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Duke Nukem would make me facepalm is that was a serious game and not a parody.
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Why? Everyone loves the duke!
as for the topic being off topic well its related to league of legends and it comes up every so often anyway and the point never gets questioned despite it being falsley linked to feminism about shit that might actually promote sexism like uber skinny models and hollywood bimbos.
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On March 08 2013 02:22 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:10 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? On March 08 2013 02:02 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:51 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:49 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Sorry is that guy trying to say that women don't get jobs because guys only want girls that look like the ones they see in video games??
People care more about womens appearance (not strictly true either, come to a job interview poorly dressed with a terrible haircut and unshaven see how well you do) therefore video games should have more fat and ugly women?
And men are allowed to see super buff men as self-image fantasy but women aren't?
This is the most retarded argument I've heard thus far. You've completely missed every point in the video. To answer your questions in order: - No, he's trying to say that a woman's appearance affects how she is judged and perceived more than is the case for her male peers, and her actual achievements or abilities have less weight.
- The problem is that a woman's achievements/intelligence/abilities are secondary to her appearances. Because this is not the case for men, you can have depictions of men that do not conform with "standards" of beauty. But because a woman's appearance is such a huge part of how she is judged (not the only part, just disproportionately weighted) you can't do the same.
- It's not that women can't have fantasies about buff men, but that the depictions of men you see in video games are primarily designed for the benefit/enjoyment of male gamers, not female gamers.
What's this got to do with video games? If the demographic is 95% male its just a business choice at point 3. As I said the argument that this somehow promotes sexism holds no more weight than playing doom promotes mass murderers. Video games are a part of our media and culture. The media and culture we grow up with affect our perceptions, which in turn affect our expectations of other people. Media and culture do not determine how we view things, but it's naive to assert that our views are unaffected by either. Sexism is different from mass murder/violence because you can't murder someone with perceptions, but you can have sexist perceptions. The propensity for women in video games to be impossible supermodels is a contributing factor to our culture's unrealistic, unhealthy expectations of women. You can't point at video games and say, "I judge women by their appearances because of DoA", but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. If you're saying men like women with big breasts and hips well welcome to evolutionary fact. If you're saying showing women being attractive in video games makes us think less of their intelligence of ability/skills then I have no idea how you reach the conclusion. I'm not saying either of those things. I recommend you read the article I linked earlier, and if you still can't understand me after that then we should probably end the discussion. I've read your article. Women have a lot more variety in the way they dress and that's probably been true since the dawn of man when men were chosen more for leadership and skill and women were chosen more for looks (childbearing ability/good genetics/healthy) as a general rule. However this still has nothing to do with making women look attractive in video games. OKAY let's assume there is some kind of a problem with it. How do you fix it? That way I can try to dissect your reasoning instead of just watching everyones articles and videos when they assume that it somehow proves a point. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:17 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? Hey man, I am their demographic. I'm a twenty-something man and I like my women buxom and good looking. But I also admit that it's sexualization, and that, in some ways, it's unhealthy. That said, though, some of my favorite females aren't designed that way. I could give a list, but empirical evidence and all that. Okay, give me an example of how you could put unhealthy sexualisation of men in a video game.
Make a Twilight game. Those books are the sexual stereotyping of men made for women the same way, say, Lady or Trist in DMC is an example of sexual stereotyping of women made for men.
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On March 08 2013 02:29 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:22 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 02:10 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? On March 08 2013 02:02 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:51 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:49 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Sorry is that guy trying to say that women don't get jobs because guys only want girls that look like the ones they see in video games??
People care more about womens appearance (not strictly true either, come to a job interview poorly dressed with a terrible haircut and unshaven see how well you do) therefore video games should have more fat and ugly women?
And men are allowed to see super buff men as self-image fantasy but women aren't?
This is the most retarded argument I've heard thus far. You've completely missed every point in the video. To answer your questions in order: - No, he's trying to say that a woman's appearance affects how she is judged and perceived more than is the case for her male peers, and her actual achievements or abilities have less weight.
