• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:16
CET 13:16
KST 21:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread 2025 POECurrency Christmas POE 2 Update 0.4.0 Curr 2025 IGGM Merry Christmas ARC Raiders Items Sale 2025 IGGM Christmas Diablo 4 Season 11 Items Sale 2025 IGGM Monopoly Go Christmas Sale
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust? Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1131 users

[Patch 3.04: Zac] General Discussion - Page 18

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 101 Next
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 20 2013 05:08 GMT
#341
On March 20 2013 12:28 Alaric wrote:

The Zac release skin is either incomplete or just a recolor with a different recall animation... well, I guess there's only so much you can do with a blob. :/


Stay puff marshmellow man, Riot pls
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
March 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#342
On March 20 2013 13:27 Sufficiency wrote:
And ChaoX is taking a break from LoL.... lolz. The fall of TSM?

I heard it was only for a week.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 20 2013 05:35 GMT
#343
On March 20 2013 14:05 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 12:30 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:29 Gahlo wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
The new Karma's numbers seem awful. 45 seconds CD on ult? Seriously?! Also her mantra'ed abilities are very underwhelming.

Spells reduce it by a second, autos by .5 second. Relax.


I am aware of that, but she can't use it twice in a fight.

EDIT: oh wait. Her mantra'ed E is an AOE shield... ok nvm...

Her mantra's e is aoe shield to begin with. Losing the passive (the new passive should be basically part of her ulti) and a mantra is really going to screw her up.

RIOT, why y change karma


I have a hard time believing any rework to Karma could leave her worse than her current state. Riot has put too much time and money to just drop this remake anyway. Just wait for it to hit live servers, then you can whine if she's weak.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 20 2013 05:46 GMT
#344
On March 20 2013 14:02 GettingIt wrote:
So I went from seeing Nunu almost every game and now no one uses him. Was his nerf really so bad that he is not worth picking anymore?


Well, now that he's weaker people have to, y'know, actually think about positioning and mana use and stuff instead of just spamming BB all day.

Poop, need to farm IP so I can be a scumbag owner.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 20 2013 06:05 GMT
#345
On March 20 2013 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 14:02 GettingIt wrote:
So I went from seeing Nunu almost every game and now no one uses him. Was his nerf really so bad that he is not worth picking anymore?


Well, now that he's weaker people have to, y'know, actually think about positioning and mana use and stuff instead of just spamming BB all day.

Poop, need to farm IP so I can be a scumbag owner.


Plus...Sona Lulu are his toughest lanes...and super common.

Freeeeeeedom
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
March 20 2013 06:07 GMT
#346
Voyboy playing toplane Viktor against Nidalee, maxing Q>W>E zzzz
Power-tripping mod for Trump's stream
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#347
On March 20 2013 15:05 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 20 2013 14:02 GettingIt wrote:
So I went from seeing Nunu almost every game and now no one uses him. Was his nerf really so bad that he is not worth picking anymore?


Well, now that he's weaker people have to, y'know, actually think about positioning and mana use and stuff instead of just spamming BB all day.

Poop, need to farm IP so I can be a scumbag owner.


Plus...Sona Lulu are his toughest lanes...and super common.



Sona/Ez isn't a thing anymore though

And maybe its just cuz I don't play Sona much anymore, but I feel like I don't see her anymore.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
March 20 2013 06:20 GMT
#348
Sona Ez is played all the time?
twitch.tv/cratonz
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 20 2013 06:24 GMT
#349
On March 20 2013 14:35 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 14:05 randomKo_Orean wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:30 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:29 Gahlo wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
The new Karma's numbers seem awful. 45 seconds CD on ult? Seriously?! Also her mantra'ed abilities are very underwhelming.

Spells reduce it by a second, autos by .5 second. Relax.


I am aware of that, but she can't use it twice in a fight.

EDIT: oh wait. Her mantra'ed E is an AOE shield... ok nvm...

Her mantra's e is aoe shield to begin with. Losing the passive (the new passive should be basically part of her ulti) and a mantra is really going to screw her up.

RIOT, why y change karma


I have a hard time believing any rework to Karma could leave her worse than her current state. Riot has put too much time and money to just drop this remake anyway. Just wait for it to hit live servers, then you can whine if she's weak.


Reworked kayle is such garbage compared to pre-rework kayle where her passive was outright bonkers, so reworks certainly can suck cock in comparison to older versions. Kayle was actually played infrequently too when they reworked her because she lost flavor as an ad carry of choice for a while. Then the did the rework and people still tried the old rageblade builds on her and saw how shitty it was and gave up. It wasn't until people did IE PD that she became a little popular again, partially due to dyrus. In s3 she's a lot more popular b/c of lindrays + nashors, but still nothing compared to what she was back in s1.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 20 2013 06:36 GMT
#350
On March 20 2013 15:24 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 14:35 zodde wrote:
On March 20 2013 14:05 randomKo_Orean wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:30 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:29 Gahlo wrote:
On March 20 2013 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
The new Karma's numbers seem awful. 45 seconds CD on ult? Seriously?! Also her mantra'ed abilities are very underwhelming.

