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On April 04 2013 09:27 .AK wrote:
Hey all, I recently got back into playing some LoL and have a few questions about the changes in the game since I left, namely Season 3. I decided to focus on ad carry and ignore learning anything else for a while.
-What are some good/bad matchups for bot lane? I know at that my skill level a good player will when any lane but I don't want to set myself up for failure in the picking screen. I see a lot of Cait and Draven at my level and don't have either of them so learning how to counterplay them would be nice.
-Did the Season 3 item updates change anything for ad carry's builds? Truth be told I have played four games and haven't even looked at the new items so knowing some of the standard builds would be helpful. Right now I am still going to the old trifecta of IE/PD/LW which has been working fairly well but feels outdated.
I stopped playing with the release of Jayce and any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I am really late on this but grats on the modship Mr. Bear from the moon
Ahh sheet and Yango, mods all over the place
I'm an ADC main around silver 2 so take my opinion for what its worth but I don't think you can really be countered ADC wise. Its mostly about supports. Probably the closest thing I can think of to a harcounter is something like caitlyn lulu vs vayne. Other than that you can pick pretty much any adc. And be fine against anyone.
Counterplay to caitlyn is to play safe early and then stomp her after 6 because she can't use her ult in duels. Against draven as long as you go even and aren't caitlyn you should be in good shape.
Standard item builds are pretty much the same with a static shiv instead of PD sometimes. Or bork first on vayne if you wanna be spunky.
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Note to self : 6 BTs Zed isn't really THAT effective 
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On April 04 2013 06:34 [SuNdae] wrote:
It pretty much seems that western scene has a ton to grow in all regards compared to say Korea.
I just don't get how this situation has been like this for so long. People and teams need to understand that what they're doing is a serious business and should be handled with the respect it deserves. Seems to me that western lol scene is just boys playing at being pro gamers. It's ok if you don't know how to handle contracts, but you should have enough sense to hire someone that does.
i'm pretty sure riot doesn't care because LCS-teams poaching players just means that they would presumably still get (relatively) high quality players in LCS. and salaried money in LCS is way bigger than a challenger team could hope to provide.
would you sign a contract for a team that maybe pays you $100/month, knowing that a $30k/yr. salary looms in the background, along with the prestige of playing in LCS that would help you generate stream income?
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On April 04 2013 09:46 mr_tolkien wrote:Note to self : 6 BTs Zed isn't really THAT effective
You can probably insta-gib someone with Zed off 2 BTs and some other Offensive items. (Bruta, LW, etc). Don't think you need that many BTs.
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I'm cool with characters that look different than previous characters.
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On April 04 2013 08:18 Alaric wrote:
You go from 1s downtime to 0.6s downtime on W, that's pretty marginal, especially considering that currently W lasts 2 seconds faster. Since I'm going to max out CDR on Trundle anyway, I'd rather have it last longer (I like to stack CDR whenever I can on Jax, just because his E is so critical to his survival late game against auto-attackers).
The difference is that by casting it more you can chase things a whole lot better than before since right now you spend so much time off your W ground when you're chasing. In that sense he's a lot more sticky even if he lost his CC reduction.
Some parts of Trundle's kit are tradeoffs for sure, perhaps this is one of them.
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On April 04 2013 09:43 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:27 .AK wrote:
Hey all, I recently got back into playing some LoL and have a few questions about the changes in the game since I left, namely Season 3. I decided to focus on ad carry and ignore learning anything else for a while.
-What are some good/bad matchups for bot lane? I know at that my skill level a good player will when any lane but I don't want to set myself up for failure in the picking screen. I see a lot of Cait and Draven at my level and don't have either of them so learning how to counterplay them would be nice.
-Did the Season 3 item updates change anything for ad carry's builds? Truth be told I have played four games and haven't even looked at the new items so knowing some of the standard builds would be helpful. Right now I am still going to the old trifecta of IE/PD/LW which has been working fairly well but feels outdated.
