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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 12 2013 21:08 GMT
#2561
Oh my god. If for april fools they made all minions mini-draven looking minions that would be the most hilarious shit everrrrr. Even if it was just his face pastes on the melee minions I'd laugh my ass off.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 21:10:57
March 12 2013 21:10 GMT
#2562
And instead of "Welcome to Summoner's Rift" the announcer is all like "WELCOME TO THE LEAGUE OF DRAVEN"

"30 SECONDS UNTIL DRAVENS SPAWN"
"DRAVENS HAVE SPAWNED"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 12 2013 21:16 GMT
#2563
This. Must. Happen.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 12 2013 21:16 GMT
#2564
4 is the point of diminishing returns for pages. I have six pages and it's more than I ever find useful. I reiterate I don't see an issue with them selling pages but starting people with two is just them making the game worse so that you'll pay money. It's deliberately obnoxious. I wonder if we'd even be having this discussion if you started with zero or one.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 12 2013 21:20 GMT
#2565
On March 13 2013 06:05 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:28 Alaric wrote:
Man last hitting with Cass early on much harder than it looks, especially if you want to harass at the same time. DoTs screw me much more than I'd have thought. :<
Plus I just noticed but her base AD is on the lower side, even for a mage. Gotta work up those mechanics.

Edit: guy digging up stuff. Pulling hair of course, but the fact that he said "24th letter" surprised me, I know some languages like Spanish have a different set of letters using the romanic alphabet, but considering it's on NA shouldn't it be 26 like with most languages using romanic?


I know exactly what you mean.

I have my games where I miss like 70% of the cs with her, purely because fucking snakes don't do enough damage to minions or dot OP. Then I have games where I get most of the cs. She really is a difficult champ to play in the end, though her wave clear is pretty decent still. Level 3 q will kill casters by the end of the tick, and if you use her passive well enough, w+e can clear melee minions pretty well.

Do you run AP runes or 21 offense to get those caster minions though?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 12 2013 21:20 GMT
#2566
Two pages is enough for a level 1 account, you don't have any runes anyway. By the time you actually need runepages, you have acumulated enough IP to buy another one.

Having reasons for people to buy RP is Riots way of making money, this is just one of them.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#2567
The bare minimum you'd need for semi competitive play is 4 pages. Flat ad page, ap page, support page, and a as/ms page for jungling. then you'd want a ap page, one with Mr, one with armor, one with both or neither. That lets you min max every matchup. Same thing for top. Some junglers don't make good use of ms quints and want ad or something. All these things add up.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#2568
On March 13 2013 06:20 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:05 Cloud9157 wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:28 Alaric wrote:
Man last hitting with Cass early on much harder than it looks, especially if you want to harass at the same time. DoTs screw me much more than I'd have thought. :<
Plus I just noticed but her base AD is on the lower side, even for a mage. Gotta work up those mechanics.

Edit: guy digging up stuff. Pulling hair of course, but the fact that he said "24th letter" surprised me, I know some languages like Spanish have a different set of letters using the romanic alphabet, but considering it's on NA shouldn't it be 26 like with most languages using romanic?


I know exactly what you mean.

I have my games where I miss like 70% of the cs with her, purely because fucking snakes don't do enough damage to minions or dot OP. Then I have games where I get most of the cs. She really is a difficult champ to play in the end, though her wave clear is pretty decent still. Level 3 q will kill casters by the end of the tick, and if you use her passive well enough, w+e can clear melee minions pretty well.

Do you run AP runes or 21 offense to get those caster minions though?


Gotta do both for tons of damage.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#2569
On March 13 2013 06:20 zodde wrote:
Two pages is enough for a level 1 account, you don't have any runes anyway. By the time you actually need runepages, you have acumulated enough IP to buy another one.

Having reasons for people to buy RP is Riots way of making money, this is just one of them.


This is an IP sink. They have plenty of IP sinks. I believe skins(RP only) is where they make most of their money anyway?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 12 2013 21:34 GMT
#2570
On March 13 2013 06:29 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:20 zodde wrote:
Two pages is enough for a level 1 account, you don't have any runes anyway. By the time you actually need runepages, you have acumulated enough IP to buy another one.

Having reasons for people to buy RP is Riots way of making money, this is just one of them.


This is an IP sink. They have plenty of IP sinks. I believe skins(RP only) is where they make most of their money anyway?


If you don't have IP for runes, champions and runepages, you have buy RP. Since runepages have the best IP/RP ratios of everything that is available with both currencies, they are the best choice.

Having more IP sinks then there is IP gain also makes sure people buy IP boosts or buy stuff with RP. If you had enough IP to buy everything you can get with IP, skins would be the only thing people buy with RP. These IP sinks make sure people buy newly released champions with RP because they spent their IP on other shit.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 12 2013 21:35 GMT
#2571
Has anyone played around with AP varus? I just played a blindpick game to try it out, admittedly was abit fed but 3 autos into e/q proc for 40-60% max Health magic dmg was hilarious. Went Nashor's tooth-Dcap-zhonyas
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
March 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#2572
Realistically once you hit 30 and if you jump straight into ranked you can get by with one rune pages and 16 champions. It sucks, it 100% sucks but if you have a single AD/AD/Ar/Mr page that you use for everything you can get to the bottom end of gold pretty easily as long as any APs you play mid can make use of the autoattack damage (zyra, annie etc). Definitely sub-optimal but

That's what I did for my secondary account for the longest time. That account now has three pages and a AD/AD/Ar/MR, AP/Mpen/Ar/MR and gp10/AD/Ar/MR.

