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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 03 2013 18:04 GMT
#841
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 03 2013 18:04 GMT
#842
thanks for all the support guys!

afaik, evaniskus is not going to GGU. i think it's highly likely that lemon will get the call-up, and with the turmoil that wildturtle's departure has caused so far, he might take it. i have no insider information to back this up though. just my hunch. could be evan. that would be shitty.

anyway all this challenger team poaching is really really unhealthy and i'm going to see what i can do about it. if the 8 teams in LCS are always allowed to just buy out the best challenger players, they'll be the only 8 teams in the LCS forever. i've brought up this concern with riot and they disagree, basically telling me that the challenger circuit is meant to breed players not teams, and that taking players 1 by 1 as fresh blood into LCS is what they want. disappointing but i'm going to see what i can do to change that.

these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys, nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 18:10:15
April 03 2013 18:07 GMT
#843
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.

Having the Challenger tier teams getting their players poached is kind of lane, but having a locked in roster would be a terrible change imo. If a team thinks they can improve with a roster change why make them wait until the mid season break? Teams don't have enough subs to just change out players on the fly. Especially for the bottom teams there's no reason to have them continue to flounder when they can start building team synergy with a new member and hopefully re-qualify for the second half of the season.

Edit: Yeah, Riot has kind of made it clear they are more interested in the Challenger series being like a farm league for future LCS players.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 03 2013 18:08 GMT
#844
On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.


Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#845
On April 03 2013 17:51 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 16:56 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
Thanks to whoever suggested jungle Morg with utility masteries.
[image loading]
I want to do some more testing before I jump on ranked (zhonyas rush vs liandry's rush [after ap stone ofc]), but it's a lot of fun to play her :3


ya its pretty decent eh? I had like 5 game winstreak with it like 3-1, 5-2, 6-1, 4-2 etc...

Just watch the fuck out for getting raped by like lee sin/xin duelists jungles at red/wraiths in your own jungle, its pretty brutal if it happens. Get like oneshot by lee at wraiths with Q on CD=bad rest of game.

If you are going against someone like that it could be a good idea to get teh explorer ward and ward your own jungle entrance.

They are buffing Q mana cost next patch it looks like too!



I've actually been playing it a lot lately too and I must say it's really good.
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 03 2013 18:11 GMT
#846
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.


Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.

He took a pay hit so he could play with Wade and Bosh, that's just a salary cap issue.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
April 03 2013 18:12 GMT
#847
I think it was always expected since the subs for LCS teams can be starters on challenger teams. At least they have a trade deadline...could you imagine CLG having to face jiji's team for relegation and they call him up to start? GFG. I don't think the system is all that bad but maybe moving the trade deadline up will make things better.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 03 2013 18:12 GMT
#848
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.


Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.

Because he doesn't make enough? Nothing against Lebron in particular, I think all athletes are overpaid.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 03 2013 18:13 GMT
#849
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.


Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.


I'm sure there are MANY MANY bad things about these kinds of arrangements, but some form of protection for players (to avoid being screwed over by teams) and teams (to avoid being screwed over by players) would certainly be welcome, right?

I mean, I'll admit I don't know nearly enough about real sports where this stuff exists, but SOMETHING like this needs to happen eventually. Then people like gtrsrs and his teammates don't get royally fucked without recompense.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 03 2013 18:15 GMT
#850
http://www.gamespot.com/events/game-crib-tsm-snapdragon/video.html?sid=6406364
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 03 2013 18:18 GMT
#851
Do you guys know if Taiwain/SEA is getting represented at the all-star game?
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
April 03 2013 18:25 GMT
#852
Can anyone link official information given by Riot about this Allstar stuff that's been happening recently?
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 03 2013 18:33 GMT
#853
On April 04 2013 03:25 Headshot wrote:
Can anyone link official information given by Riot about this Allstar stuff that's been happening recently?