I stopped playing with the release of Jayce and any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I am really late on this but grats on the modship Mr. Bear from the moon
Ahh sheet and Yango, mods all over the place I'm an ADC main around silver 2 so take my opinion for what its worth but I don't think you can really be countered ADC wise. Its mostly about supports. Probably the closest thing I can think of to a harcounter is something like caitlyn lulu vs vayne. Other than that you can pick pretty much any adc. And be fine against anyone. Counterplay to caitlyn is to play safe early and then stomp her after 6 because she can't use her ult in duels. Against draven as long as you go even and aren't caitlyn you should be in good shape. Standard item builds are pretty much the same with a static shiv instead of PD sometimes. Or bork first on vayne if you wanna be spunky.
Draven shits on vayne a lot harder than cait.
I'd recommend learning cait and varus.Draven is really good too but it will take time to get good at him.
You can go bork on varus in some situations for the ultimate peel but other than that it's not a very good item.Sort of ok if they have a tank team and you are behind since you'll do more dmg with it+lw instead of ie+zeal.
Only way to beat cait is to outplay her.There is no magic items/simple thing you can do  .Against draven you just need to poke him early and try to grab a kill.Use exhaust and other slows/knockbacks w/e to prevent him from catching axes in an all in.If you don't get a kill early lane will be quite hard as his sustain is kind of broken.
As for counterpicks I'd say cait(skill mu)/varus(a VERY well played ashe) beat draven and against cait anything can work but you have to outplay her.Generally easiest with draven/ez/ashe/varus.
Also draven is REALLY strong even if you go even.Don't listen to these confused people who seem to think he falls off >.>.
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On April 04 2013 10:01 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:43 RagequitBM wrote:On April 04 2013 09:27 .AK wrote:
Hey all, I recently got back into playing some LoL and have a few questions about the changes in the game since I left, namely Season 3. I decided to focus on ad carry and ignore learning anything else for a while.
-What are some good/bad matchups for bot lane? I know at that my skill level a good player will when any lane but I don't want to set myself up for failure in the picking screen. I see a lot of Cait and Draven at my level and don't have either of them so learning how to counterplay them would be nice.
-Did the Season 3 item updates change anything for ad carry's builds? Truth be told I have played four games and haven't even looked at the new items so knowing some of the standard builds would be helpful. Right now I am still going to the old trifecta of IE/PD/LW which has been working fairly well but feels outdated.
I stopped playing with the release of Jayce and any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I am really late on this but grats on the modship Mr. Bear from the moon
Ahh sheet and Yango, mods all over the place I'm an ADC main around silver 2 so take my opinion for what its worth but I don't think you can really be countered ADC wise. Its mostly about supports. Probably the closest thing I can think of to a harcounter is something like caitlyn lulu vs vayne. Other than that you can pick pretty much any adc. And be fine against anyone. Counterplay to caitlyn is to play safe early and then stomp her after 6 because she can't use her ult in duels. Against draven as long as you go even and aren't caitlyn you should be in good shape. Standard item builds are pretty much the same with a static shiv instead of PD sometimes. Or bork first on vayne if you wanna be spunky. Draven shits on vayne a lot harder than cait. I'd recommend learning cait and varus.Draven is really good too but it will take time to get good at him. You can go bork on varus in some situations for the ultimate peel but other than that it's not a very good item.Sort of ok if they have a tank team and you are behind since you'll do more dmg with it+lw instead of ie+zeal. Only way to beat cait is to outplay her.There is no magic items/simple thing you can do .Against draven you just need to poke him early and try to grab a kill.Use exhaust and other slows/knockbacks w/e to prevent him from catching axes in an all in.If you don't get a kill early lane will be quite hard as his sustain is kind of broken. As for counterpicks I'd say cait(skill mu)/varus(a VERY well played ashe) beat draven and against cait anything can work but you have to outplay her.Generally easiest with draven/ez/ashe/varus. Also draven is REALLY strong even if you go even.Don't listen to these confused people who seem to think he falls off >.>.
Thanks for the replies. Makes sense but unfortunately the only ad carries I have right now are Graves, Trist, and Ashe. I was looking at Varus next so he seems like an easy pick up. And tbh even if I had Draven I probably wouldn't play him because he just feels like such a punk :p, I am already feeling a strong hatred and I've played against the guy like 3 times hehe. Hmmm, are there any good ad carry streams that I could look into?
