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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On March 07 2013 20:56 Zhiroo wrote: 'I'm last pick so I mid!' - and I thought I've seen everything LOL :D I swear I had a game once where I was lastpick, already picking my supportpages and all 4 of the other guys wrote 'support' in chat. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:18 ihasaKAROT wrote: I swear I had a game once where I was lastpick, already picking my supportpages and all 4 of the other guys wrote 'support' in chat. While I am sure you wouldn't just make that up, that sort of shit needs a screenshot or I will never believe it haha. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:18 ihasaKAROT wrote: I swear I had a game once where I was lastpick, already picking my supportpages and all 4 of the other guys wrote 'support' in chat. I see a lot people willing to support lately so I'm not surprised. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On March 07 2013 20:56 Zhiroo wrote: 'I'm last pick so I mid!' - and I thought I've seen everything LOL :D after the 5th game in a row where our first pick locked in an easily countered mid char sometimes I wish we'd actually play like this :p Dont get me wrong, I'll accept whatever you want to play, but locking in Nasus top lane and Karthus mid lane as first and second pick is just asking to get dunked by the enemy team.... (Regarding supports I've had 3 games where people call support than once Thresh is banned they decide that support isn't their role after all :p) | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On March 07 2013 17:55 Sufficiency wrote: I actually think they are roughly the same in terms of "difficulty". I can't think of a single reason why Lulu is supposed to be significantly harder to play than Janna. Sure, Lulu's Q is very narrow, but you get two of them. Also Lulu's R is (imo) one of the most fool-proof ultimate in the game. I don't think Lulu is as idiot proof. I've had random Lulu supports in gold not know they probably should polymorph the enemy ADC when Taric stuns me. Or polymorph Taric before he stuns me. They just sort of sit there and let me get wailed on for no reason... when they're Lulu. Part of it may be the dual nature of her w and e confusing people. So they're like "glitterlance spam!" because it is simple and forget that the rest of her kit exists. I suppose a clueless Janna is probably about as bad, but I've never really seen many of those. >_> | ||
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Sermokala
United States14103 Posts
Fucking zyra though how do I stop her support as another support? | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On March 07 2013 20:52 wei2coolman wrote: need more meat to support those "oatmeal sacks" (not my words; lol). that's why the concept art was skipped; though I do think the armory/weaponry on that concept art looks better than how she looks now. The floating weaponry had to be thicker because in-game thin swords like that were too hard to read. This applied to the hair too. On March 07 2013 20:37 Eiii wrote: Why does this keep happening? Like, the people working at riot are pretty fucking smart at this point. Is it just that they're really afraid of releasing a female champ that doesn't catch people's attention, and feel they need to make them sexy to accomplish that... for the billionth time? Some kind of related business concern? Why won't they, like say that if it's the case? I really hope it's not just something in the water there! I think they give the community what it wants. Remember, they changed the Christmas Kat animation not because they thought pelvic thrusting a pole was inappropriate for the game but because players told them that Kat wasn't the right character to have a stripper dance on (they had plenty of other choices for that). Bunny Riven got through because people wanted it. Naysayers said it more or less turned her to the sex object, but no one cared because (a) the concept was funny and (b) even if they agreed they liked sex objects and saw no problem with it because, well, it's not the uptight 50s any more. Though they haven't stated it recently this kind of thing stems from both artistic and business concerns. Artistically it's simply harder to design female characters because if you don't show visible breasts and curves then you get people thinking that they are men (e.g. Kayle/Quinn). I think the business side of this is pretty obvious. Ever wonder why LoL has so many more normal looking people in it than DotA? Because normal people sell better than monsters, barring some huge "cool" factor (like Nocturne). Ugliness doesn't sell well either: Xin Zhao sells better than Gragas and Gragas sells better than Urgot (who was perhaps the biggest flop ever). Riot has to consciously release things we don't buy (like supports) and honestly I think most LoL players see the portrayal of women in LoL (a purely idealist kind of thing) as even less of an issue than the release of supports (which actually has an effect on gameplay). | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Lulu can literally 1v2 some AD/support combos bottom while her AD free farms. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:13 barbsq wrote: If it's a question of poor design, then I fail to see how tweaking numbers will do anything. Making a champion better doesn't always mean making him numerically stronger. Also, need is not really the right way to look at it IMO. I personally think it's more of a question of whether or not a remake can enhance the gameplay to a state significantly superior to the previous, all while better realizing the original vision for the champ. In the cases of twitch, Kayle and Kat, I think they did a phenomenal job in that respect. There are no poorly designed champions in league in my opinion. I mean, I liked the old twitch and felt he was completely viable and that the changes to him were all nerfs. He had stealth but stealth didn't make him overpowered. Even the scout in starcraft BW served a purpose of preventing guardians or BCs or carriers from dominating games. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14103 Posts
