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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 20 2013 12:51 GMT
#381
I think theres no OP ADC at the moment, if anything, some underplayeds need a small buff (corki, sivir for example). Trist MF and Cait are fine how they are right now.
KCCO!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 20 2013 12:52 GMT
#382
Don't think tristana ( or any ad currently) needs a nerf either. She s obviously god lategame but her midgame is still pretty weak, botrk is overrated imo but its active is pretty good in 1v1, which isn't very usual midgame though.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 20 2013 13:30 GMT
#383
I despite the new ranked system

Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 13:33:41
March 20 2013 13:31 GMT
#384
On March 20 2013 21:15 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 21:00 Serelitz wrote:
On March 20 2013 20:26 misirlou wrote:
On March 20 2013 19:31 Serelitz wrote:
5. Not sure if this is due to lag or not, but her Q seems to behave differently from a lot of other skillshots (e.g. Fizz R, Sejuani R). It seems that once it reaches max reach it doesn't explode.


This is how most skillshots behave though. Best example off the top of my head is Quinn's Q.


off the top of my head, Jayce Ranged Q doesnt


Ziggs' bomb doesn't though, and despite the guy saying it Sejuani's R doesn't explode either if it doesn't hit anyone (it just has a ridiculously large hitbox)


So, you are agreeing with me? I believe ziggs and jayce Q work the same way (explode after max range)


No, I'm saying ziggs' Q doesn't explode at max range and neither does Sejuani's ult, nor does Quinn's Q, nor does Kha's unevolved W. Fizz/Jayce are the exception, not the rule.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 13:46:12
March 20 2013 13:33 GMT
#385
Wait did Riot mention ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill? Isn't that complete bs? You win a game you win points you lose a game you lose points what is unfair about that?

Also maybe Tristana could use a slight nerf to her lvl 2-4 damage but apart from that I think the ADC's are in a good spot now.

EDIT: Also, playing with a good Thresh is so nice. I haven't had so much fun since I played with a exhaust/smite blitz support who landed a hook every 30 seconds.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 13:35:47
March 20 2013 13:34 GMT
#386
Riot never said it was inaccurate, Riot said it wasn't good to see improvement by a few ELO and that divisions/Tiers give a much more visual goal/reward to work towards.

And if we're talking ADC viability again, every ADC atm is decent except Corki/Quinn (both who I only see 'viable' midlane) and Sivir (who is just all around bad atm)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 20 2013 13:36 GMT
#387
On March 20 2013 22:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I despite the new ranked system

Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill.


This was all known when the system was first put in place. Don't really think you should take what Riot said as the truth. It was clear they wanted to remove information from the player so anything they say regarding the system is just to further push that goal.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 13:41:29
March 20 2013 13:39 GMT
#388
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 20 2013 13:43 GMT
#389
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
March 20 2013 13:44 GMT
#390
I decided to start playing LoL again (after not really playing at all since, I don't know, March) and it turns out I really suck! Who knew! It's also probably a mistake to start playing ranked ASAP but meh, I'm having a bit of fun with it. My only win was the one game that I got to be an adc (I always just play what role is left, so I end up jungling a lot -_-). At least I'm not completely feeding!

Also, I've noticed less flaming than usual. It's nice.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
Norada
Profile Joined August 2010
China482 Posts
March 20 2013 13:45 GMT
#391
it's funny because most coaches for the korean/chinese teams arent diamond or challenger, I dont know why NA teams have this ego to them that they wont listen to anyone who isnt at their skill level. Some people have great game knowledge and know the best way to do things but their execution just isnt the best; no reason to totally ignore these people and not put their assets to use in your team.

It's the same for bw, or any coach for any sport really.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 20 2013 13:51 GMT
#392
On March 20 2013 22:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I despite the new ranked system

Someone told me there are about 1k players in Diamond I right now, and about 10k in Diamond overall. At the end of preseason 3, I think the top 1000 was somewhere around 1950 elo. I can't even estimate what the 10k cut off was. Making it so that people can't drop leagues simply means achievements are as worthless as ever. People in Diamond I can be 200-300 elo apart and get into completely different games .There is pretty much NO way to tell how good someone is by ranking, which is hilarious because Riot mentioned that ELO was an inaccurate measure of skill.


