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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#2881
On April 23 2013 04:58 Serelitz wrote:
Thinking of buying Jayce since he's on sale now. Should I?

Showers are the best btw. I think I'll have one right now even.

I like Jayce. Get fed and chunk people with EQ combos npnp. But in all seriousness he's a pretty fun champ. Kinda fell out of favor after the mana cost nerfs, but now every one just build Tear to make up for it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 22 2013 20:02 GMT
#2882
I feel that jayce is good, but difficult while under pressure. Don't expect an easy ride.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 20:10:18
April 22 2013 20:06 GMT
#2883
On April 23 2013 04:36 Gahlo wrote:
So, I'm slumping right now. Anybody got any tips to get out of it? Right now I'm doing the basketball method of "just keep shooting till you get out of it."


This a "just doing bad today" kind of thing or "I've been doing badly the past week or two" kind of thing?

If it's the first, take a break and watch/do something that's funny and will make you laugh.

If it's the latter, I find that trying to approach the game from a totally different perspective can help a lot. Do some stuff you'd normally never do. Try some 3v3's, ARAMs, or some Dominion games. Play a lane you don't usually play, with champions you don't usually play. Try some bizarre builds.

Basically, just try some stuff out, relax, and have fun. You'll be surprised by where you can find inspiration from.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 22 2013 20:08 GMT
#2884
Yeah, he certainly requires a little more skill then his pre-nerf state. Like the other 6 skill champs it's a matter of learning his flow and when to all in and what not.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
April 22 2013 20:19 GMT
#2885
Does it help that I tried and made a terrible Elise? I did enjoy playing her though, so if they're similar I'll probably pick him up.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 22 2013 20:22 GMT
#2886
On April 23 2013 05:02 Osmoses wrote:
I feel that jayce is good, but difficult while under pressure. Don't expect an easy ride.


Sounds pretty accurate. He used to be an utter faceroll but Riot tone down the base stats and ratios of his Q and E. Now you have to be able to know how to land your Gated Shock Blasts in Cannon Mode and know when to combo in Hammer.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
April 22 2013 20:28 GMT
#2887
Going from 100FPS and 20Ping to 20-25FPS and 250Ping sucks dick. It really does.

Still not going to stop playing on this shitty laptop, i need my fix :<
Useless wet fish.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 22 2013 20:28 GMT
#2888
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
April 22 2013 20:29 GMT
#2889
On April 23 2013 04:53 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:41 Requizen wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:37 xes wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:31 xes wrote:
The pts part is scaled. But everyone who is [Division X] with [K] pts will have the same Lolking scoreelo which wouldn't be true if it was a real MMR system.

I'm not entirely sure that's true. As unlikely of a scenario as it is, the person who wins every game except their promotion series will be at the same Division/LP as the person who just fell down 3 divisions on a 20 game losing streak. It's unlikely (though possible) that their internal MMR is the same.

You're right that's the exact example I was thinking of but I was bad at words

Division/Points would more correlate to MMR if they didn't have such things as the promotion series or didn't have Tier Locking preventing people from dropping out of a Tier when they finally win their Bo5. Instead you get these weird cases where your internal MMR and Division might be really out of whack.

Only not being able to drop tiers has any real possibility of desynching your MMR and division/points, and these are easily detectable by people sitting at the bottom of their league with zero points. Failing your promotion series all the time has an upper limit to how much it can desync your MMR and division, since at some point you have to maintain a 50% loss rate to fail to promote (lose 2/3, win 1 game and get enough points to immediately get back into a promotion series)* *edit: although this needs the assumption that the matchmaker always matches players up evenly, which is generally true for most MMR ranges

Hell, lolking could even try to be smart and use LP earned/lost per game as a way to figure out how far off a player's MMR and division is. Not sure if they already do this.

You don't have to lose. Dodging takes you out of promotion series too.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 22 2013 20:31 GMT
#2890
Every champ is free to play in normals on the Russian server? yes please!
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 22 2013 20:32 GMT
#2891
On April 23 2013 05:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:58 Serelitz wrote:
Thinking of buying Jayce since he's on sale now. Should I?

Showers are the best btw. I think I'll have one right now even.

I like Jayce. Get fed and chunk people with EQ combos npnp. But in all seriousness he's a pretty fun champ. Kinda fell out of favor after the mana cost nerfs, but now every one just build Tear to make up for it.

And if you're not fed, QE in hammer mode, there, you dictated a trade including some %max HP magic damage so you can fuck people up.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 20:36:10
April 22 2013 20:35 GMT
#2892
On April 23 2013 05:06 Cheap0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:36 Gahlo wrote:
So, I'm slumping right now. Anybody got any tips to get out of it? Right now I'm doing the basketball method of "just keep shooting till you get out of it."


This a "just doing bad today" kind of thing or "I've been doing badly the past week or two" kind of thing?

If it's the first, take a break and watch/do something that's funny and will make you laugh.

If it's the latter, I find that trying to approach the game from a totally different perspective can help a lot. Do some stuff you'd normally never do. Try some 3v3's, ARAMs, or some Dominion games. Play a lane you don't usually play, with champions you don't usually play. Try some bizarre builds.

Basically, just try some stuff out, relax, and have fun. You'll be surprised by where you can find inspiration from.

Last couple of weeks at least, after I got into S3 I tanked all the way to the bottom of S5.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 22 2013 20:39 GMT
#2893
On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.


I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 22 2013 20:41 GMT
#2894
On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.


I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed.

Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 22 2013 20:42 GMT
#2895
On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.


I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed.

Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol.


How is playing op champs selfish.

Playing Heimer is selfish...
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 20:44:16
April 22 2013 20:44 GMT
#2896
On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.


I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed.

Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol.


How is playing op champs selfish.

Playing Heimer is selfish...

Kha'zix and Zed, go into fight. Oh bad fight for team? PEACE. Jumps out. Watch rest of your team die horrible horrible deaths.

At least Jayce can bail out his entire team.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 22 2013 20:47 GMT
#2897
I also play Fizz mid, thank you very much.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 22 2013 20:48 GMT
#2898
Jayce is really strong if you wanted to run a team that just sieges objectives because his poke is so good. If you're worried about top lane match ups you can just run him mid since he does fine in mid lane and has very few bad match ups mid lane (honestly I think Kha'Zix has more bad match ups than Jayce in mid lane). Zed is just straight up OP.

If you need an assassin or want to crush mid super super hard then yeah, Zed/Kha'Zix are usually gonna be better. But there are team comps that Jayce fits into better than them imoimoimo.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 22 2013 20:48 GMT
#2899
On April 23 2013 05:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
I also play Fizz mid, thank you very much.


* Against Twisted Fate and Karthus
Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 22 2013 20:51 GMT
#2900
On April 23 2013 05:42 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:28 overt wrote:
Just play Jayce mid. You dump on mid laners a lot harder than you dump on top laners.


I see your Jayce and raise you Kha'Zix/Zed.

Well we know what kind of player Neo is now... Selfish as fuck picks. lol.


How is playing op champs selfish.

Playing Heimer is selfish...


its selfish because if you already have an ad based jungle/top and ad carry you're fucked over if the game goes over 30 minutes because of armour stack but you personally can win your lane and get LW fast and be like trolol you mad omg why my teams always so bad we always lose even though i rape
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