every poky support should be capable of 1v2ing the enemy duo while your adc free farms. The problem comes when janna isn't a poke support and people think she is. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:39 overt wrote: How on Earth would people think that Lulu, one of the strongest lane supports and arguably the most versatile support, is harder to play than Janna, the notoriously bad at lane phase support who has an ability that can cause her team to just lose games if she messes it up? Lulu can literally 1v2 some AD/support combos bottom while her AD free farms. Janna has better survivability before level 6 imo. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:39 overt wrote: How on Earth would people think that Lulu, one of the strongest lane supports and arguably the most versatile support, is harder to play than Janna, the notoriously bad at lane phase support who has an ability that can cause her team to just lose games if she messes it up? Lulu can literally 1v2 some AD/support combos bottom while her AD free farms. Honestly, you will never screw up a monsoon if you focus on using it ENTIRELY as peel. GTFO MY AD CARRY. They try to jump back in? Interrupt their jump with a Q. What makes her hard is using the shield and Q cooldowns effectively, and her mana has some issues. It's when you try to "catch" someone with your monsoon that the risk of misplays happens. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
And headhunter nidalee... I hope I like it, I missed out on bewitching because I didn't play Nidalee yet. Still frustrated at the nerfs on nidalee right now though  | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 07 2013 20:08 BlueBird. wrote: I'm not following the discussion at all.. But I'd like to jump in here. However I think your confusing what slut shaming is Maybe I missed something, and someone called karma a hoar because of her outfit, then your correct. Portraying every women in league of legends as a sexual object that is not Annie is not a good thing for the game, while its fine to have some hyper sexualized characters if it fits that character but, there should be a balance, just like in real life, and league has not found that balance. (it's so far from that balance it's not funny ) it's not really hyper sexualisation at all. All the male characters are hugely well muscled, but nobody complains about that. It's just they are making them traditionally attractive. If you're at a ball the men all wear full tuxedos and the women are wearing gowns, its just how shit works. I really don't see what you expect them to make female characters look like. like how the fuck can something that's not an object be a sex object?? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:17 Slayer91 wrote: it's not really hyper sexualisation at all. All the male characters are hugely well muscled, but nobody complains about that. It's just they are making them traditionally attractive. If you're at a ball the men all wear full tuxedos and the women are wearing gowns, its just how shit works. I really don't see what you expect them to make female characters look like. like how the fuck can something that's not an object be a sex object?? Favorite video regarding this subject: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5950-Tropes-vs-MovieBob | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 08 2013 00:52 sylverfyre wrote: Gladiator Draven looks so... Draven. And headhunter nidalee... I hope I like it, I missed out on bewitching because I didn't play Nidalee yet. Still frustrated at the nerfs on nidalee right now though His recall animation is pretty nice. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
People care more about womens appearance (not strictly true either, come to a job interview poorly dressed with a terrible haircut and unshaven see how well you do, it's just more regimented and simple on how to make yourself look decent for men) therefore video games should have more fat and ugly women? And men are allowed to see super buff men as self-image fantasy but women aren't? This is the most retarded argument I've heard thus far. Shit women have plenty of problems but blaming it on video games is no better than the guys in the US trying to ban video games because someone who killed people happened to also play video games. (compare to people who havent played any at all, lets go to poor places, oh wait murderers are even worse there nvm) I've seen sensible arguments about female armour in games where fair enough it clearly won't provide protection for example but this is just dumb. | ||
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