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United States15536 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.
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thanks for all the support guys!
afaik, evaniskus is not going to GGU. i think it's highly likely that lemon will get the call-up, and with the turmoil that wildturtle's departure has caused so far, he might take it. i have no insider information to back this up though. just my hunch. could be evan. that would be shitty.
anyway all this challenger team poaching is really really unhealthy and i'm going to see what i can do about it. if the 8 teams in LCS are always allowed to just buy out the best challenger players, they'll be the only 8 teams in the LCS forever. i've brought up this concern with riot and they disagree, basically telling me that the challenger circuit is meant to breed players not teams, and that taking players 1 by 1 as fresh blood into LCS is what they want. disappointing but i'm going to see what i can do to change that.
these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys, nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess
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United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.
Having the Challenger tier teams getting their players poached is kind of lane, but having a locked in roster would be a terrible change imo. If a team thinks they can improve with a roster change why make them wait until the mid season break? Teams don't have enough subs to just change out players on the fly. Especially for the bottom teams there's no reason to have them continue to flounder when they can start building team synergy with a new member and hopefully re-qualify for the second half of the season.
Edit: Yeah, Riot has kind of made it clear they are more interested in the Challenger series being like a farm league for future LCS players.
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On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.
Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.
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On April 03 2013 17:51 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 16:56 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:Thanks to whoever suggested jungle Morg with utility masteries. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pO32hu7.jpg) I want to do some more testing before I jump on ranked (zhonyas rush vs liandry's rush [after ap stone ofc]), but it's a lot of fun to play her :3 ya its pretty decent eh? I had like 5 game winstreak with it like 3-1, 5-2, 6-1, 4-2 etc... Just watch the fuck out for getting raped by like lee sin/xin duelists jungles at red/wraiths in your own jungle, its pretty brutal if it happens. Get like oneshot by lee at wraiths with Q on CD=bad rest of game. If you are going against someone like that it could be a good idea to get teh explorer ward and ward your own jungle entrance. They are buffing Q mana cost next patch it looks like too!
I've actually been playing it a lot lately too and I must say it's really good.
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United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken. Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.
He took a pay hit so he could play with Wade and Bosh, that's just a salary cap issue.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
I think it was always expected since the subs for LCS teams can be starters on challenger teams. At least they have a trade deadline...could you imagine CLG having to face jiji's team for relegation and they call him up to start? GFG. I don't think the system is all that bad but maybe moving the trade deadline up will make things better.
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On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken. Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.
Because he doesn't make enough? Nothing against Lebron in particular, I think all athletes are overpaid.
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United States15536 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken. Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.
I'm sure there are MANY MANY bad things about these kinds of arrangements, but some form of protection for players (to avoid being screwed over by teams) and teams (to avoid being screwed over by players) would certainly be welcome, right?
I mean, I'll admit I don't know nearly enough about real sports where this stuff exists, but SOMETHING like this needs to happen eventually. Then people like gtrsrs and his teammates don't get royally fucked without recompense.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Do you guys know if Taiwain/SEA is getting represented at the all-star game?
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Can anyone link official information given by Riot about this Allstar stuff that's been happening recently?
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United States23745 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:25 Headshot wrote:
Can anyone link official information given by Riot about this Allstar stuff that's been happening recently?
As far as I know pros and stuff have been talking about playing international teams but Riot hasn't officially stated anything about their involvement yet.
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Dyrus knows what's up: Win + Sleep = Happiness. Is Annunciation "t"s like he does in certain an important a Hawaiian thing or does he just have good annunciation?
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On April 04 2013 03:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken. Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements. I'm sure there are MANY MANY bad things about these kinds of arrangements, but some form of protection for players (to avoid being screwed over by teams) and teams (to avoid being screwed over by players) would certainly be welcome, right? I mean, I'll admit I don't know nearly enough about real sports where this stuff exists, but SOMETHING like this needs to happen eventually. Then people like gtrsrs and his teammates don't get royally fucked without recompense.
it's not a players union needed but an owners union. and when the biggest owner doesn't care (riot) and the biggest owner has exponentially more clout than challenger tier teams, they cannot create an effective union.
On April 04 2013 03:04 gtrsrs wrote:
these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys, nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess
i do think it's the players' fault since they have to step up as well, but i don't think the solution to that is cut existing players and add more players. and the sad part is that this is the prevailing attitude in american sports. i don't know how many bad trade proposals i've heard over sports talk radio from fans. i remember last year earlier in the la clippers season, the fans were calling for the coach to be fired because they were underperforming. well, they made a run in the playoffs. and now i have not heard a single call for his head, although i bet we will because they're slumping right now even though they had like a 14 game winning streak earlier in the season.
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On April 04 2013 03:18 3 Lions wrote:
Do you guys know if Taiwain/SEA is getting represented at the all-star game?
Well tbh...a Taiwan/SEA all-star team would pretty much consist of all TPA/TPS players...
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United States15536 Posts
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On April 04 2013 03:04 gtrsrs wrote:
these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys,nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess
Considering your posts before defending certain players who are known to be asses, I am just going to say flat out that you are seriously lacking in character judgment for your role in managing a team. Don't hold your players up to a pedestal. Especially when the community has warned you about them in the first place. This is on top of the irony that not long ago, your players already chose to ditch your own sponsor DNG for Velocity in the first place.
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Other than the passive looks like a pretty fun champ.Hope she doesn't dissapoint.
Also dat translation.
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I watched one episode to get more information about Chaox getting kicked and I am hooked now GG
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