EPT[Patch 3.04: Zac] General Discussion - Page 20
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On March 20 2013 21:15 misirlou wrote: So, you are agreeing with me? I believe ziggs and jayce Q work the same way (explode after max range) No, I'm saying ziggs' Q doesn't explode at max range and neither does Sejuani's ult, nor does Quinn's Q, nor does Kha's unevolved W. Fizz/Jayce are the exception, not the rule. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
Also maybe Tristana could use a slight nerf to her lvl 2-4 damage but apart from that I think the ADC's are in a good spot now. EDIT: Also, playing with a good Thresh is so nice. I haven't had so much fun since I played with a exhaust/smite blitz support who landed a hook every 30 seconds. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
And if we're talking ADC viability again, every ADC atm is decent except Corki/Quinn (both who I only see 'viable' midlane) and Sivir (who is just all around bad atm) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:30 zulu_nation8 wrote: I despite the new ranked system Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill. This was all known when the system was first put in place. Don't really think you should take what Riot said as the truth. It was clear they wanted to remove information from the player so anything they say regarding the system is just to further push that goal. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength. 'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument. | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
Also, I've noticed less flaming than usual. It's nice. | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
It's the same for bw, or any coach for any sport really. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:30 zulu_nation8 wrote: I despite the new ranked system Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill. I don't really like the new system either, especially the fact that you can't drop tiers but I think the most frustrating thing has to be the promotion to another tier. I haven't been the position myself because I'm derping around from plat II - IV but my friend is really struggling to get out of silver 1. Whenever he reaches 90 points he only gets +2 for a win and then +1 from 95 onwards, and for each loss always -17-20. I know it is supposed to be hard to get the tier promotion but that just has to be incredibly frustrating for a casual player who only plays like 3 games a day max. and you are basically dependant on a lucky winstreak to even reach the bo5 promotion. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:43 Serelitz wrote: 'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument. AP trynd would be the most recent example, something that was played by very few people before his recent nerf, suddenly gained traction and afaik in NA only, but turned out to be so OP that it warranted a hotfix. So I guess "people" haven't proven, as much as the history of LoL changes. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:45 Norada wrote: it's funny because most coaches for the korean/chinese teams arent diamond or challenger, I dont know why NA teams have this ego to them that they wont listen to anyone who isnt at their skill level. Some people have great game knowledge and know the best way to do things but their execution just isnt the best; no reason to totally ignore these people and not put their assets to use in your team. It's the same for bw, or any coach for any sport really. Until I see one of those people, I'm gonna assume they don't exist. Most people know less than they think, and are more wrong than they think. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: AP trynd would be the most recent example, something that was played by very few people before his recent nerf, suddenly gained traction and afaik in NA only, but turned out to be so OP that it warranted a hotfix. So I guess "people" haven't proven, as much as the history of LoL changes. AP Trynd is a weird way to play a different champ though, similar to Ssong popularizing Kayle mid. That's not comparable to a champion in his 'intended' role. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength. Having not seen a Sivir in a long time, I'm curious as to what your opinion is about why she hasn't returned to prominence at all considering the rotation cycles of popularity that seem to determine who's played and who's not. Basically, since the current "popular ADs" seem to be random but go through ALL the ADs, why do you think she hasn't come up yet? | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:58 schmutttt wrote: Why does Regi never cop any heat? He has been just as bad as chaox (If not worse) for a while now, and is probably only on the team because he owns it. HSGG gets criticised for the exact same thing.... Regi is way better than FailshotGG sorry. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:58 Serelitz wrote: AP Trynd is a weird way to play a different champ though, similar to Ssong popularizing Kayle mid. That's not comparable to a champion in his 'intended' role. Ezreal before he became fotm then. The point is there are things everyone misses and everyone is wrong about, and it happens way more often than people seem to remember. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:58 AsmodeusXI wrote: Having not seen a Sivir in a long time, I'm curious as to what your opinion is about why she hasn't returned to prominence at all considering the rotation cycles of popularity that seem to determine who's played and who's not. Basically, since the current "popular ADs" seem to be random but go through ALL the ADs, why do you think she hasn't come up yet? I don't think anyone in the world can give an accurate answer to that. But just remember that she was banned in games during season 2 finals because of her pushing power. | ||
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