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On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing?
Who is in your current lineup jungle-wise?
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I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now.
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On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing?
Fizz and Renekton are both champs that need more farm than the jungle can provide. Tanky Fizz was played with for a bit after his release, but it had worse results than AP Fizz. The jungle doesn't give enough gold for AP Fizz; at least not the kind of build he wants. His clear is also incredibly slow. His only aoe is mana-intensive and high cooldown. His Q is too high cooldown to be spammed to clear camps fast and his W deals more damage the lower the hp of the target, which is kinda counter-productive for jungling. Renekton is a lane bully; no real reason to put him in the jungle when you can put him top and win the lane.
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On February 20 2013 04:03 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:00 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. If I recall correctly the problem wasn't any concern about the SC2 community, but the lack of available staff. There were enough staff members interested in DotA 2 for TL to support it, but not enough for LoL. Your telling me that they couldnt get enough decent people here to support that? Sorry, callin bullshit on that one. There are enough respected people here to where if TL really wanted to make the expansion happen, they could. Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. As Neo has stated several times in the past, a big issue with TL picking up LoL officially has a lot to do with the staff size. Back when TL picked up Dota 2 most of the LoL write-ups we being done regularly by Neo, JBright, and Moon, not nearly enough for front page coverage. And people that were already on staff favored Dota 2 over LoL, which hey, if they like Dota 2 better I can see why they'd enjoy writing about it more. As time has gone on the staff has expanded and we are taking steps to produce even more high quality content. In time we hope we can prove we deserve just as much recognition as either SC or Dota. Problem was we had no place to put it. And again, if TL actually wanted to expand, they could very easily take respected members of this subforum, staff them, then expand. And remember, our subforum was ALWAYS bigger than the Dota 2 one, and they were able to scale into a full subforum easily enough.
Do we need to become the prominent LoL coverage site? Maybe it's a stupid question but I feel it warrants asking, as I am quite content with the community we've fostered in our little oasis tucked deep within TL. We have our name out there a decent amount, and we provide a community for people who want to do more than watch silly/funny videos and come up with clever quotes for them. We have several high profile players posting regularly, and have the absolute gem in the form of Yango.
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On February 20 2013 04:08 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing? Who is in your current lineup jungle-wise?
I've mostly been playing Skarner and Voli for the past few weeks in jungle, with a few one-offs.
Ones that I've played enough to feel competent with: Skarner, Voli, Naut, Amumu (generally banned in Silver), Elise (kind of bores me tho), Darius (super fun), Warwick, Hec, Riven, Nunu (I always get bitched at for picking him tho).
Ones that I have but don't play/haven't played enough: Xin, Vi, Rengar (I think he sucks as a jungler now), Kha, Cho, Rammus (fun but haven't had a chance to play him a lot), Jax, Jayce, Kayle, GP, Diana, Mundo, Akali, Lee (fuck Lee), Olaf (axes hard meng).
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As you know I do not believe sarcasm is a good way to communicate online and it would thereforce never occur to me to be sarcastic. Honest.
Please don't hit me
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On February 20 2013 04:15 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:08 Gahlo wrote:On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing? Who is in your current lineup jungle-wise? I've mostly been playing Skarner and Voli for the past few weeks in jungle, with a few one-offs. Ones that I've played enough to feel competent with: Skarner, Voli, Naut, Amumu (generally banned in Silver), Elise (kind of bores me tho), Darius (super fun), Warwick, Hec, Riven, Nunu (I always get bitched at for picking him tho). Ones that I have but don't play/haven't played enough: Xin, Vi, Rengar (I think he sucks as a jungler now), Kha, Cho, Rammus (fun but haven't had a chance to play him a lot), Jax, Jayce, Kayle, GP, Diana, Mundo, Akali, Lee (fuck Lee).
Where is Olaf?
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On February 20 2013 04:19 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:15 Requizen wrote:On February 20 2013 04:08 Gahlo wrote:On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing? Who is in your current lineup jungle-wise? I've mostly been playing Skarner and Voli for the past few weeks in jungle, with a few one-offs. Ones that I've played enough to feel competent with: Skarner, Voli, Naut, Amumu (generally banned in Silver), Elise (kind of bores me tho), Darius (super fun), Warwick, Hec, Riven, Nunu (I always get bitched at for picking him tho). Ones that I have but don't play/haven't played enough: Xin, Vi, Rengar (I think he sucks as a jungler now), Kha, Cho, Rammus (fun but haven't had a chance to play him a lot), Jax, Jayce, Kayle, GP, Diana, Mundo, Akali, Lee (fuck Lee). Where is Olaf?
Oh. Uh, second list, I still suck at landing axes.
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On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there.
I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying they just did not want to do it. You are putting extra words where there are none. It's pretty simple.