As far as I know pros and stuff have been talking about playing international teams but Riot hasn't officially stated anything about their involvement yet.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 03 2013 18:43 GMT
#854
On April 04 2013 03:15 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.gamespot.com/events/game-crib-tsm-snapdragon/video.html?sid=6406364

Dyrus knows what's up: Win + Sleep = Happiness. Is Annunciation "t"s like he does in certain an important a Hawaiian thing or does he just have good annunciation?
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 03 2013 18:46 GMT
#855
On April 04 2013 03:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:
On April 04 2013 03:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.

I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing contracts were created to prevent. I can't speak for gtrsrs's legal arrangements with Velocity's members, but normally (i.e. in other sports) this kind of rapid, unprecedented shifting would be met with some serious suing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but this is why there need to be more things like players' unions, etc. ideally. Because there are rules being broken.


Well Unions have pretty much broke the backs of players in most other sports. Lebron James should be making 2-4x his current Miami Heat salary, not including endorsements.


I'm sure there are MANY MANY bad things about these kinds of arrangements, but some form of protection for players (to avoid being screwed over by teams) and teams (to avoid being screwed over by players) would certainly be welcome, right?

I mean, I'll admit I don't know nearly enough about real sports where this stuff exists, but SOMETHING like this needs to happen eventually. Then people like gtrsrs and his teammates don't get royally fucked without recompense.

it's not a players union needed but an owners union. and when the biggest owner doesn't care (riot) and the biggest owner has exponentially more clout than challenger tier teams, they cannot create an effective union.

On April 04 2013 03:04 gtrsrs wrote:
these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys, nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess

i do think it's the players' fault since they have to step up as well, but i don't think the solution to that is cut existing players and add more players. and the sad part is that this is the prevailing attitude in american sports. i don't know how many bad trade proposals i've heard over sports talk radio from fans. i remember last year earlier in the la clippers season, the fans were calling for the coach to be fired because they were underperforming. well, they made a run in the playoffs. and now i have not heard a single call for his head, although i bet we will because they're slumping right now even though they had like a 14 game winning streak earlier in the season.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 03 2013 18:51 GMT
#856
On April 04 2013 03:18 3 Lions wrote:
Do you guys know if Taiwain/SEA is getting represented at the all-star game?

Well tbh...a Taiwan/SEA all-star team would pretty much consist of all TPA/TPS players...
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 03 2013 18:55 GMT
#857
Early Lissandra leaks! http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/04/french-lissandra-reveal.html

Dat Puck!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 03 2013 18:59 GMT
#858
On April 04 2013 03:04 gtrsrs wrote:


these last-minute trades and kicks are also extremely scummy. i'm surprised at these people that i KNOW are great guys,nice people, and good friends, would go so cut-throat at the last second. in my eyes (and in the eyes of every team owner ever in real sports), if your team is underperforming, it's your coach's fault, not the players. why cut a player when you could just practice harder? team won't practice harder? get a new coach that can inspire them to do so. burning all of these bridges is going to make these teams undesirable. but as long as they have that sweet sweet RIOT cash there'll always be some sucker to get pulled in i guess



Considering your posts before defending certain players who are known to be asses, I am just going to say flat out that you are seriously lacking in character judgment for your role in managing a team. Don't hold your players up to a pedestal. Especially when the community has warned you about them in the first place. This is on top of the irony that not long ago, your players already chose to ditch your own sponsor DNG for Velocity in the first place.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 03 2013 19:00 GMT
#859
On April 04 2013 03:55 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Early Lissandra leaks! http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/04/french-lissandra-reveal.html

Dat Puck!


Other than the passive looks like a pretty fun champ.Hope she doesn't dissapoint.

Also dat translation.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
April 03 2013 19:01 GMT
#860
On April 04 2013 03:15 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.gamespot.com/events/game-crib-tsm-snapdragon/video.html?sid=6406364

I watched one episode to get more information about Chaox getting kicked and I am hooked now GG
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