I don't really like the new system either, especially the fact that you can't drop tiers but I think the most frustrating thing has to be the promotion to another tier. I haven't been the position myself because I'm derping around from plat II - IV but my friend is really struggling to get out of silver 1. Whenever he reaches 90 points he only gets +2 for a win and then +1 from 95 onwards, and for each loss always -17-20. I know it is supposed to be hard to get the tier promotion but that just has to be incredibly frustrating for a casual player who only plays like 3 games a day max. and you are basically dependant on a lucky winstreak to even reach the bo5 promotion.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 20 2013 13:52 GMT
#393
On March 20 2013 22:43 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument.


AP trynd would be the most recent example, something that was played by very few people before his recent nerf, suddenly gained traction and afaik in NA only, but turned out to be so OP that it warranted a hotfix. So I guess "people" haven't proven, as much as the history of LoL changes.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 13:55:41
March 20 2013 13:55 GMT
#394
On March 20 2013 22:45 Norada wrote:
it's funny because most coaches for the korean/chinese teams arent diamond or challenger, I dont know why NA teams have this ego to them that they wont listen to anyone who isnt at their skill level. Some people have great game knowledge and know the best way to do things but their execution just isnt the best; no reason to totally ignore these people and not put their assets to use in your team.

It's the same for bw, or any coach for any sport really.


Until I see one of those people, I'm gonna assume they don't exist. Most people know less than they think, and are more wrong than they think.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 20 2013 13:58 GMT
#395
Why does Regi never cop any heat? He has been just as bad as chaox (If not worse) for a while now, and is probably only on the team because he owns it. HSGG gets criticised for the exact same thing....
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 20 2013 13:58 GMT
#396
On March 20 2013 22:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 22:43 Serelitz wrote:
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument.


AP trynd would be the most recent example, something that was played by very few people before his recent nerf, suddenly gained traction and afaik in NA only, but turned out to be so OP that it warranted a hotfix. So I guess "people" haven't proven, as much as the history of LoL changes.


AP Trynd is a weird way to play a different champ though, similar to Ssong popularizing Kayle mid. That's not comparable to a champion in his 'intended' role.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 20 2013 13:58 GMT
#397
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


Having not seen a Sivir in a long time, I'm curious as to what your opinion is about why she hasn't returned to prominence at all considering the rotation cycles of popularity that seem to determine who's played and who's not.

Basically, since the current "popular ADs" seem to be random but go through ALL the ADs, why do you think she hasn't come up yet?
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
March 20 2013 14:00 GMT
#398
On March 20 2013 22:58 schmutttt wrote:
Why does Regi never cop any heat? He has been just as bad as chaox (If not worse) for a while now, and is probably only on the team because he owns it. HSGG gets criticised for the exact same thing....

Regi is way better than FailshotGG sorry.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 20 2013 14:02 GMT
#399
On March 20 2013 22:58 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 22:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On March 20 2013 22:43 Serelitz wrote:
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


'People have proven?' What about competitive pick rate, or overall win rate, or competitive win rate? Saying something as extremely vague and anecdotal as 'people have proven' doesn't really give any merit to your argument.


AP trynd would be the most recent example, something that was played by very few people before his recent nerf, suddenly gained traction and afaik in NA only, but turned out to be so OP that it warranted a hotfix. So I guess "people" haven't proven, as much as the history of LoL changes.


AP Trynd is a weird way to play a different champ though, similar to Ssong popularizing Kayle mid. That's not comparable to a champion in his 'intended' role.


Ezreal before he became fotm then. The point is there are things everyone misses and everyone is wrong about, and it happens way more often than people seem to remember.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 20 2013 14:04 GMT
#400
On March 20 2013 22:58 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 22:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Corki/Sivir are as good as all the other AD carries. People have proven time and time again that pick rate is merely a reflection of public prejudice rather than champion strength.


Having not seen a Sivir in a long time, I'm curious as to what your opinion is about why she hasn't returned to prominence at all considering the rotation cycles of popularity that seem to determine who's played and who's not.

Basically, since the current "popular ADs" seem to be random but go through ALL the ADs, why do you think she hasn't come up yet?


I don't think anyone in the world can give an accurate answer to that. But just remember that she was banned in games during season 2 finals because of her pushing power.
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