Not optimal but good enough for middle of gold pretty easily.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 12 2013 22:06 GMT
#2573
And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:12:25
March 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#2574
I have 5 different support rune pages and believe all of them are necessary and improve my win-rate. I could definately set up 10+ dedicated support pages and use them all. On top of that I have attack/move -speed jungle, ad carry, ap vs ap, ap vs ad rune pages. I believe the lack of variety in top-lane pages depending on matchup is harming my win-rate (all my bruisers are just a standard ad carry page).

Not so much lately but Dyrus used to show just how important minor adjustments in runes/masteries really are. You could clearly see the difference in his Vlad's strengths between games as he showed the different setups. On a side-note I wish Dyrus would play Vlad again.

Edit: If you ever play vs an AD carry or AD bruiser without armour seals, no matter who your champ is, it is a nightmare for lane.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#2575
On March 13 2013 07:06 thenexusp wrote:
And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that


B/C Dyrus was playing Malphite and didn't notice b/c hes Dyrus
Freeeeeeedom
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:20:18
March 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#2576
On March 13 2013 07:06 thenexusp wrote:
And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that

That argument actually upsets me more than the other ones, especially since hotshot was disallowed from setting up runepages after champ select had begun when it was obviously simply a mistake and he probably didn't realize that LCS was on a different tournament realm with different runepages.

Runes are like 1000 gold (give or take) or so worth of stats at level 1. It's a silly handicap that you have to grind as much as you do before you have access to the mere OPTION of running more than 2 sets.

A competitive game should not be so VASTLY different when played at the amateur level and the pro level.

From Sirlin's blog (a respected board game designer):

Extra Credits mentioned League of Legends, and as someone interested in the future of games, I have to fault any mention of the game that doesn't include a mention that a competitive game shouldn't have a forced grind (even for those willing to pay) to get gameplay-relevant elements. It would be ridiculous in Street Fighter to force a grind to be able to pick the real Blanka, it would be ridiculous in Starcraft to force a grind to be able to pick the real Protoss, and it *is* ridiculous in League of Legends that a forced grind is part of a competitive game. It goes against the sprit of competition to throw up an artificial, time-wasting barrier where you play some different game until you finally get to play the real one. Don't let that cancer infect other competitive games.


His complaint is a lot more broad, but it rings disturbingly loudly.

My own suggestion is pretty tame, and specifically targets the problem of the lowering the barrier of entry. I'm not going to try and address the conflict (I agree with Sirlin's perspective on this matter) between the spirit of competition, and Riot's business model.

First additional runepage: 1350 IP
Second additional runepage: 3150 IP
Third additional runepage: 4800 IP
Every runepage thereafter: 6300 IP.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:13:32
March 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#2577
On March 13 2013 07:09 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:06 thenexusp wrote:
And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that

That argument actually upsets me more than the other ones, especially since hotshot was disallowed from setting up runepages after champ select had begun when it was obviously simply a mistake and he probably didn't realize that LCS was on a different tournament realm with different runepages.

It shows that runes aren't as big of an advantage as people make it out to seem.

EDIT: I was responding to the comment "you can get to low gold with just one page" ... you can probably go way past low gold with just one page

EDIT2: I also find it hard to believe that more rune pages would increase your win rate. You will be stronger, but that just results in you being matched up against stronger opponents, and your winrate should stay around 50% unless you're at the very top or very bottom.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:17:18
March 12 2013 22:16 GMT
#2578
you could fit mid/top/jungle/AD on literally one rune page(flat AD/arpen/armor/mr) and separate mastery pages
you could even run hybrid marks if you really wanted to :/

i feel pretty strongly that runes are only to make you stronger early-mid game in certain lanes
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#2579
On March 13 2013 07:04 Lmui wrote:
Realistically once you hit 30 and if you jump straight into ranked you can get by with one rune pages and 16 champions. It sucks, it 100% sucks but if you have a single AD/AD/Ar/Mr page that you use for everything you can get to the bottom end of gold pretty easily as long as any APs you play mid can make use of the autoattack damage (zyra, annie etc). Definitely sub-optimal but

That's what I did for my secondary account for the longest time. That account now has three pages and a AD/AD/Ar/MR, AP/Mpen/Ar/MR and gp10/AD/Ar/MR.

Not optimal but good enough for middle of gold pretty easily.


I'm in D2 and I see people whose accounts have been banned running 3-4 runepages on new accounts. I'm sure there are players even higher than this who can do on 3 pages. Looking at the challenger league ROBERTxGEEGEE has 4 because his main was banned from elo jobbing. And as far as I can tell one is useless, a single lifesteal quint replacing an AD quint in one page. Having a lot of runepages isn't necessary to hit challenger league, so I guess the complaints about them being necessary are from the hordes of people who are only playing in high level tournaments?
日本語が分かりますか
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#2580
On March 13 2013 06:35 AsnSensation wrote:
Has anyone played around with AP varus? I just played a blindpick game to try it out, admittedly was abit fed but 3 autos into e/q proc for 40-60% max Health magic dmg was hilarious. Went Nashor's tooth-Dcap-zhonyas


Nashor's is definitely the correct start. I like DFG over Deathcap for additional CDR and burst. You'll have less AP, but the active does additional maximum Health % damage and enhances your burst further (3 autos -> DFG -> proc is a ton of burst, especially if you have the opportunity to proc with R).

The real expert, or at least dabbler, for AP Varus on TL is phyvo.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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