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On April 04 2013 10:10 .AK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:01 nafta wrote:On April 04 2013 09:43 RagequitBM wrote:On April 04 2013 09:27 .AK wrote:
Hey all, I recently got back into playing some LoL and have a few questions about the changes in the game since I left, namely Season 3. I decided to focus on ad carry and ignore learning anything else for a while.
-What are some good/bad matchups for bot lane? I know at that my skill level a good player will when any lane but I don't want to set myself up for failure in the picking screen. I see a lot of Cait and Draven at my level and don't have either of them so learning how to counterplay them would be nice.
-Did the Season 3 item updates change anything for ad carry's builds? Truth be told I have played four games and haven't even looked at the new items so knowing some of the standard builds would be helpful. Right now I am still going to the old trifecta of IE/PD/LW which has been working fairly well but feels outdated.
I stopped playing with the release of Jayce and any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I am really late on this but grats on the modship Mr. Bear from the moon
Ahh sheet and Yango, mods all over the place I'm an ADC main around silver 2 so take my opinion for what its worth but I don't think you can really be countered ADC wise. Its mostly about supports. Probably the closest thing I can think of to a harcounter is something like caitlyn lulu vs vayne. Other than that you can pick pretty much any adc. And be fine against anyone. Counterplay to caitlyn is to play safe early and then stomp her after 6 because she can't use her ult in duels. Against draven as long as you go even and aren't caitlyn you should be in good shape. Standard item builds are pretty much the same with a static shiv instead of PD sometimes. Or bork first on vayne if you wanna be spunky. Draven shits on vayne a lot harder than cait. I'd recommend learning cait and varus.Draven is really good too but it will take time to get good at him. You can go bork on varus in some situations for the ultimate peel but other than that it's not a very good item.Sort of ok if they have a tank team and you are behind since you'll do more dmg with it+lw instead of ie+zeal. Only way to beat cait is to outplay her.There is no magic items/simple thing you can do .Against draven you just need to poke him early and try to grab a kill.Use exhaust and other slows/knockbacks w/e to prevent him from catching axes in an all in.If you don't get a kill early lane will be quite hard as his sustain is kind of broken. As for counterpicks I'd say cait(skill mu)/varus(a VERY well played ashe) beat draven and against cait anything can work but you have to outplay her.Generally easiest with draven/ez/ashe/varus. Also draven is REALLY strong even if you go even.Don't listen to these confused people who seem to think he falls off >.>. Thanks for the replies. Makes sense but unfortunately the only ad carries I have right now are Graves, Trist, and Ashe. I was looking at Varus next so he seems like an easy pick up. And tbh even if I had Draven I probably wouldn't play him because he just feels like such a punk :p, I am already feeling a strong hatred and I've played against the guy like 3 times hehe. Hmmm, are there any good ad carry streams that I could look into?
Not really aware of any good adc streamers but you could always watch krepo or other supports.
I find it rather hilarious that wings asks a vayne/taric why aren't they pushing as fast as cait/sona when vayne started red elixir even lolz.
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On April 04 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:01 MoonBear wrote:On April 04 2013 08:58 Simberto wrote:
Does she at least have the good old cliché "if everything is covered in ice i have ended all suffering, thus i am the good one!" motivation? Only unless we get some really ice puns. That would be cool.
Don't need to buy a frozen heart on her, she already has one.
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On April 04 2013 10:10 .AK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:01 nafta wrote:On April 04 2013 09:43 RagequitBM wrote:On April 04 2013 09:27 .AK wrote:
Hey all, I recently got back into playing some LoL and have a few questions about the changes in the game since I left, namely Season 3. I decided to focus on ad carry and ignore learning anything else for a while.
-What are some good/bad matchups for bot lane? I know at that my skill level a good player will when any lane but I don't want to set myself up for failure in the picking screen. I see a lot of Cait and Draven at my level and don't have either of them so learning how to counterplay them would be nice.
