EPT[Patch 3.04: Zac] General Discussion - Page 80
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ticklishmusic
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
On March 26 2013 14:39 UniversalSnip wrote: i still think it would be better if we didn't have OP guides from players who aren't extremely good. it's illogical to prefer bad information to no information. is it an aesthetic thing, like a thread doesn't feel right without a guide up there? Well I think the point is for a champion guide to be a foundation. Then people on TL will read it and post suggestions/advice and the OP can edit accordingly. Its also a great way to find out miscellaneous information on champions, such as play style and match ups. We all play differently so getting as much information as you can is always helpful. Way better than sifting through GD and more informative than just copying "pro-builds". | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On March 26 2013 14:39 UniversalSnip wrote: i still think it would be better if we didn't have OP guides from players who aren't extremely good. it's illogical to prefer bad information to no information. is it an aesthetic thing, like a thread doesn't feel right without a guide up there? Some people know better than they play. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On March 26 2013 12:25 VayneAuthority wrote: that just confirms my opinion since pretty much whatever you say is wrong, thank you xpecial is one of the douchiest people from pre season 1 and before, up there with elementz. good looking and friendly = douchey to a nerd, i understand it's okay | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On March 26 2013 13:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no Varus thread, i'm gonna start practicing him. Skill order, runes/masteries suggestions? Thinking either BotRK, zeal, BF midgame core, or bt -> shiv? after watching Thorin's latest Grilled Interview with Dyrus, I'm gonna work on a legit stable of ADs and actually focus on fitting them into lane matchups and team comps accurately, and mastering them mechanically. What do you guys think of this list? MF, Cait, and Ashe, thenVarus or Vayne or Trist also think people are sleeping on Ashe right now. Her base AS buff was significant, I can really feel it when I'm playing her during laning phase, and after PD/BotRK My skill order usually EWEQ then E>W>Q, you can get a second level of Q if you want since the base damage spikes a lot between 1-2, but these days I prefer not to. Maxing Q is not really a good idea since most of the time people can see you charging it and dodge it, where E slows and really easy to hit and harass with so with maxing E, generally Q will only be used to proc blight stacks, or go for a long range kill. Early on E has great damage to where it can be used by itself, but later on the damage is sort of weak to try and poke with, so should generally be used for the aoe slow and the blight stacks. Now for da pro buildz, 26/0/4 for magic penetration, then buy botrk>deathcap/zhonyas>zeal/infinity edge. It's totally legit man! Deathcap is worth like 40 AD! Guaranteed teammate rage and big blight chunks with some decent auto attacks since botrk is good as a stand-alone item. Botrk active is a life-saver as well which is good for an ADC with no escape, plus I was never a fan of Bloodthirster. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 26 2013 13:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no Varus thread, i'm gonna start practicing him. Skill order, runes/masteries suggestions? Thinking either BotRK, zeal, BF midgame core, or bt -> shiv? after watching Thorin's latest Grilled Interview with Dyrus, I'm gonna work on a legit stable of ADs and actually focus on fitting them into lane matchups and team comps accurately, and mastering them mechanically. What do you guys think of this list? MF, Cait, and Ashe, thenVarus or Vayne or Trist also think people are sleeping on Ashe right now. Her base AS buff was significant, I can really feel it when I'm playing her during laning phase, and after PD/BotRK I dont think Ashe can be a "significant" part of the meta so long as Zed and Khazix are in the game in their current forms. Also possibly even the FOTM assassins that lie in wait behind those two after the inevitable nerfs + Jarvan (even Kog is borderline in the Jarvan games). Am I probably on the more pessimistic side? Yes. But I don't see Ashe turning into ASHE unless basically every 100-0 combo is eliminated from the game. There at too many gapclosers that make her kiting power too weak (honestly in some situations tumble is better), and she is not Kog, so you can't just "protect the Ashe". The one situation I do see Ashe as strong (and obviously stronger now) is when you see the other team is building a poke comp (I.E. They have picked Nid, Cait, etc and banned Malphite), you are at one of your later picks, and still need that hard engage because you have like Volibear/Singed or something. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 26 2013 13:52 wei2coolman wrote: Just saw nyjacky miss lux ulti on baron, when he's right in the baron pit... and this is the guy we call best mid NA? lol. maybe just cutest NA. he didn't miss he pretended to miss and took the wave in top lane. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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kongoline
