EPTAlso, red pot start was so annoying, thank god. I was starting to see ADCs start with it.
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Also, red pot start was so annoying, thank god. I was starting to see ADCs start with it. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:45 Parnage wrote: Isn't a reason to nerf red pot the fact that everyone from mids to ad carry was buying it to try and bait kills/keep themselves in lane longer then they would otherwise? I think it really was dumb how one could just chill at like 100 hp without a worry because they'd still win the commitment(think Renekton), and even after that they then would have the advantage for 4 minutes... Instant 250+ hp healing just as a potion would probably be worth like... over 100 gold, so the stats are just a bonus -> It was too cost-efficient. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
Not that I didn't use it. =] | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:44 Shikyo wrote: Again if the site's correct, how is .65, .6, .6, .7 bad scaling? I can't think of too many champions with better total AP scaling... Especially when you consider her Q is same cooldown as Vladimir's and also when you consider her initiating capabilities. Another very important thing to consider is that she has no DoT at all, which means that she's all frontloaded brust -> far scarier than Malzahar for example(who otherwise has higher damage). About mpen, Llandry's seems wonderful. Q spam + Llandry = tons of damage, especially if Q projectile speed is decent and if it has a good range. Yeah, I was looking at it from the wrong perspective. She has 4 nukes, so if everything was .8 or higher her damage would be insane. I wasn't making a value judgement on MagicPen, I'm just ignorant to how high the base damages have to be to make it worth while, although you make a strong case for Liandry's (for for Q the speed is okay but range is shorter then I expected) | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote: Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening. Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck. Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:39 TheYango wrote: She's appropriately scaled for a champ that has 4 nukes. Hm, I guess she is ok, ult scaling is a bit underwhelming there are champs with much better scaling on 4 nukes, brand for instance (lol ap ezreal), plus his passive. But I guess she looks ok, you are trading 1.0 ult scaling for lots of utilty on her. Her Q looks realllly short range from the vid, i guess you hit with the blow though....wonder how far that goes That passive is really fucking lame though, either it does like nothing or its just a big gimp to her kit that slows her down a ton. She should get a real passive and they just adjust her costs to how they want her to play out. ALSO release skin: Red Lissandra! lol, I thought they were done with palette swaps | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck. Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top. It thought it was Flask3. With Elixer going away as a start, most likely, whether people start Flask3 or mass pots will depend on their resource. I wish you could still go elixer ward 3pot though. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
potionmaster garen from last season is so legit right now. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:03 sob3k wrote: Hm, I guess she is ok, ult scaling is a bit underwhelming there are champs with much better scaling on 4 nukes, brand for instance (lol ap ezreal), plus his passive. But I guess she looks ok, you are trading 1.0 ult scaling for lots of utilty on her. Her Q looks realllly short range from the vid, i guess you hit with the blow though....wonder how far that goes That passive is really fucking lame though, either it does like nothing or its just a big gimp to her kit that slows her down a ton. She should get a real passive and they just adjust her costs to how they want her to play out. The wording is a little weird, from what I can tell from playing is the skill doesn't hit and explode like a Vi punch, it's more like Zyra's roots where it just travels the distance and damages everything along the path, the secondary targets just aren't slowed. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:08 ticklishmusic wrote: you know whats actually pretty funny? potionmaster garen from last season is so legit right now. Hush, the Garen craze has finally ebbed for a bit. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:13 Gahlo wrote: Hush, the Garen craze has finally ebbed for a bit. Not on the chinese server! #seenwaytoomanygarensupports | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:38 zulu_nation8 wrote: I think people will play melees less and less now I also think it's hilarious that Hec is finally being played by Asians/Gambit. For a jungler in 5s, doing full clears when you would normally do a half or buff only clear pays exponential dividends later on. At a highish level arranged game and/or with a comp that has carries who peak at midgame, and/or needs gold. It is generally better to jungle defensively rather than offensively. In a jungler matchup where one jungler is guaranteed more cs at mid game than another, it forces the other team to make early plays so to avoid losing mid game fights. The old excuse for Hecarim was, he needs too much gold to be effective 5s. While it is true he is not as item efficient, he really only needs a little more gold than everyone else. u need to pick aggressive lanes to compensate for his earlygame. i believe he is not first pick worthy in his flexibility or strength (in that picking superior lanes and saving such picks can destroy him with good organization) but like the vast majority of champs he is an strong situational pick. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck. Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top. I feel so defenseless now if I don't start with a ward ;_; | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:12 onlywonderboy wrote: The wording is a little weird, from what I can tell from playing is the skill doesn't hit and explode like a Vi punch, it's more like Zyra's roots where it just travels the distance and damages everything along the path, the secondary targets just aren't slowed. 0.7 AP ratio on a point-and-click AOE nuke with utility is very good. It's the base damage that is really bad. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:16 onlywonderboy wrote: I feel so defenseless now if I don't start with a ward ;_; Yeap, prefer flask + 2pot + ward(wait 10s), although I normally open 9pot + 2ward Lissandra seems quite cool otherwise but her passive's really ass. If it was something interesting she'd be far better. imagine Diana passive on her. Her Q is a skillshot or a targeted ability? Also if her ult has an all right range it's apparently an instant ranged stun, makes for amazing ganking. By the way, there's a ton of good-looking female AP mages in the game, but why are all the male mages ugly / weird / silly? Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer? I guess Vladimir? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also you probably forgot TF, the Lady Killer. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:24 Shikyo wrote: Yeap, prefer flask + 2pot + ward(wait 10s), although I normally open 9pot + 2ward Lissandra seems quite cool otherwise but her passive's really ass. If it was something interesting she'd be far better. imagine Diana passive on her. Her Q is a skillshot or a targeted ability? Also if her ult has an all right range it's apparently an instant ranged stun, makes for amazing ganking. By the way, there's a ton of good-looking female AP mages in the game, but why are all the male mages ugly / weird / silly? Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer? I guess Vladimir? Tits sell yo. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer? AP Tryndamere obviously. | ||
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