- The problem is that a woman's achievements/intelligence/abilities are secondary to her appearances. Because this is not the case for men, you can have depictions of men that do not conform with "standards" of beauty. But because a woman's appearance is such a huge part of how she is judged (not the only part, just disproportionately weighted) you can't do the same.
- It's not that women can't have fantasies about buff men, but that the depictions of men you see in video games are primarily designed for the benefit/enjoyment of male gamers, not female gamers.
What's this got to do with video games? If the demographic is 95% male its just a business choice at point 3. As I said the argument that this somehow promotes sexism holds no more weight than playing doom promotes mass murderers. Video games are a part of our media and culture. The media and culture we grow up with affect our perceptions, which in turn affect our expectations of other people. Media and culture do not determine how we view things, but it's naive to assert that our views are unaffected by either. Sexism is different from mass murder/violence because you can't murder someone with perceptions, but you can have sexist perceptions. The propensity for women in video games to be impossible supermodels is a contributing factor to our culture's unrealistic, unhealthy expectations of women. You can't point at video games and say, "I judge women by their appearances because of DoA", but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. If you're saying men like women with big breasts and hips well welcome to evolutionary fact. If you're saying showing women being attractive in video games makes us think less of their intelligence of ability/skills then I have no idea how you reach the conclusion. I'm not saying either of those things. I recommend you read the article I linked earlier, and if you still can't understand me after that then we should probably end the discussion. I've read your article. Women have a lot more variety in the way they dress and that's probably been true since the dawn of man when men were chosen more for leadership and skill and women were chosen more for looks (childbearing ability/good genetics/healthy) as a general rule. However this still has nothing to do with making women look attractive in video games. OKAY let's assume there is some kind of a problem with it. How do you fix it? That way I can try to dissect your reasoning instead of just watching everyones articles and videos when they assume that it somehow proves a point. On March 08 2013 02:17 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? Hey man, I am their demographic. I'm a twenty-something man and I like my women buxom and good looking. But I also admit that it's sexualization, and that, in some ways, it's unhealthy. That said, though, some of my favorite females aren't designed that way. I could give a list, but empirical evidence and all that. Okay, give me an example of how you could put unhealthy sexualisation of men in a video game. Make a Twilight game. Those books are the sexual stereotyping of men made for women the same way, say, Lady or Trist in DMC is an example of sexual stereotyping of women made for men.
How is it unhealthy? Also, lady and trist kicked some ass in DMC
Ill quote myself here
"If anything video games are better than everything else because there's no difference at all between the sexes aside from appearance. Ultimate goal of feminism, right?"
Nobody addressed this at all, you guys are too busy telling me to go back and read your posts because they're all so brilliant and im clearly retarded for not understanding
also theres fighter females in lol
riven, vi, diana
monsters (elise, cass, maybe khazix and kog who knows what sex they are, who cares more importantly)
"ugly" women (sejuani/poppy sorry bros a boar isnt a good accessory)
short women (all yordles)
all we're missing is fat females and there is only gragas for a fat guy in league anyway.
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Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh
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Does anyone know when the LoL G-League final starts on Saturday? I can't find an actual schedule anywhere, just that the whole event for all games is from 9:00AM to 10:00PM China time which doesn't exactly help.
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On March 08 2013 02:51 Dan HH wrote:
Does anyone know when the LoL G-League final starts on Saturday? I can't find an actual schedule anywhere, just that the whole event for all games is from 9:00AM to 10:00PM China time which doesn't exactly help.
As far as I'm aware there isn't a fixed time. There was a similar discussion about the starting time for DotA and if I remember correctly, nobody ended up being able to pin down when it is.
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New idea for champ so Riot can say they are no longer sexist. (this is completely satirical)
______, the Modern Woman (aka Jayce's wife)
(melee)
Passive: Underrepresentation: for every male champ on the opponent team, gain 5 armor/mr. for every female champ in the game, gain 10 atk.
"I'm not scared by anything on the Fields of Justice... except my wife."