-Did the Season 3 item updates change anything for ad carry's builds? Truth be told I have played four games and haven't even looked at the new items so knowing some of the standard builds would be helpful. Right now I am still going to the old trifecta of IE/PD/LW which has been working fairly well but feels outdated.
I stopped playing with the release of Jayce and any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I am really late on this but grats on the modship Mr. Bear from the moon
Ahh sheet and Yango, mods all over the place I'm an ADC main around silver 2 so take my opinion for what its worth but I don't think you can really be countered ADC wise. Its mostly about supports. Probably the closest thing I can think of to a harcounter is something like caitlyn lulu vs vayne. Other than that you can pick pretty much any adc. And be fine against anyone. Counterplay to caitlyn is to play safe early and then stomp her after 6 because she can't use her ult in duels. Against draven as long as you go even and aren't caitlyn you should be in good shape. Standard item builds are pretty much the same with a static shiv instead of PD sometimes. Or bork first on vayne if you wanna be spunky. Draven shits on vayne a lot harder than cait. I'd recommend learning cait and varus.Draven is really good too but it will take time to get good at him. You can go bork on varus in some situations for the ultimate peel but other than that it's not a very good item.Sort of ok if they have a tank team and you are behind since you'll do more dmg with it+lw instead of ie+zeal. Only way to beat cait is to outplay her.There is no magic items/simple thing you can do .Against draven you just need to poke him early and try to grab a kill.Use exhaust and other slows/knockbacks w/e to prevent him from catching axes in an all in.If you don't get a kill early lane will be quite hard as his sustain is kind of broken. As for counterpicks I'd say cait(skill mu)/varus(a VERY well played ashe) beat draven and against cait anything can work but you have to outplay her.Generally easiest with draven/ez/ashe/varus. Also draven is REALLY strong even if you go even.Don't listen to these confused people who seem to think he falls off >.>. Thanks for the replies. Makes sense but unfortunately the only ad carries I have right now are Graves, Trist, and Ashe. I was looking at Varus next so he seems like an easy pick up. And tbh even if I had Draven I probably wouldn't play him because he just feels like such a punk :p, I am already feeling a strong hatred and I've played against the guy like 3 times hehe. Hmmm, are there any good ad carry streams that I could look into?
Trist and Ashe got a pretty sweet AS growth buff in S3 so you'll like that.
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twitch is your best bet as a counter vs cait, he does very well vs her in lane since you can bypass her harass with stealth and engage on her at will. of course like every bot lane it depends on the supports but he is the most consistent at beating cait. Even tying with her you have a massive advantage as your teamfight is 10x better.
varus and tristana also do well vs her
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Caitlyn is the best pick vs Draven I find. She's got the range that she can CS easily without Draven popping off a free axe throw to your face, can easily disengage should draven ever try to W and run up to Cait. Do not pick Ezreal/Vayne vs Draven, 'tis suicide.I think Trist is okay vs Draven too. Only pick Vayne if the other AD is already picked and is not a) Caitlyn or b) Draven.
Don't pick Ezreal anymore, he's not good.
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On April 04 2013 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On April 04 2013 09:01 MoonBear wrote:On April 04 2013 08:58 Simberto wrote:
Does she at least have the good old cliché "if everything is covered in ice i have ended all suffering, thus i am the good one!" motivation? Only unless we get some really ice puns. That would be cool. Don't need to buy a frozen heart on her, she already has one.
More puns, guys. TL has to stay frosty.
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On April 04 2013 10:10 .AK wrote:
Thanks for the replies. Makes sense but unfortunately the only ad carries I have right now are Graves, Trist, and Ashe. I was looking at Varus next so he seems like an easy pick up. And tbh even if I had Draven I probably wouldn't play him because he just feels like such a punk :p, I am already feeling a strong hatred and I've played against the guy like 3 times hehe. Hmmm, are there any good ad carry streams that I could look into?
imaqtpie is starting to stream; Doublelift now streams on Azubutv. Yellowpete streams, and Chaox may still stream. Those are the big ones. Honestly, good ADC streams are actually hard to find, compared to top/mid/jungle, and even support these days. Unless you want to watch Destiny play nothing but Draven.
