...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wqQ7Jex.png)
I've tried a lot of stuff with Jayce and I'm pretty sure it's always been wrong.
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jayce is one of the best blind pick mids in the game, hes my favorite to run.
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When I first played Khaz my winrate was like 8%. I literally had no idea how to play him. But now that I got a hang of it I play really well with him and over the past week I raised my winrate up to 40% or so, so I'm winning most of my games with him now.
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I went 2/11 as lulu the first times I played her. I even had one guy lolking me up and tell me to get off support because I sucked at it lol
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On April 23 2013 06:16 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:54 Numy wrote:On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape Well you could just win it so hard early game it doesn't matter. Is that selfish then :< Or you could have multiple people on the team running armor shred (J4, Renekton for example) and laugh when your ADs ignore 80% or more of enemy armor due to so much shred/pen. 100% Armor -> 92% Armor (Just Mastery) -> 59.8% Armor (Mastery+LW) -> 44.8% (Mastery, LW, Cleaver) -> 30-40% depending on whose ability is shredding (J4 and Renekton drop it below 30%!) Then you still have flat pen from sources like mastery (5) or Brutalizer (10). If you pick your team properly, 5x AD damage works JUST FINE. Just make sure some people on your team have armor shred abilities.
problem is you can't pick your team
you can only pick what you want to play
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On April 23 2013 06:19 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:58 zer0das wrote:On April 23 2013 05:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:02 Osmoses wrote:
I feel that jayce is good, but difficult while under pressure. Don't expect an easy ride. Sounds pretty accurate. He used to be an utter faceroll but Riot tone down the base stats and ratios of his Q and E. Now you have to be able to know how to land your Gated Shock Blasts in Cannon Mode and know when to combo in Hammer. They only removed the base damage on Jayce's thundering blow, everything else was mana costs or a bug fix. On April 23 2013 05:32 Alaric wrote:And if you're not fed, QE in hammer mode, there, you dictated a trade including some %max HP magic damage so you can fuck people up. This isn't really that worthwhile anymore, the days of maxing e first are long gone, and most people don't even max it second. If your opponent has sustain or a dash, chances are you lose out in the end. removing 200 base dmg from E and doubling mana costs on it in both forms isnt "only"
Someone said Jayce's ratios were nerfed, hence the "only." I never said the nerfs weren't significant.
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how to tell if a champ is OP
play him for the first time (in a semi serious game)
1. if you win with an OK score, he's OP
2. if you lose with an OK score, he's alright
3. if you lose and do terribad, its another player's fault
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On April 23 2013 05:56 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape *Assuming you don't use said champ to gain a huge advantage **Assuming none of said champs buys a black cleaver ***Assuming you don't instantly blow up an opposing backline character ****Assuming Midlane is being picked after top and jungle
most top and jungle players dont have many aps in their arsenal
most opposing backlines will be buying zhonyas/randuins or at least tabi
black cleaver needs to stack up to full which means your whole assassin thing comes into problems
the huge advantage thing is the main selling point
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On April 23 2013 04:18 samthesaluki wrote:
Lolking has a lolking rating aka elo that is susposed to roughly represent your mmr
It has no correlation to your MMR. It just assigns you a number according to your league and LP within that league.
Lolking can't see your MMR any better than you can.
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Baa?21243 Posts
everyone who bitches about all ad teams being useless is stupid and doesnt watch real games
asian leagues prove daily that ap is optional
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On April 23 2013 06:37 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:56 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners. I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed. Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol. How is playing op champs selfish. Playing Heimer is selfish... its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape *Assuming you don't use said champ to gain a huge advantage **Assuming none of said champs buys a black cleaver ***Assuming you don't instantly blow up an opposing backline character ****Assuming Midlane is being picked after top and jungle most top and jungle players dont have many aps in their arsenal most opposing backlines will be buying zhonyas/randuins or at least tabi black cleaver needs to stack up to full which means your whole assassin thing comes into problems the huge advantage thing is the main selling point
I mean, if one of your Top/Jungles is J4/Renekton the whole point is moot to begin with (hell even nasus shreds armor). But yes, the huge advantage is the selling point. Because Zed and Khazix are balanced as if the S2 armorpen forumla still was in effect and Black Cleaver was never changed (and Zed is balanced as if Botrk didn't work with deathmark).
Edit: I've decided to couple this with non QQ advice: Play more Hecarim.
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