-Jayce
Q: Bitchslap
-next autoattack does bonus x damage if male champ, stuns for half a second
-gives the option to follow up with Frying Pan ( more damage, short knockback)
W: Non traditional gender roles
-stealth
E: Furious Shout
-passive: every time you attack a male champion, you steal 5 gold
-active: shout loudly to deal AOE and silence around you. the more enemy chams, the less effective this is.
R: Feminist March
-basically hec's ultimate, but with angry women.
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On March 08 2013 02:52 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:51 Dan HH wrote:
Does anyone know when the LoL G-League final starts on Saturday? I can't find an actual schedule anywhere, just that the whole event for all games is from 9:00AM to 10:00PM China time which doesn't exactly help. As far as I'm aware there isn't a fixed time. There was a similar discussion about the starting time for DotA and if I remember correctly, nobody ended up being able to pin down when it is.
Thanks, I feared this would be the case but I was hoping I overlooked something. Maybe they release more information tomorrow.
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On March 08 2013 02:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
New idea for champ so Riot can say they are no longer sexist. (this is completely satirical)
______, the Modern Woman (aka Jayce's wife)
(melee)
Passive: Underrepresentation: for every male champ on the opponent team, gain 5 armor/mr. for every female champ in the game, gain 10 atk.
Q: Bitchslap
-next autoattack does bonus x damage if male champ, stuns for half a second
-gives the option to follow up with Frying Pan ( more damage, short knockback)
W: Non traditional gender roles
-stealth
E: Furious Shout
-passive: every time you attack a male champion, you steal 5 gold
-active: shout loudly to deal AOE and silence around you. the more enemy chams, the less effective this is.
R: Feminist March
-basically hec's ultimate, but with angry women.
I support this.
But she can't be a "wife", that's wai 2 sexist.
Make her bald instead.
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Also, I think this sexualized depiction of women thing is a little bit inane at this point, because, if nothing else, Riot is simply borrowing from the way women are portrayed in their source media for character design. I think Riot has made it pretty clear that a lot of the artistic influences for the game draw from eastern anime/manga and western comic books/cartoons, and this depiction of women is more or less in line with what is common in both media forms.
Arguing that it's Riot's fault for doing this is a bit awkward because within the framework of those media, this is how men and women are depicted. It would be more unnatural to inherit the art style of those media, and then try to correct for those things based on what you feel is socially acceptable. That would result in some pretty awkward looking artwork in the end--because those depictions of people would feel out of place to someone familiar with those media.
Characters with less sexualized features would probably be more appropriate in a game that chose a different art style, but insofar as Riot made the decision to take the art direction of their game this way well before there were any "attractive female champions" (I don't think any of them were part of the original batch of champions that Riot designed in alpha), I can't really fault them for this because it's just a consequence of an unrelated design decision made early on in the game's life.
This is a marketing move--not necessarily because their target audience wants to see hyper-sexualized women, but because it helps to acclimate someone who is unfamiliar to the game and to the genre by providing them cues from other media that they will associate with (e.g. an art style consistent with media they are familiar with), so the game feels less foreign to them. Riot has done a good job with making these little things feel comfortable to people in other aspects of the game as well, not just the visual design (such as displaying regen stats as "per 5"), and I feel it contributes greatly to the accessibility and commercial success of the game.
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"RIOT why you keep making oversexualized female champs"
"we just made quinn..."
"what no lol quinn is a guy"
"quinn is a girl..."
"then why did you make her look like a guy"
"..."
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@Yango: yeah, I won't disagree in any way that Riot didn't "pioneer" that, and that looking at it as a business/marketing decision totally makes sense. I guess when we aren't busy playing we just sometimes hope Riot would steer the wheel a bit not to blindly condone those stereotypes, but I don't believe the gains would outweights the risk. For one guy thinking "this game's depiction of women is different and less narrow, it's more enjoyable", how many wouldn't give a damn and only care about having clear stuff on the screen while playing?
Let's just call that wishful and unresponsible thinking then. 