In terms of champions to pick up as an ADC:
Caitlyn is hugely popular right now. replacing the long reign of MF's FotM status who still remains close competition. Other big and very viable ADCs include Draven, Graves, Varus, Vayne, and Draven. Ezreal. Twitch is very unpopular, but he could be viable. Ashe, and Kog'maw are highly situational picks (and largely unpopular), while Sivir, Quinn, and Corki are currently hugely out of favor.
Basically if you want to follow meta, grab Cait+MF. Based on the ADCs you already have, Trist is better then Graves in the current meta (long range, disengages, also late game hypercarry status, plus one of the top ADCs for a BotRK).
FAKE EDIT: Oh wait, I missed giant enemy crab? What was his name again?
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Draven and Twitch are must learn champions right now. They definitely supplement proper laning early on. Meaning they're good early on and scale to awsum if you're doing everything right.
I'm still up in the air about Varus. He's obviously good in heavy CC comp but shit Chains 2nd hardest ultimate to land, amirite?
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On April 04 2013 10:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
Draven and Twitch are must learn champions right now. They definitely supplement proper laning early on. Meaning they're good early on and scale to awsum if you're doing everything right.
I'm still up in the air about Varus. He's obviously good in heavy CC comp but shit Chains 2nd hardest ultimate to land, amirite?
Draven maybe, Twitch is eh. Pick rates, it's Caitlyn+MF (all the damn MFs bro; damn ultbots <_<). And honestly, Trist, Vayne, and even Ezreal (still, no longer League of Ezreal after the multiple nerfs though, even if base AS nerf still throws me off in CSing) are strong and popular in the current ADC meta, as is Draven. Twitch is definitely viable, but eh. He's kind of Koggish.
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On April 04 2013 10:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:On April 04 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On April 04 2013 09:01 MoonBear wrote:On April 04 2013 08:58 Simberto wrote:
Does she at least have the good old cliché "if everything is covered in ice i have ended all suffering, thus i am the good one!" motivation? Only unless we get some really ice puns. That would be cool. Don't need to buy a frozen heart on her, she already has one. More puns, guys. TL has to stay frosty.
I love it when we do this, it's so cool.
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On April 04 2013 10:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
Draven and Twitch are must learn champions right now. They definitely supplement proper laning early on. Meaning they're good early on and scale to awsum if you're doing everything right.
I'm still up in the air about Varus. He's obviously good in heavy CC comp but shit Chains 2nd hardest ultimate to land, amirite?
It's super slow animation for it; such a long travel time. The only thing that's longer in travel time is karthus auto attack.
Varus is extremely power, his lane dominance and midgame power spike is pretty silly not to ignore, especially considering how blight stack works he can chunk through tanks HARD. I'm really surprised how viable he is with no real strong form of escape; I think the strong ward coverage of s3 made him viable as fuck (since no escape).
On April 04 2013 10:58 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On April 04 2013 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:On April 04 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On April 04 2013 09:01 MoonBear wrote:On April 04 2013 08:58 Simberto wrote:
Does she at least have the good old cliché "if everything is covered in ice i have ended all suffering, thus i am the good one!" motivation? Only unless we get some really ice puns. That would be cool. Don't need to buy a frozen heart on her, she already has one. More puns, guys. TL has to stay frosty. I love it when we do this, it's so cool.
If you're using the same pun twice, you're not gunna have a Ice time.
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On April 04 2013 10:58 wei2coolman wrote:
It's super slow animation for it; such a long travel time. The only thing that's longer in travel time is karthus auto attack.
Varus is extremely power, his lane dominance and midgame power spike is pretty silly not to ignore, especially considering how blight stack works he can chunk through tanks HARD. I'm really surprised how viable he is with no real strong form of escape; I think the strong ward coverage of s3 made him viable as fuck (since no escape).
Agreed: despite low mobility, the CC he brings is nearly Ashe level (AoE slow and AoE root), and his base damages are really good if you hit the spells. I tried a max Q over max E second on him once: it was rather funny how much your poke chunks squishies with only a BT in the midgame.
Plus slightly longer AA range sets him out from the pack abit.
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