• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:02
CEST 23:02
KST 06:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event8Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8)
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2117 users

[Patch 3.04: Zac] General Discussion - Page 17

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 101 Next
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 03:34:14
March 20 2013 03:30 GMT
#321
On March 20 2013 12:29 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
The new Karma's numbers seem awful. 45 seconds CD on ult? Seriously?! Also her mantra'ed abilities are very underwhelming.

Spells reduce it by a second, autos by .5 second. Relax.


I am aware of that, but she can't use it twice in a fight.

EDIT: oh wait. Her mantra'ed E is an AOE shield... ok nvm...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 03:47:33
March 20 2013 03:46 GMT
#322
That depends.

If you land a Q on one guy every time it's up the CD on mantra is actually around 16 seconds (when the CDR is 2 seconds, it increases as you level). That's easily twice any fight that isn't one-sided. Even at 27 seconds that's shorter than Cho's feast which in longer fights you can sometimes use twice.

The thing is what do you want to mantra in a team fight? Mantra Q requires setup because *anyone* can just walk out of the delayed damage even on a direct hit. Mantra W is great for 1v1 but doesn't help your team much. Mantra E... well I'd have to try it in a real team fight to see but the damage would be higher than a mantra Q that wiffed, the AOE shield is about as strong as locket not counting AP.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 20 2013 03:50 GMT
#323
On March 20 2013 12:18 beefhamburger wrote:
Curse vs. CLG+sayocean(?) subbing for aphro scrim
http://clgaming.net/live/5771-crs-voyboy

Say0cean is CLG's General Manager/PR/Marketing dude.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 20 2013 04:06 GMT
#324
On March 20 2013 12:50 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 12:18 beefhamburger wrote:
Curse vs. CLG+sayocean(?) subbing for aphro scrim
http://clgaming.net/live/5771-crs-voyboy

Say0cean is CLG's General Manager/PR/Marketing dude.


I would assume it's just sayocean's account with aphro playing.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
March 20 2013 04:07 GMT
#325
Why wouldn't he just use his own account?
twitch.tv/cratonz
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 20 2013 04:09 GMT
#326
On March 20 2013 13:07 Craton wrote:
Why wouldn't he just use his own account?


Didn't he get banned for two weeks?
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 04:11:42
March 20 2013 04:09 GMT
#327
On March 20 2013 13:07 Craton wrote:
Why wouldn't he just use his own account?

Seems risky, considering the whole elo-boosting thing (the whole idea is it broke term of service)....

Anyways, watching curse scrim with clg; curse looking very rusty playing with nyjacky.
Also interesting team comp, going for triple support + carry.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
March 20 2013 04:16 GMT
#328
On March 20 2013 13:09 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 13:07 Craton wrote:
Why wouldn't he just use his own account?


Didn't he get banned for two weeks?

I dunno, I don't really keep up with these things. I figured he wouldn't be banned because he has a good personality, but he found another way to get banned evidently.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 04:17:36
March 20 2013 04:17 GMT
#329
this is clearly a high level tarp from riot, ban the accounts and let the teams show up for LCS,

THEN BAN FOR SMURFING AND SHARING ACCOUNTS
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 20 2013 04:20 GMT
#330
On March 20 2013 13:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 13:07 Craton wrote:
Why wouldn't he just use his own account?

Seems risky, considering the whole elo-boosting thing (the whole idea is it broke term of service)....

Anyways, watching curse scrim with clg; curse looking very rusty playing with nyjacky.
Also interesting team comp, going for triple support + carry.

it's probably fine as long as he doesn't enter any matchmade game
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 20 2013 04:20 GMT
#331
On March 20 2013 12:46 phyvo wrote:
That depends.

If you land a Q on one guy every time it's up the CD on mantra is actually around 16 seconds (when the CDR is 2 seconds, it increases as you level). That's easily twice any fight that isn't one-sided. Even at 27 seconds that's shorter than Cho's feast which in longer fights you can sometimes use twice.

The thing is what do you want to mantra in a team fight? Mantra Q requires setup because *anyone* can just walk out of the delayed damage even on a direct hit. Mantra W is great for 1v1 but doesn't help your team much. Mantra E... well I'd have to try it in a real team fight to see but the damage would be higher than a mantra Q that wiffed, the AOE shield is about as strong as locket not counting AP.


You can't say "land a Q every time...." because it does require her Q to actually hit a target. She is not Zilean.

Fact of the matter is, in a teamfight, mantra'ed Q requires a set up (and the AOE is pretty small for a spell that needs set up), mantra'ed W is useless, and the only good thing seems to be mantra'ed E.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
March 20 2013 04:21 GMT
#332
I think the point he was after is that even in a best-case scenario it's quite long.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 20 2013 04:24 GMT
#333
On March 20 2013 13:21 Craton wrote:
I think the point he was after is that even in a best-case scenario it's quite long.