On March 08 2013 02:32 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:29 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 02:22 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 02:10 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? On March 08 2013 02:02 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:51 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:49 Seuss wrote:On March 08 2013 01:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Sorry is that guy trying to say that women don't get jobs because guys only want girls that look like the ones they see in video games??
People care more about womens appearance (not strictly true either, come to a job interview poorly dressed with a terrible haircut and unshaven see how well you do) therefore video games should have more fat and ugly women?
And men are allowed to see super buff men as self-image fantasy but women aren't?
This is the most retarded argument I've heard thus far. You've completely missed every point in the video. To answer your questions in order: - No, he's trying to say that a woman's appearance affects how she is judged and perceived more than is the case for her male peers, and her actual achievements or abilities have less weight.
- The problem is that a woman's achievements/intelligence/abilities are secondary to her appearances. Because this is not the case for men, you can have depictions of men that do not conform with "standards" of beauty. But because a woman's appearance is such a huge part of how she is judged (not the only part, just disproportionately weighted) you can't do the same.
- It's not that women can't have fantasies about buff men, but that the depictions of men you see in video games are primarily designed for the benefit/enjoyment of male gamers, not female gamers.
What's this got to do with video games? If the demographic is 95% male its just a business choice at point 3. As I said the argument that this somehow promotes sexism holds no more weight than playing doom promotes mass murderers. Video games are a part of our media and culture. The media and culture we grow up with affect our perceptions, which in turn affect our expectations of other people. Media and culture do not determine how we view things, but it's naive to assert that our views are unaffected by either. Sexism is different from mass murder/violence because you can't murder someone with perceptions, but you can have sexist perceptions. The propensity for women in video games to be impossible supermodels is a contributing factor to our culture's unrealistic, unhealthy expectations of women. You can't point at video games and say, "I judge women by their appearances because of DoA", but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. If you're saying men like women with big breasts and hips well welcome to evolutionary fact. If you're saying showing women being attractive in video games makes us think less of their intelligence of ability/skills then I have no idea how you reach the conclusion. I'm not saying either of those things. I recommend you read the article I linked earlier, and if you still can't understand me after that then we should probably end the discussion. I've read your article. Women have a lot more variety in the way they dress and that's probably been true since the dawn of man when men were chosen more for leadership and skill and women were chosen more for looks (childbearing ability/good genetics/healthy) as a general rule. However this still has nothing to do with making women look attractive in video games. OKAY let's assume there is some kind of a problem with it. How do you fix it? That way I can try to dissect your reasoning instead of just watching everyones articles and videos when they assume that it somehow proves a point. On March 08 2013 02:17 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 02:03 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:57 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:53 Slayer91 wrote:On March 08 2013 01:52 Requizen wrote:On March 08 2013 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
I never said shit about sexism in the workplace I only said blaming it on video games is retarded.
The point of the video I just argued against, you just mentioned it again and didn't defend it at all when his only argument was that it promotes sexism by making both sexes attractive or something Did you finish the video? The point was this: Who do you think they're designing these models for? Like he said, Game companies never looked at women as a real demographic until relatively recently. Even now, as a random number I'd say 85% of marketing is targeted towards the 18-25 male demographic. To say that attractive females in games are being designed for the female body image fantasy rather than the male sexual fantasy is highly, highly unlikely. I'm not saying anything against Riot, I'm just saying your argument is pretty silly. I highly doubt that Riot reworked Karma's look because they wanted women to buy her, and they likely didn't design Garen's buff physique for them either. Yes I did. What's wrong with designing models for your target demographic? There is lots of chocolate and shit designed for women. There isn't anything wrong with it, I never said there was. But when female models are designed to be hourglass figures and showing skin, saying "it's not sexism" is, well, false. That's just making them traditionally attractive, if they were women modelling it and marketing towards women it would probably be more or less the same. What do you propose female models should look like? Exactly like the males? The same but smaller hips and boobs? What do you want? Hey man, I am their demographic. I'm a twenty-something man and I like my women buxom and good looking. But I also admit that it's sexualization, and that, in some ways, it's unhealthy. That said, though, some of my favorite females aren't designed that way. I could give a list, but empirical evidence and all that. Okay, give me an example of how you could put unhealthy sexualisation of men in a video game. Make a Twilight game. Those books are the sexual stereotyping of men made for women the same way, say, Lady or Trist in DMC is an example of sexual stereotyping of women made for men. How is it unhealthy? Also, lady and trist kicked some ass in DMC Ill quote myself here "If anything video games are better than everything else because there's no difference at all between the sexes aside from appearance. Ultimate goal of feminism, right?" Nobody addressed this at all, you guys are too busy telling me to go back and read your posts because they're all so brilliant and im clearly retarded for not understanding also theres fighter females in lol riven, vi, diana monsters (elise, cass, maybe khazix and kog who knows what sex they are, who cares more importantly) "ugly" women (sejuani/poppy sorry bros a boar isnt a good accessory) short women (all yordles) all we're missing is fat females and there is only gragas for a fat guy in league anyway.
