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Riot can still put some ground rules in place on what can and cant happen as far as player/team interactions go. They do have that position. Unfortunately you're right in that an owner's union that doesn't include Riot basically can't do anything.
On April 04 2013 03:07 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 02:58 sylverfyre wrote:
Ugh, this is pissing me off. I'm starting to think that LCS teams should have fixed lineup, and only be allowed to drop a starter for a sub. No trading or picking up new members until after the midseason playoffs, IMO.
I really do NOT like an LCS team taking members from a challenger team who had great hopes of becoming an LCS team for the second part of the season. Having the Challenger tier teams getting their players poached is kind of lane, but having a locked in roster would be a terrible change imo. If a team thinks they can improve with a roster change why make them wait until the mid season break? Teams don't have enough subs to just change out players on the fly. Especially for the bottom teams there's no reason to have them continue to flounder when they can start building team synergy with a new member and hopefully re-qualify for the second half of the season. Edit: Yeah, Riot has kind of made it clear they are more interested in the Challenger series being like a farm league for future LCS players.
Why? The teams still have the options of their designated substitutes for swapping players, as Marn did. As interesting as Vulcan swapping Muffinqt for Bloodwater is, I think it's TERRIBLE for professional integrity to do that 3 weeks before playoffs after one bad weekend of games.
And I agree - if a team is doing badly, look at the coaching. But we don't even see much in the way of coaching for some of these teams.
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Lets see if I can translate:
Passive: free spell every so often, hitting enemies with slowing spells reduces ICD. Nice, probably allows them to give her high mana costs though.
Q: Skillshot nuke that slows, explodes behind (probably like Graves's ult) to damage enemies as well. Sounds fine for pushing and harassing
W: Frost Nova. Because Frost Mages weren't fucking annoying in WoW.
E: Shoots a claw in a line, damaging enemies I guess? Hitting E again teleports you to the claw.
R: Single target stun on an enemy that creates an AoE zone around, damaging and slowing enemies. Alternatively, cast on self to become untargetable and create the same AoE zone.
A mage with a blink, slows, and roots. FUCKING FROST MAGES.
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On April 04 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:Lets see if I can translate: Passive: free spell every so often, hitting enemies with slowing spells reduces ICD. Nice, probably allows them to give her high mana costs though. Q: Skillshot nuke that slows, explodes behind (probably like Graves's ult) to damage enemies as well. Sounds fine for pushing and harassing W: Frost Nova. Because Frost Mages weren't fucking annoying in WoW. E: Shoots a claw in a line, damaging enemies I guess? Hitting E again teleports you to the claw. R: Single target stun on an enemy that creates an AoE zone around, damaging and slowing enemies. Alternatively, cast on self to become untargetable and create the same AoE zone. A mage with a blink, slows, and roots. FUCKING FROST MAGES.
don't forget the ability to fire the E->R self-> blink. That was like the most annoying combo in WoW to deal with for a lot of melee's.
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On April 04 2013 04:08 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:Lets see if I can translate: Passive: free spell every so often, hitting enemies with slowing spells reduces ICD. Nice, probably allows them to give her high mana costs though. Q: Skillshot nuke that slows, explodes behind (probably like Graves's ult) to damage enemies as well. Sounds fine for pushing and harassing W: Frost Nova. Because Frost Mages weren't fucking annoying in WoW. E: Shoots a claw in a line, damaging enemies I guess? Hitting E again teleports you to the claw. R: Single target stun on an enemy that creates an AoE zone around, damaging and slowing enemies. Alternatively, cast on self to become untargetable and create the same AoE zone. A mage with a blink, slows, and roots. FUCKING FROST MAGES. don't forget the ability to fire the E->R self-> blink. That was like the most annoying combo in WoW to deal with for a lot of melee's.
As someone whose main in WoW was a Ret Paladin, fuck this champ.
...as someone whose PvP alt was a Frost Mage, probably day 1 buy.
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Personally I think each team should have a 5 player main roster with 2-3 subs locked in when the season starts, and free trade can be reopened at the break between each season. Too many times I've seen the bottom 70% of teams in a league roster swap every damn tournament instead of just improving team cohesion and practice regimen. It's really lame to watch as a spectator and any person casually following the scene will have a tough time remembering the lineup of any of those teams if there is a new player on it every event.
Plus, this would give challenger teams more incentive to stick together as compared to LCS teams just taking one or two players from the team. If your teammates don't get poached by the time the season starts, it gives you a few months to stick together and improve possibly to qualify at the start of the next season. Those AM teams improving = better practice partners outside of the LCS for the teams in the LCS = general improvement for the scene and more "good" teams to look forward to. That, and everyone knows more competition will cause teams to take this more seriously.