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On March 26 2013 15:28 cLutZ wrote: I dont think Ashe can be a "significant" part of the meta so long as Zed and Khazix are in the game in their current forms. Also possibly even the FOTM assassins that lie in wait behind those two after the inevitable nerfs + Jarvan (even Kog is borderline in the Jarvan games). Am I probably on the more pessimistic side? Yes. But I don't see Ashe turning into ASHE unless basically every 100-0 combo is eliminated from the game. There at too many gapclosers that make her kiting power too weak (honestly in some situations tumble is better), and she is not Kog, so you can't just "protect the Ashe". The one situation I do see Ashe as strong (and obviously stronger now) is when you see the other team is building a poke comp (I.E. They have picked Nid, Cait, etc and banned Malphite), you are at one of your later picks, and still need that hard engage because you have like Volibear/Singed or something. how are zed khaz different from diana,akali, talon,fizz or even bruisers like irelia? assasins were always in this game and that didnt stop ashe from being viable back then | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 26 2013 16:15 kongoline wrote: how are zed khaz different from diana,akali, talon,fizz or even bruisers like irelia? assasins were always in this game and that didnt stop ashe from being viable back then Not that I necessarily agree with this line of logic but assassins were less prevalent before in competitive games because games would go longer and passive play was actually viable in pro games. ADCs were stronger so they could afford to get earlier defensive items and the game lasted longer so they'd have more items to begin with. In pub play Ashe is 100% viable but so is every champion. I'm not gonna pretend to know if she's viable in competitive play but assassins are much more powerful now than they used to be simply because of the shift in play style along with the nerfs to ADCs across the board. | ||
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CardG
France131 Posts
Kinda need some advice here, played yesterday vs a Leona ori malph vi mf teamcomp went ok for the first 40 mn cause as Were just the better players but I don't rly know how to deal with it, the later de game goes one teamfight can just win the game. We had renek zyra voli ez taric it was decent cause we were pretty tanky to deal with the aoe. We just couldn't make plays later on because of wards they weren't face checking anything. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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CardG
France131 Posts
And the moment we tried to split they will just push all five... Maybe we should have ran a tp on someone... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 26 2013 16:15 kongoline wrote: how are zed khaz different from diana,akali, talon,fizz or even bruisers like irelia? assasins were always in this game and that didnt stop ashe from being viable back then Well they are different because they are stronger. I would say Zed/Khaz is a tier right now, followed by Diana/Akali. Every champ in both those tiers makes Ashe nearly impossible (at the very least sub-optimal) to play. And, of course, the difference between all those champs and characters like Irelia/Jax is that Irelia/Jax USE AUTOATTACKS which means they need a period of time to do their damage. Time where you can CC/Kill/Kite them. I would like to have the counterplay to Zed's REQIgniteBotRK explained. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:21 cLutZ wrote: Well they are different because they are stronger. I would say Zed/Khaz is a tier right now, followed by Diana/Akali. Every champ in both those tiers makes Ashe nearly impossible (at the very least sub-optimal) to play. And, of course, the difference between all those champs and characters like Irelia/Jax is that Irelia/Jax USE AUTOATTACKS which means they need a period of time to do their damage. Time where you can CC/Kill/Kite them. I would like to have the counterplay to Zed's REQIgniteBotRK explained. the counterplay is to also REQIgniteBotRK him. as long as you're not playing support, should kill him if you do it first  | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:21 cLutZ wrote: Well they are different because they are stronger. I would say Zed/Khaz is a tier right now, followed by Diana/Akali. Every champ in both those tiers makes Ashe nearly impossible (at the very least sub-optimal) to play. And, of course, the difference between all those champs and characters like Irelia/Jax is that Irelia/Jax USE AUTOATTACKS which means they need a period of time to do their damage. Time where you can CC/Kill/Kite them. I would like to have the counterplay to Zed's REQIgniteBotRK explained. Why is BotRK rushed on Zed? I see it so many times, not really a huge fan of it. I would think Brut+BT rush is better. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:31 wei2coolman wrote: Why is BotRK rushed on Zed? I see it so many times, not really a huge fan of it. I would think Brut+BT rush is better. because his base numbers are so bonkers that he really just wants you to stick around long enough to eat one more E. gives him an abusive 1v1 power spike top, and the active adds to his ult damage. I prefer a bruta first usually, but if you can get cutlass on first back instead of just bruta, thats almost always better. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:31 wei2coolman wrote: Why is BotRK rushed on Zed? I see it so many times, not really a huge fan of it. I would think Brut+BT rush is better. Easy buildpath makes for a smoother powercurve. Active gives a pseudo 4th damage spell and make it easier to trap runners. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Twice actually... first I as jungler went to kill their jungler. My team keep attacking baron and he smite it. Second I stay on baron, and my team stop autoattacking last minute so i missmite by 100 damage, knowing I hiigher level was waiting for teammates to finish next round of autos but they all cancel their AA. -.- | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
if you have to use arrow to initiate for your team, then you don't have the option to use it to peel for yourself, i just avoid picking her if my team doesn't already have an initiation, and those particular champs are still on the table against other champions, at 4 items most of them can't 1v1 you anyway :D | ||
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