Spells reduce it by a second, autos by .5 second. Relax.


I am aware of that, but she can't use it twice in a fight.

EDIT: oh wait. Her mantra'ed E is an AOE shield... ok nvm...

Her mantra's e is aoe shield to begin with. Losing the passive (the new passive should be basically part of her ulti) and a mantra is really going to screw her up.

RIOT, why y change karma


I have a hard time believing any rework to Karma could leave her worse than her current state. Riot has put too much time and money to just drop this remake anyway. Just wait for it to hit live servers, then you can whine if she's weak.


Reworked kayle is such garbage compared to pre-rework kayle where her passive was outright bonkers, so reworks certainly can suck cock in comparison to older versions. Kayle was actually played infrequently too when they reworked her because she lost flavor as an ad carry of choice for a while. Then the did the rework and people still tried the old rageblade builds on her and saw how shitty it was and gave up. It wasn't until people did IE PD that she became a little popular again, partially due to dyrus. In s3 she's a lot more popular b/c of lindrays + nashors, but still nothing compared to what she was back in s1.


Come on, that's not what I said. I was talking about Karma specifically, not reworks in general. If Riot end up making Karma worse than she currently is, they've really outdone themselves.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 20 2013 06:53 GMT
#351
Ahh then yeah i agree. I just wish they didn't change her passive and just made her new passive part of her ult. It's kind of silly to dedicate her passive merely to affect her ults cd when her ult is merely a supercharge for her 3 basic abilities.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 07:03:47
March 20 2013 07:03 GMT
#352
Stayed up till 3 AM finishing the NA LCS Week 5 write-up, if you guys don't love it I may die on the inside, just an fyi.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 20 2013 07:06 GMT
#353
On March 20 2013 15:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Ahh then yeah i agree. I just wish they didn't change her passive and just made her new passive part of her ult. It's kind of silly to dedicate her passive merely to affect her ults cd when her ult is merely a supercharge for her 3 basic abilities.


Yeah I can agree with that. Pre-remake, she had no real ult. Now she doesn't really have a passive either. Even if they make her less interesting to play, atleast she might be viable?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 20 2013 07:07 GMT
#354
On March 20 2013 15:20 Craton wrote:
Sona Ez is played all the time?


I haven't seen it in 5ever, but like I said, maybe just me

New Karma feels pretty good. She feels like an AP mid rather than a support though, reminds me of Morgana now actually. Her kit is uber flexible and seems to kick ass in teamfights. Q for a ton of damage and slow, E for shields on everyone and a ton of damage (seriously, its like exploding locket).
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 07:17:11
March 20 2013 07:14 GMT
#355
Meh her passive is pretty boring now.The old karma passive was what made her fun and interesting in the first place(one of the best passive designs in game by far imo),the new one is just another faceless ability that let's you spam more so w/e
Cackle™
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 07:29:16
March 20 2013 07:29 GMT
#356
Anyone else having trouble logging in? Its saying failure to connect to the server. Reattemping attempt #4
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 20 2013 07:36 GMT
#357
New Karma fits laning phase much better, although I feel like she lost out on both utility and damage in her rework.

Loses the Burst heal, loses the % heal, loses ally healing, loses the full team movespeed buff/debuff, shield gets nerfed in terms of base numbers and scaling.

Q hit much harder on new Karma, but much smaller cone, and cant use damage Q in conjunction with her old bossmode E. She loses her awesome passive, and all she really gains to show for it is the root.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
March 20 2013 07:55 GMT
#358
What's Phantomlord doing in Korea?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
March 20 2013 08:16 GMT
#359
I hope WildTurtle can shake things up for TSM in a good way.

And I see a lot of people hatin' on Karma - but has anyone actually played her yet?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 20 2013 08:34 GMT
#360
So far the new Karma seems intersting because it makes her more reliable than old Karma, and her W seems to be useful. So far only reading the numbers it seems like she might be a good champion.
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 101 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Christmas Day Games
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
WardiTV514
TaKeTV 239
Rex82
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
09:00
PiGosaur Cup #62
CranKy Ducklings230
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 108
mouzStarbuck 102
Rex 82
BRAT_OK 81
IndyStarCraft 71
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34851
Bisu 2311
Rain 2286
Sea 1642
Horang2 1306
Shuttle 508
BeSt 428
Aegong 419
Stork 414
Mini 366
[ Show more ]
Larva 320
actioN 294
EffOrt 260
Last 243
firebathero 238
Sharp 126
Hyun 108
ggaemo 87
Barracks 80
ToSsGirL 77
sorry 50
Mind 47
Sexy 31
Terrorterran 29
Oya187 20
Shinee 19
Sacsri 16
GoRush 16
Noble 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
JulyZerg 8
scan(afreeca) 8
Icarus 7
zelot 6
soO 6
HiyA 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe488
League of Legends
C9.Mang0435
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2438
x6flipin1535
zeus837
edward186
Other Games
singsing1915
B2W.Neo1316
Fuzer 300
crisheroes288
Mew2King35
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1863
Other Games
BasetradeTV47
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1d 4h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.