EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 129
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
"30 SECONDS UNTIL DRAVENS SPAWN" "DRAVENS HAVE SPAWNED" | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:05 Cloud9157 wrote: I know exactly what you mean. I have my games where I miss like 70% of the cs with her, purely because fucking snakes don't do enough damage to minions or dot OP. Then I have games where I get most of the cs. She really is a difficult champ to play in the end, though her wave clear is pretty decent still. Level 3 q will kill casters by the end of the tick, and if you use her passive well enough, w+e can clear melee minions pretty well. Do you run AP runes or 21 offense to get those caster minions though? | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
Having reasons for people to buy RP is Riots way of making money, this is just one of them. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:20 Alaric wrote: Do you run AP runes or 21 offense to get those caster minions though? Gotta do both for tons of damage. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:20 zodde wrote: Two pages is enough for a level 1 account, you don't have any runes anyway. By the time you actually need runepages, you have acumulated enough IP to buy another one. Having reasons for people to buy RP is Riots way of making money, this is just one of them. This is an IP sink. They have plenty of IP sinks. I believe skins(RP only) is where they make most of their money anyway? | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:29 Numy wrote: This is an IP sink. They have plenty of IP sinks. I believe skins(RP only) is where they make most of their money anyway? If you don't have IP for runes, champions and runepages, you have buy RP. Since runepages have the best IP/RP ratios of everything that is available with both currencies, they are the best choice. Having more IP sinks then there is IP gain also makes sure people buy IP boosts or buy stuff with RP. If you had enough IP to buy everything you can get with IP, skins would be the only thing people buy with RP. These IP sinks make sure people buy newly released champions with RP because they spent their IP on other shit. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
That's what I did for my secondary account for the longest time. That account now has three pages and a AD/AD/Ar/MR, AP/Mpen/Ar/MR and gp10/AD/Ar/MR. Not optimal but good enough for middle of gold pretty easily. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
Not so much lately but Dyrus used to show just how important minor adjustments in runes/masteries really are. You could clearly see the difference in his Vlad's strengths between games as he showed the different setups. On a side-note I wish Dyrus would play Vlad again. Edit: If you ever play vs an AD carry or AD bruiser without armour seals, no matter who your champ is, it is a nightmare for lane. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 13 2013 07:06 thenexusp wrote: And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that B/C Dyrus was playing Malphite and didn't notice b/c hes Dyrus | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 13 2013 07:06 thenexusp wrote: And also HSGG won against TSM with no runes at all, can't forget that That argument actually upsets me more than the other ones, especially since hotshot was disallowed from setting up runepages after champ select had begun when it was obviously simply a mistake and he probably didn't realize that LCS was on a different tournament realm with different runepages. Runes are like 1000 gold (give or take) or so worth of stats at level 1. It's a silly handicap that you have to grind as much as you do before you have access to the mere OPTION of running more than 2 sets. A competitive game should not be so VASTLY different when played at the amateur level and the pro level. From Sirlin's blog (a respected board game designer): Extra Credits mentioned League of Legends, and as someone interested in the future of games, I have to fault any mention of the game that doesn't include a mention that a competitive game shouldn't have a forced grind (even for those willing to pay) to get gameplay-relevant elements. It would be ridiculous in Street Fighter to force a grind to be able to pick the real Blanka, it would be ridiculous in Starcraft to force a grind to be able to pick the real Protoss, and it *is* ridiculous in League of Legends that a forced grind is part of a competitive game. It goes against the sprit of competition to throw up an artificial, time-wasting barrier where you play some different game until you finally get to play the real one. Don't let that cancer infect other competitive games. His complaint is a lot more broad, but it rings disturbingly loudly. My own suggestion is pretty tame, and specifically targets the problem of the lowering the barrier of entry. I'm not going to try and address the conflict (I agree with Sirlin's perspective on this matter) between the spirit of competition, and Riot's business model. First additional runepage: 1350 IP Second additional runepage: 3150 IP Third additional runepage: 4800 IP Every runepage thereafter: 6300 IP. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 13 2013 07:09 sylverfyre wrote: That argument actually upsets me more than the other ones, especially since hotshot was disallowed from setting up runepages after champ select had begun when it was obviously simply a mistake and he probably didn't realize that LCS was on a different tournament realm with different runepages. It shows that runes aren't as big of an advantage as people make it out to seem. EDIT: I was responding to the comment "you can get to low gold with just one page" ... you can probably go way past low gold with just one page EDIT2: I also find it hard to believe that more rune pages would increase your win rate. You will be stronger, but that just results in you being matched up against stronger opponents, and your winrate should stay around 50% unless you're at the very top or very bottom. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
you could even run hybrid marks if you really wanted to :/ i feel pretty strongly that runes are only to make you stronger early-mid game in certain lanes | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On March 13 2013 07:04 Lmui wrote: Realistically once you hit 30 and if you jump straight into ranked you can get by with one rune pages and 16 champions. It sucks, it 100% sucks but if you have a single AD/AD/Ar/Mr page that you use for everything you can get to the bottom end of gold pretty easily as long as any APs you play mid can make use of the autoattack damage (zyra, annie etc). Definitely sub-optimal but That's what I did for my secondary account for the longest time. That account now has three pages and a AD/AD/Ar/MR, AP/Mpen/Ar/MR and gp10/AD/Ar/MR. Not optimal but good enough for middle of gold pretty easily. I'm in D2 and I see people whose accounts have been banned running 3-4 runepages on new accounts. I'm sure there are players even higher than this who can do on 3 pages. Looking at the challenger league ROBERTxGEEGEE has 4 because his main was banned from elo jobbing. And as far as I can tell one is useless, a single lifesteal quint replacing an AD quint in one page. Having a lot of runepages isn't necessary to hit challenger league, so I guess the complaints about them being necessary are from the hordes of people who are only playing in high level tournaments? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:35 AsnSensation wrote: Has anyone played around with AP varus? I just played a blindpick game to try it out, admittedly was abit fed but 3 autos into e/q proc for 40-60% max Health magic dmg was hilarious. Went Nashor's tooth-Dcap-zhonyas Nashor's is definitely the correct start. I like DFG over Deathcap for additional CDR and burst. You'll have less AP, but the active does additional maximum Health % damage and enhances your burst further (3 autos -> DFG -> proc is a ton of burst, especially if you have the opportunity to proc with R). The real expert, or at least dabbler, for AP Varus on TL is phyvo. | ||
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