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As long as we don't have healers as good as the ones in wow used to be it's all good.Still remember hoping for server to crash because lock/druid vs lock/druid on nagrand or some shit like that(never again).
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So she has either kayle ult or sej ult a slow aoe and gap closer seems like with a better nunu pasive and her ult also like thresh ult
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Lissandra becomes untargetable according to the French version ("s'immobiliser" should be translated as "to root oneself" according to translations up to now; the French version is already meh since it says "kiting" as is—it's not noob-friendly at all even though it's commonly used even in French conversation because the translation would take a lot more syllables). Depends if it's Fizz/Yi-like untargetable, or Vlad-like untargetable, for another E activation.
Edit: nvm, she's the most broken "untargetable" to date:
Si un ennemi mord à l'hameçon, Lissandra peut lancer Tombeau polaire sur elle-même, ce qui lui permet de résister aux dégâts le temps d'assurer la mort de son adversaire en lançant ses autres compétences.
If an enemy takes the bait [and tower-dives her], Lissandra can use her Frost Tomb [her ult] on herself, allowing her to avoid damage until she kills her opponent through the rest of her abilities.
She's untargetable but can still cast, and probably attack. Only a self-root.
Her passive makes it sound like she could be played as a poke support, if her base numbers are high enough (Zyra how the fuck are your plants allowed to hurt that much).
Also I never played WoW (pretty much half of what I know about it comes from this thread, increasing with each additional WoW discussion), is the rip-off that blatant?
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Except it's a Kayle ult that can't slow, or a Sej ult that only hits one target with the stun portion.
Likely she'll be bloody good, but require quite a bit of skill (like Frost Mages). Her teamfighting potential seems off the hook.
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On April 04 2013 04:12 samthesaluki wrote:
So she has either kayle ult or sej ult a slow aoe and gap closer seems like with a better nunu pasive and her ult also like thresh ult
Sound more like Zonyas than Kayle ulti. Its not a skill shot either.
Also a solid support probably depends on base and scaling.
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On April 04 2013 04:13 Alaric wrote:
Lissandra becomes untargetable according to the French version ("s'immobiliser" should be translated as "to root oneself" according to translations up to now; the French version is already meh since it says "kiting" as is—it's not noob-friendly at all even though it's commonly used even in French conversation because the translation would take a lot more syllables). Depends if it's Fizz/Yi-like untargetable, or Vlad-like untargetable, for another E activation.
Her passive makes it sound like she could be played as a poke support, if her base numbers are high enough (Zyra how the fuck are your plants allowed to hurt that much).
Also I never played WoW (pretty much half of what I know about it comes from this thread, increasing with each additional WoW discussion), is the rip-off that blatant?
http://leaguecraft.com/news/lissandra-the-ice-witch-revealed-5503.xhtml
Here's an English version that just came up. If it's like Ice Block, it makes you untargetable and invincible, but locks you in place for the duration and keeping you from attacking/casting. Kind of a "I need to buy a couple seconds for damage/abilities to come off CD" move.
She can likely support with that kit, but she needs to be in nearly melee for her root, so not as good as Zyra or Lux.
It's not a blatant rip-off, but nearly every spell has a corollary in the Frost Mage kit. Not a bad thing by any means, since they're pretty standard for Fantasy Ice Mage spells.
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On April 04 2013 04:13 Alaric wrote:Lissandra becomes untargetable according to the French version ("s'immobiliser" should be translated as "to root oneself" according to translations up to now; the French version is already meh since it says "kiting" as is—it's not noob-friendly at all even though it's commonly used even in French conversation because the translation would take a lot more syllables). Depends if it's Fizz/Yi-like untargetable, or Vlad-like untargetable, for another E activation. Edit: nvm, she's the most broken "untargetable" to date: Show nested quote +Si un ennemi mord à l'hameçon, Lissandra peut lancer Tombeau polaire sur elle-même, ce qui lui permet de résister aux dégâts le temps d'assurer la mort de son adversaire en lançant ses autres compétences. Show nested quote +If an enemy takes the bait [and tower-dives her], Lissandra can use her Frost Tomb [her ult] on herself, allowing her to avoid damage until she kills her opponent through the rest of her abilities. She's untargetable but can still cast, and probably attack. Only a self-root. Her passive makes it sound like she could be played as a poke support, if her base numbers are high enough (Zyra how the fuck are your plants allowed to hurt that much). Also I never played WoW (pretty much half of what I know about it comes from this thread, increasing with each additional WoW discussion), is the rip-off that blatant?
