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On March 08 2013 02:21 Alaric wrote:
In Karma's case it's only compounded by the fact that her current image, and the one players have consistently explained as being one of the reasons they found her compelling/bought her in the first place, isn't in that "traditional" paradigm you're talking about, while the new looks fits in.
Personally I'd certainly have reacted less strongly if that had been the splash/model of a new champ, rather than Karma's, because of that stark contrast. Amongst the players' crowd, Karma's identity has come to be associated with that stern, dignified woman in robes. I think stern is a good wording here—I don't mean that other arts can't convey dignity.
But I feel it did its job of establishing Karma as that poised, ever-calm lady who spiritually leads her people (Ionans were supposed to be somewhat distressed in general because of Noxus, in comparison to her). I don't mind the new art as far as "badass spirit mage" goes, but the shift is pretty steep and the fact that we go from "traditional cleric-like robes and inner strength" to "tight or revealing outfit with dynamic poses" doesn't help. Of course, there's Riot wanting to make her evolve to reflect the time passing in the League, from her current "Elder-like: with restraint and passivity" closer to "boiling young blood, active" from champs such as Irelia or Syndra (though it's most probably just an excuse for "we wanted her to look battle badass because we like it more and that sells well"), and the idea of the shift makes sense following that, just... maybe more subtly? :/
(Fwiw I find Syndra's model elegant as far as aesthetics go but I definitely dislike the splash art and the focus in puts on her thighs and breats with the colour contrast and stuff, because when I read her lore and quotes and then look back to the splash art I find nothing of what I read, except her Ionan crest and the building in the background.)
Well, they are going to release a redo of the more traditional Karma skin for people that have her: + Show Spoiler +
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The thing about that traditional Karma skin is that it still clearly looks like it was just a clothing texture applied to a model that wasn't originally designed to be covered in those areas.
Also, high heels.
On March 08 2013 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i liked the old sona splash more, and i swear it wasnt because of the boobs.
It's because the old art style is more consistent with your expectations from the game, IMO. Related to my post earlier, the new Sona art is jarring because it's markedly different from the art style of other champions, so it feels inconsistent overall.
On March 08 2013 03:14 phyvo wrote:
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions.
Come play DotA 2. 
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On March 08 2013 03:38 TheYango wrote:The thing about that traditional Karma skin is that it still clearly looks like it was just a clothing texture applied to a model that wasn't originally designed to be covered in those areas. Also, high heels. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i liked the old sona splash more, and i swear it wasnt because of the boobs. It's because the old art style is more consistent with your expectations from the game, IMO. Related to my post earlier, the new Sona art is jarring because it's markedly different from the art style of other champions, so it feels inconsistent overall. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 phyvo wrote:
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions. Come play DotA 2.
I liked the old sona ingame icon so much more.
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On March 08 2013 03:38 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 phyvo wrote:
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions. Come play DotA 2.
Is there still that TL LoL group that plays DotA 2? If so maybe I'll come join you guys sometime. LoL/DotA just not the same outside of 5s.
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On March 08 2013 03:53 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:38 TheYango wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 phyvo wrote:
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions. Come play DotA 2. Is there still that TL LoL group that plays DotA 2? If so maybe I'll come join you guys sometime. LoL/DotA just not the same outside of 5s.
We still have a bunch of people who play, we just stopped using the thread.
Also, r.Evodirty Euros like r.Evo and MoonBear and I can never get our schedules to line up anymore.
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You always come on at like 5am or some crazy time.
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I wish I had time to play LoL, never mind DotA.
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If Yango is a porkchop what would Lulu be? I vote grape.
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On March 08 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:53 phyvo wrote:On March 08 2013 03:38 TheYango wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 phyvo wrote:
I also don't think Riot in particular has a huge social responsibility here. It would be nice if they catered to me more (I love monsters and am generally bored with people champs) but I'm one customer out of millions. Come play DotA 2. Is there still that TL LoL group that plays DotA 2? If so maybe I'll come join you guys sometime. LoL/DotA just not the same outside of 5s. We still have a bunch of people who play, we just stopped using the thread. Also, r.Evodirty Euros like r.Evo and MoonBear and I can never get our schedules to line up anymore.
With phyvo involved you have a decent chance of him guilting me into completing any five-man group.
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How come TL doesn't do inhouses.
I know we've talked about this in previous threads, but why aren't there like Saturday night inhouses for tryharding after we do goofy shit on Fridays for TROLLS.
Is it just that there's nobody organizing it? Is it something people would want to do?
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On March 08 2013 03:38 TheYango wrote:
The thing about that traditional Karma skin is that it still clearly looks like it was just a clothing texture applied to a model that wasn't originally designed to be covered in those areas.
Also, high heels.
