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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 05:47:21
April 04 2013 05:46 GMT
#1061
Honestly, I wouldn't mind the cost increase if Riot decided to bump up its late game stats. Do the same for blue pot too, in fact. Makes buying an Elixir a more meaningful choice (more gold dumped, larger stat spike).

Also, red pot start was so annoying, thank god. I was starting to see ADCs start with it.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 04 2013 05:47 GMT
#1062
On April 04 2013 14:45 Parnage wrote:
Isn't a reason to nerf red pot the fact that everyone from mids to ad carry was buying it to try and bait kills/keep themselves in lane longer then they would otherwise?

I think it really was dumb how one could just chill at like 100 hp without a worry because they'd still win the commitment(think Renekton), and even after that they then would have the advantage for 4 minutes... Instant 250+ hp healing just as a potion would probably be worth like... over 100 gold, so the stats are just a bonus -> It was too cost-efficient.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 04 2013 05:51 GMT
#1063
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 04 2013 05:56 GMT
#1064
Only time I ever thought red elixer was a good start was for 1v2ers, everything else is was just dumb.

Not that I didn't use it. =]
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 04 2013 05:58 GMT
#1065
On April 04 2013 14:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 14:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:33 sob3k wrote:
Lissandra scaling looks terrible, is she supposed to be a support? Looks like it to me.

Yeah...highest ration it .7 and that's her ult. I expected Q to be a lot higher. Not sure if her base damages are high enough to justify purchasing MagicPen. But it's clear she has a lot of utility so I guess they want to keep her damage in check.

Again if the site's correct, how is .65, .6, .6, .7 bad scaling? I can't think of too many champions with better total AP scaling... Especially when you consider her Q is same cooldown as Vladimir's and also when you consider her initiating capabilities.

Another very important thing to consider is that she has no DoT at all, which means that she's all frontloaded brust -> far scarier than Malzahar for example(who otherwise has higher damage).

About mpen, Llandry's seems wonderful. Q spam + Llandry = tons of damage, especially if Q projectile speed is decent and if it has a good range.

Yeah, I was looking at it from the wrong perspective. She has 4 nukes, so if everything was .8 or higher her damage would be insane. I wasn't making a value judgement on MagicPen, I'm just ignorant to how high the base damages have to be to make it worth while, although you make a strong case for Liandry's (for for Q the speed is okay but range is shorter then I expected)
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 04 2013 06:01 GMT
#1066
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.

Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck.

Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 06:11:54
April 04 2013 06:03 GMT
#1067
On April 04 2013 14:39 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 14:33 sob3k wrote:
Lissandra scaling looks terrible, is she supposed to be a support? Looks like it to me.

She's appropriately scaled for a champ that has 4 nukes.


Hm, I guess she is ok, ult scaling is a bit underwhelming

there are champs with much better scaling on 4 nukes, brand for instance (lol ap ezreal), plus his passive. But I guess she looks ok, you are trading 1.0 ult scaling for lots of utilty on her.

Her Q looks realllly short range from the vid, i guess you hit with the blow though....wonder how far that goes

That passive is really fucking lame though, either it does like nothing or its just a big gimp to her kit that slows her down a ton. She should get a real passive and they just adjust her costs to how they want her to play out.

ALSO release skin: Red Lissandra! lol, I thought they were done with palette swaps
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 04 2013 06:05 GMT
#1068
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.

Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck.

Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top.

It thought it was Flask3. With Elixer going away as a start, most likely, whether people start Flask3 or mass pots will depend on their resource. I wish you could still go elixer ward 3pot though.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 04 2013 06:08 GMT
#1069
you know whats actually pretty funny?

potionmaster garen from last season is so legit right now.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 06:14:24
April 04 2013 06:12 GMT
#1070
On April 04 2013 15:03 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 14:39 TheYango wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:33 sob3k wrote:
Lissandra scaling looks terrible, is she supposed to be a support? Looks like it to me.

She's appropriately scaled for a champ that has 4 nukes.


Hm, I guess she is ok, ult scaling is a bit underwhelming

there are champs with much better scaling on 4 nukes, brand for instance (lol ap ezreal), plus his passive. But I guess she looks ok, you are trading 1.0 ult scaling for lots of utilty on her.

Her Q looks realllly short range from the vid, i guess you hit with the blow though....wonder how far that goes

That passive is really fucking lame though, either it does like nothing or its just a big gimp to her kit that slows her down a ton. She should get a real passive and they just adjust her costs to how they want her to play out.


The wording is a little weird, from what I can tell from playing is the skill doesn't hit and explode like a Vi punch, it's more like Zyra's roots where it just travels the distance and damages everything along the path, the secondary targets just aren't slowed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 04 2013 06:13 GMT
#1071
On April 04 2013 15:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
you know whats actually pretty funny?

potionmaster garen from last season is so legit right now.