See, I'm happy with champs like Leona or Diana or Riven that give jack shit to role stereotypes and just get stuff done, if anything I wouldn't mind a buff Sejuani to reflect the harsh landscape her tribe lives in (Ashe doesn't come from icy moutains, she comes from the folk tales describing them).
I guess what we could say is that if the shotgun had been given to a female, she'd probably have been perceived as a parody or over-the-top character (think a trigger-happy version of Vi) by the player base, whereas Graves, as stereotyped and full of references as he is, is seen as a perfectly viable iteration of the typical "shotgun wielder" trope. And there it'd stem from the people's perceptions rather than what Riot would have done (assuming Graves had been exactly the same, 'cept female).
And saying that the Duke is an overly sexualised and stereotyped character isn't hating on him when he was designed that way on purpose.
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On March 08 2013 02:39 SagaZ wrote:
Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh
have you missed all the sona boob posts
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On March 08 2013 02:39 SagaZ wrote:
Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh
Maybe the Japanese are not the best example but there's plenty of not-completely-absurd hentai floating around to disagree with that idea. Canada, South Africa, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines are all countries which the possession of even cartoon child pornography is illegal based on the idea that the cartoons promote making children sex objects... which only makes sense if you view the cartoons as sex objects themselves (or conduits thereof). Whatever your position is I don't think idea itself is that weird.
On March 08 2013 02:32 Slayer91 wrote:
How is it unhealthy?
Well if it promotes the cultural idea that women are sex objects rather than people then yes I'd say that's unhealthy. Culture and media are a two-way street. I'm not sure if you're thinking that anything not directly representing an IRL bimbo is healthy or not. I don't think the "cartoon" distinction makes a difference as cartoons can hold and promote ideas with just as much weight as any live-action movie, they're both forms of art (cultural perceptions aside).
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions.
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On March 08 2013 03:06 thenexusp wrote:
"RIOT why you keep making oversexualized female champs"
"we just made quinn..."
"what no lol quinn is a guy"
"quinn is a girl..."
"then why did you make her look like a guy"
"..."
I like Quinn's visual design. 
I just wish her animations were better.
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wait quinns a girl?
i thought it was another riot move to make male ad carries
edit you can see from the splash art but i only noticed her a few times ingame before
On March 08 2013 03:14 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:39 SagaZ wrote:
Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh have you missed all the sona boob posts
google hentai, prepare to have your mind blown
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On March 08 2013 03:06 thenexusp wrote:
"RIOT why you keep making oversexualized female champs"
"we just made quinn..."
"what no lol quinn is a guy"
"quinn is a girl..."
"then why did you make her look like a guy"
"..."
Also I do realize that one internet netizen got replaced by another halfway through this conversation, but this is pretty much what riot has to deal with when catering to community expectations
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On March 08 2013 03:14 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:39 SagaZ wrote:
Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh have you missed all the sona boob posts
i liked the old sona splash more, and i swear it wasnt because of the boobs.
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EPT