It's called pants. Lets make every girl wear to the floor skirts, because when they wear pants they're clearly saying they want to walk around in panties. Also, I don't see heels on that skin, only boots.
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I shall call him squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my squishy.
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On March 08 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
How come TL doesn't do inhouses.
I know we've talked about this in previous threads, but why aren't there like Saturday night inhouses for tryharding after we do goofy shit on Fridays for TROLLS.
Is it just that there's nobody organizing it? Is it something people would want to do?
I know you're new, man, but all throughout last summer there were multiple inhouses going every night.
LiquidPractice channel.
They have since died somewhat in popularity as all the LoL channels have, but every once in a while people get a 5s going. You're welcome to try to get stuff going but greater men than you have tried and since failed.
TL IH RIP
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Last IH I played in on EUW seemed to have some blaming and raging going on, sadly.  What do we care if we fail or somebody did something silly, I obviously understand making sure you're on the same page if somebody'd like to play troll-y stuff, but what need do we have to tryhard in IH where the skill discrepancy is gonna be huge anyway?
On March 08 2013 03:31 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:21 Alaric wrote:
In Karma's case it's only compounded by the fact that her current image, and the one players have consistently explained as being one of the reasons they found her compelling/bought her in the first place, isn't in that "traditional" paradigm you're talking about, while the new looks fits in.
Personally I'd certainly have reacted less strongly if that had been the splash/model of a new champ, rather than Karma's, because of that stark contrast. Amongst the players' crowd, Karma's identity has come to be associated with that stern, dignified woman in robes. I think stern is a good wording here—I don't mean that other arts can't convey dignity.
But I feel it did its job of establishing Karma as that poised, ever-calm lady who spiritually leads her people (Ionans were supposed to be somewhat distressed in general because of Noxus, in comparison to her). I don't mind the new art as far as "badass spirit mage" goes, but the shift is pretty steep and the fact that we go from "traditional cleric-like robes and inner strength" to "tight or revealing outfit with dynamic poses" doesn't help. Of course, there's Riot wanting to make her evolve to reflect the time passing in the League, from her current "Elder-like: with restraint and passivity" closer to "boiling young blood, active" from champs such as Irelia or Syndra (though it's most probably just an excuse for "we wanted her to look battle badass because we like it more and that sells well"), and the idea of the shift makes sense following that, just... maybe more subtly? :/
(Fwiw I find Syndra's model elegant as far as aesthetics go but I definitely dislike the splash art and the focus in puts on her thighs and breats with the colour contrast and stuff, because when I read her lore and quotes and then look back to the splash art I find nothing of what I read, except her Ionan crest and the building in the background.) Well, they are going to release a redo of the more traditional Karma skin for people that have her: + Show Spoiler +
That's why I bought her yesterday, even though I don't intend to play her now with the rework no close (if I am to learn a champ I'll focus on one that doesn't run the risk to make my efforts obsolete in a few weeks depending on the new kit  ).
As for the new Sona art, it's definitely, uh... I'm not sure what's the English word for it. Finer? More astute? More refined? Something of that magnitude. The guys who make the splashes definitely improved and stuff, it's not a case of being downright ugly like Yi, Cassiopeia or Morde new splashes. But it doesn't feel at all like the previous splash. So between what the two convey, if you feel the original one was closer to the image you had of the champ, then the new one is worse as Sona's splash art, though not necessarily as a picture.
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On March 08 2013 04:23 Requizen wrote:
I shall call him squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my squishy.
The signature looks like it says "Stylus", I can't read the signature of the witness.
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On March 08 2013 04:23 Requizen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I shall call him squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my squishy.
Wasn't there a little green blob moving around in the Mac client trailer? I remember wondering what that was.
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On March 08 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
How come TL doesn't do inhouses.
I know we've talked about this in previous threads, but why aren't there like Saturday night inhouses for tryharding after we do goofy shit on Fridays for TROLLS.
Is it just that there's nobody organizing it? Is it something people would want to do? I know you're new, man, but all throughout last summer there were multiple inhouses going every night. LiquidPractice channel. They have since died somewhat in popularity as all the LoL channels have, but every once in a while people get a 5s going. You're welcome to try to get stuff going but greater men than you have tried and since failed. TL IH RIP
Ares is a great man and has yet to fail. If you hang out in the chat enough you tend to figure out who's there to idle for no reason and who actually plays with other TL players.
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On March 08 2013 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 koreasilver wrote:On March 08 2013 02:39 SagaZ wrote:
Characters in League of legends are cartoons... If you see them as sex objects you're kinda weird tbh have you missed all the sona boob posts i liked the old sona splash more, and i swear it wasnt because of the boobs.
I liked it better as well, mostly because it actually looked like her in game model.
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