So yeah, she still seems pretty bad.... I don't know, making such a judgement without actually playing her is probably not a good idea, but I don't really see anything appealing from her kit beside the AOE shield (which, btw, why not just play Lux).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 20 2013 04:27 GMT
#334
And ChaoX is taking a break from LoL.... lolz. The fall of TSM?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2013 04:30 GMT
#335
this triple support thing, curse is doing (similar to digs ipl4 build), lol elementz has more AP than Jacky. rofl.
liftlift > tsm
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 20 2013 04:39 GMT
#336
Lulu with farm is great. I'm a bit surprised at Voyboy's build though, her AP ratios don't really seem good enough to justify Deathcap rush. Where's the Nashor's?
I am the Town Medic.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
March 20 2013 04:39 GMT
#337
On March 20 2013 13:27 Sufficiency wrote:
And ChaoX is taking a break from LoL.... lolz. The fall of TSM?

Xspecial was pretty depressed in his vlog this week. Aparently going 2-1 at dallas only made them more frustrated as a team.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
March 20 2013 04:50 GMT
#338
On March 20 2013 13:27 Sufficiency wrote:
And ChaoX is taking a break from LoL.... lolz. The fall of TSM?


I disagree. I'm of the opinion that you NEED fresh blood into the more established teams. Chaox has been really stagnant whether it be he hit his skill cap or just simply lost passion of the game but he has not exerted dominance as a ADC for awhile now. I used to be a big TSM fan till I made a hard switch over to Asian teams + GG simply because I admire good games.

On March 20 2013 04:48 clickrush wrote:

2. caitlyn: I think ppl like her because she is easy to play during the laning phase. What alot of players don't realize is that she actually has to snowball her early advantage to be as useful as other ad carries. she is probably the worst scaling ad carry in the game with her only steroid literally being her range which other ad carries can also provide, while cait lacks that extra something. ppl take it too easy with her and don't play her aggressive enough to keep up or carry with her.
.


Disagree. Range on ADC is the one thing you can't itemize and scales incredibly well for late game.

On March 20 2013 07:39 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 07:01 AsnSensation wrote:
Ezreal is very weak currently yes, I think base atksp nerf hurt him the most before that he was in a good spot but to say he was never that strong is definitely wrong imo, during Pulsefire release when his W still reduced Attack speed he straight up raped lanes because they couldnt trade back


I'd actually like them to keep his bas the way it is now, but bring back his old W. Maybe lower some other stuff in the process. Thinking on it now, that ability was pretty unique, and it gave him a cool role on a team other than extremely safe adc.

Also, why aren't more people playing Nami? She has one of the best ults I've ever seen. A fight breaks out, drop the R, drop the Q. It's so strong. Her laning isn't bad either. I actually like it more than Sona, because with Sona I always feel really fragile and I get the feeling I could die at any time. With Nami, I feel like I have enough tools to keep alive in tough situations.



I've been playing her actually quite a lot in both our iquidpractice pre's and in random solo queues and have dominated every single bot lane. Her laning is actually quite good on account of the massive trades you can pull off with W and having tanky mastery/runes. I avoid E completely because I think it's a huge mana sink as her only main issue is mana considering her cd's are quite good.
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 20 2013 05:02 GMT
#339
So I went from seeing Nunu almost every game and now no one uses him. Was his nerf really so bad that he is not worth picking anymore?
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
March 20 2013 05:05 GMT
#340
--- Nuked ---
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 101 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 Group A
eOnzErG vs OyAjiLIVE!
Doodle vs cavapoo
ZZZero.O209
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft206
JuggernautJason97
Ketroc 91
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18488
Calm 2137
ZZZero.O 209
Hyuk 154
Dewaltoss 94
NaDa 16
Dota 2
monkeys_forever475
syndereN295
League of Legends
Doublelift2398
JimRising 239
Counter-Strike
fl0m6547
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor242
Other Games
Grubby5095
tarik_tv4255
summit1g2926
FrodaN1161
ArmadaUGS137
420jenkins114
Hui .88
elazer87
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1185
BasetradeTV298
StarCraft 2
angryscii 123
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream79
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 63
• StrangeGG 61
• Hupsaiya 49
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• musti20045 0
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 13
• Michael_bg 9
• HerbMon 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV778
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie1337
• Shiphtur244
Other Games
• tFFMrPink 18
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 58m
RSL Revival
12h 58m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h 58m
BSL
21h 58m
IPSL
21h 58m
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Wardi Open
1d 12h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 12h
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 18h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
3 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
4 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.