Not really, alot of melee just have bad nightmareish style flashbacks to fighting Ice mages in Wow so anything close to such is met with hostility. The best way to describe it in League terms is players talking about the nightmares of playing versus old heimer or in broodwar proxy pylons with cannons. Only worse.
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seems decent as support. i'd buy her with rp. the more heroes i can buy that play multiple roles, the better.
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On April 04 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:Lets see if I can translate: Passive: free spell every so often, hitting enemies with slowing spells reduces ICD. Nice, probably allows them to give her high mana costs though. Q: Skillshot nuke that slows, explodes behind (probably like Graves's ult) to damage enemies as well. Sounds fine for pushing and harassing W: Frost Nova. Because Frost Mages weren't fucking annoying in WoW. E: Shoots a claw in a line, damaging enemies I guess? Hitting E again teleports you to the claw. R: Single target stun on an enemy that creates an AoE zone around, damaging and slowing enemies. Alternatively, cast on self to become untargetable and create the same AoE zone. A mage with a blink, slows, and roots. FUCKING FROST MAGES.
She's basically Puck from DotA. E is Illusory Orb, W is Waning Rift with a root instead of a silence, and R is a glorified Phase Shift that can also be used like Puck's ulti (AoE disable).
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On April 04 2013 04:23 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:Lets see if I can translate: Passive: free spell every so often, hitting enemies with slowing spells reduces ICD. Nice, probably allows them to give her high mana costs though. Q: Skillshot nuke that slows, explodes behind (probably like Graves's ult) to damage enemies as well. Sounds fine for pushing and harassing W: Frost Nova. Because Frost Mages weren't fucking annoying in WoW. E: Shoots a claw in a line, damaging enemies I guess? Hitting E again teleports you to the claw. R: Single target stun on an enemy that creates an AoE zone around, damaging and slowing enemies. Alternatively, cast on self to become untargetable and create the same AoE zone. A mage with a blink, slows, and roots. FUCKING FROST MAGES. She's basically Puck from DotA. E is Illusory Orb, W is Waning Rift with a root instead of a silence, and R is a glorified Phase Shift that can also be used like Puck's ulti (AoE disable).
Eeeh, similar but not really. Puck has no slows or roots, only an AoE ministun on his ult. Lissandra has a single target stun, two slows, and a root. Illusory Orb and E are similar, sure.
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Hmm... So I think that, on random burst assassin-like characters Zhonya-initiating actually functions pretty well in solo queue at least at a pretty low elo. Most of the opponents don't seem to be able to change targets and while they wait for your Zhonyas to run out, they get destroyed by the rest of your team.
I really feel like starting to build Zhonyas on AD-casters as well <.< My first Khazix experiment worked out all right.
Also, isn't Veigar stun almost exactly the same as Puck's ult?
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On April 04 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 04:13 Alaric wrote:Lissandra becomes untargetable according to the French version ("s'immobiliser" should be translated as "to root oneself" according to translations up to now; the French version is already meh since it says "kiting" as is—it's not noob-friendly at all even though it's commonly used even in French conversation because the translation would take a lot more syllables). Depends if it's Fizz/Yi-like untargetable, or Vlad-like untargetable, for another E activation. Edit: nvm, she's the most broken "untargetable" to date: Si un ennemi mord à l'hameçon, Lissandra peut lancer Tombeau polaire sur elle-même, ce qui lui permet de résister aux dégâts le temps d'assurer la mort de son adversaire en lançant ses autres compétences. If an enemy takes the bait [and tower-dives her], Lissandra can use her Frost Tomb [her ult] on herself, allowing her to avoid damage until she kills her opponent through the rest of her abilities. She's untargetable but can still cast, and probably attack. Only a self-root. Her passive makes it sound like she could be played as a poke support, if her base numbers are high enough (Zyra how the fuck are your plants allowed to hurt that much). Also I never played WoW (pretty much half of what I know about it comes from this thread, increasing with each additional WoW discussion), is the rip-off that blatant? Not really, alot of melee just have bad nightmareish style flashbacks to fighting Ice mages in Wow so anything close to such is met with hostility. The best way to describe it in League terms is players talking about the nightmares of playing versus old heimer or in broodwar proxy pylons with cannons. Only worse.
The worst thing ever was that short period of time when frostmages paired off with healdruids. I am pretty sure they did this because they feed off tears.
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She looks like a anime villain who deserve's a Yuki Kajiura style overture of badass evil awesome.
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