Hush, the Garen craze has finally ebbed for a bit.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
April 04 2013 06:14 GMT
#1072
On April 04 2013 15:13 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 15:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
you know whats actually pretty funny?

potionmaster garen from last season is so legit right now.

Hush, the Garen craze has finally ebbed for a bit.


Not on the chinese server!

#seenwaytoomanygarensupports
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 04 2013 06:15 GMT
#1073
On April 04 2013 14:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think people will play melees less and less now

I also think it's hilarious that Hec is finally being played by Asians/Gambit.

For a jungler in 5s, doing full clears when you would normally do a half or buff only clear pays exponential dividends later on. At a highish level arranged game and/or with a comp that has carries who peak at midgame, and/or needs gold. It is generally better to jungle defensively rather than offensively. In a jungler matchup where one jungler is guaranteed more cs at mid game than another, it forces the other team to make early plays so to avoid losing mid game fights. The old excuse for Hecarim was, he needs too much gold to be effective 5s. While it is true he is not as item efficient, he really only needs a little more gold than everyone else.


u need to pick aggressive lanes to compensate for his earlygame. i believe he is not first pick worthy in his flexibility or strength (in that picking superior lanes and saving such picks can destroy him with good organization) but like the vast majority of champs he is an strong situational pick.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 04 2013 06:16 GMT
#1074
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.

Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck.

Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top.

I feel so defenseless now if I don't start with a ward ;_;
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 04 2013 06:20 GMT
#1075
Legendary Anivia skin~~~~
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 04 2013 06:21 GMT
#1076
On April 04 2013 15:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 15:03 sob3k wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:39 TheYango wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:33 sob3k wrote:
Lissandra scaling looks terrible, is she supposed to be a support? Looks like it to me.

She's appropriately scaled for a champ that has 4 nukes.


Hm, I guess she is ok, ult scaling is a bit underwhelming

there are champs with much better scaling on 4 nukes, brand for instance (lol ap ezreal), plus his passive. But I guess she looks ok, you are trading 1.0 ult scaling for lots of utilty on her.

Her Q looks realllly short range from the vid, i guess you hit with the blow though....wonder how far that goes

That passive is really fucking lame though, either it does like nothing or its just a big gimp to her kit that slows her down a ton. She should get a real passive and they just adjust her costs to how they want her to play out.


The wording is a little weird, from what I can tell from playing is the skill doesn't hit and explode like a Vi punch, it's more like Zyra's roots where it just travels the distance and damages everything along the path, the secondary targets just aren't slowed.


0.7 AP ratio on a point-and-click AOE nuke with utility is very good. It's the base damage that is really bad.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 06:34:30
April 04 2013 06:24 GMT
#1077
On April 04 2013 15:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.

Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck.

Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top.

I feel so defenseless now if I don't start with a ward ;_;

Yeap, prefer flask + 2pot + ward(wait 10s), although I normally open 9pot + 2ward

Lissandra seems quite cool otherwise but her passive's really ass. If it was something interesting she'd be far better. imagine Diana passive on her.

Her Q is a skillshot or a targeted ability?

Also if her ult has an all right range it's apparently an instant ranged stun, makes for amazing ganking.


By the way, there's a ton of good-looking female AP mages in the game, but why are all the male mages ugly / weird / silly? Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer?

I guess Vladimir?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 04 2013 06:37 GMT
#1078
I like Swain's limp. It has more character than a lot of stuff, if only by the fact that it's supposedly impairing him, and not some badass/classy particularity.

Also you probably forgot TF, the Lady Killer.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 04 2013 06:39 GMT
#1079
On April 04 2013 15:24 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 15:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 04 2013 15:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On April 04 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
Red elixir opening was almost getting as stale as S2 boots opening.

Beyond the obligatorily large number of health pots they'd bring with to start (making pushing them out annoying in and of itself) and/or a ward to prevent jungle pressure, they can just hold onto it forever making it dangerous for any kind of commit until lateish lane phase (definitely no early aggression, not without jungle pressure). Frustrating as all heck.

Since we're on the topic of starts, what do you guys think of flask+4 pot starts in mid/top lane? It's turned into a standard opening for me on Irelia; the extra mana allows for an extra rotation of EWQ per fountain vacation, which has been more then slightly helpful in 1v1s top.

I feel so defenseless now if I don't start with a ward ;_;

Yeap, prefer flask + 2pot + ward(wait 10s), although I normally open 9pot + 2ward

Lissandra seems quite cool otherwise but her passive's really ass. If it was something interesting she'd be far better. imagine Diana passive on her.

Her Q is a skillshot or a targeted ability?

Also if her ult has an all right range it's apparently an instant ranged stun, makes for amazing ganking.


By the way, there's a ton of good-looking female AP mages in the game, but why are all the male mages ugly / weird / silly? Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer?

I guess Vladimir?

Tits sell yo.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 04 2013 06:41 GMT
#1080
Where's the boss AP Garen / Darius / whatever type? Normal male sorcerer?

AP Tryndamere obviously.
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