The PR answer is "staff issues", but you've been around the TL LoL community long enough, you know that cannot be true at all.
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On February 20 2013 04:14 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 04:00 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. If I recall correctly the problem wasn't any concern about the SC2 community, but the lack of available staff. There were enough staff members interested in DotA 2 for TL to support it, but not enough for LoL. Your telling me that they couldnt get enough decent people here to support that? Sorry, callin bullshit on that one. There are enough respected people here to where if TL really wanted to make the expansion happen, they could. On February 20 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. As Neo has stated several times in the past, a big issue with TL picking up LoL officially has a lot to do with the staff size. Back when TL picked up Dota 2 most of the LoL write-ups we being done regularly by Neo, JBright, and Moon, not nearly enough for front page coverage. And people that were already on staff favored Dota 2 over LoL, which hey, if they like Dota 2 better I can see why they'd enjoy writing about it more. As time has gone on the staff has expanded and we are taking steps to produce even more high quality content. In time we hope we can prove we deserve just as much recognition as either SC or Dota. Problem was we had no place to put it. And again, if TL actually wanted to expand, they could very easily take respected members of this subforum, staff them, then expand. And remember, our subforum was ALWAYS bigger than the Dota 2 one, and they were able to scale into a full subforum easily enough. Do we need to become the prominent LoL coverage site? Maybe it's a stupid question but I feel it warrants asking, as I am quite content with the community we've fostered in our little oasis tucked deep within TL. We have our name out there a decent amount, and we provide a community for people who want to do more than watch silly/funny videos and come up with clever quotes for them. We have several high profile players posting regularly, and have the absolute gem in the form of Yango.
Need to? No. But considering the dearth of actually decent coverage communication on anything that isnt TL, it would certainly help the overall health of the community.
On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there.
The simple answer is: our site was based on SC2, the vast majority of the SC2 community despises LoL, and we dont want to piss them off.
If you have been around long enough, you would realize this is CERTAINLY a pressure that the staff face, even if they dont want to admit it. It isnt a conspiracy. Its the simple truth.
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On February 20 2013 04:02 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:14 GregMandel wrote:
Leona is like sona, but much more interesting before 6 and when her ult isn't up she still has a good engage, although I love sona and consider her probably my 3rd support in the fun ranking ( Leona, Blitz, Sona ) although I never touched alistar You should play alistar. He is weak against no one in lane. Counters many popular aggressive lanes. Has peel second only to janna as well as engage second only to Leona but better if the target does not have cleanse. Now that they put his w back to 650 he doesn't have combo problems. Since his init and peel do not require his ult he can always combo with a friendly AOE ult In addition he scales hard on cdr and health so his itemization became very easy in s3. Locket, Mobo boots, reverie, doesn't matter
And his heal is surprisingly good. Even if you poke with Sona, he can mostly negate it because of its stupid low CD and low cost at lvl 1.
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I don't think people realize just how much work actually goes into what the staff does. I mean, look at our champion guides, a lot of them are fairly outdated and haven't seen a lot of discussion. If we really have a community that's wanting and able to be an LoL hub we should probably start there.
And that's just something you can do without much legwork. Add in watching games/replays from all over (not just what matchups caught your fancy during the weekend LCS) and analyzing the whys and whats and you're opening a very large workload.
Most people just don't have the time/commitment for that though. So yes, it very much is staff issues.
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On February 20 2013 04:30 Lounge wrote:
I don't think people realize just how much work actually goes into what the staff does. I mean, look at our champion guides, a lot of them are fairly outdated and haven't seen a lot of discussion. If we really have a community that's wanting and able to be an LoL hub we should probably start there.
And that's just something you can do without much legwork. Add in watching games/replays from all over (not just what matchups caught your fancy during the weekend LCS) and analyzing the whys and whats and you're opening a very large workload.
Most people just don't have the time/commitment for that though. So yes, it very much is staff issues.
Incentives matter though. If we have no reason to believe we will ever be recognized for our work, why do it?
Especially when we are fighting against the general perception of the site as a whole. Its different then say, creating a new weekly sc2 webzine or strategy section since you know if its good it will be picked up and supported.
Instead, we have a history of basically being ignored. Its good for some things, but not for others.
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On February 20 2013 04:19 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there. I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying they just did not want to do it. You are putting extra words where there are none. It's pretty simple. The PR answer is "staff issues", but you've been around the TL LoL community long enough, you know that cannot be true at all.
You guys are saying all this about "it's unlikely to be staff issues," and while there may be some bigger things here lurking under the surface, the fact is is that we only recently got a big enough staff to even do weekly LCS coverage, much less do larger and "more important" features. Not to MENTION administration, moderation, etc etc.
If you want to challenge the idea that the problem with a dedicated TL LoL subforum is a lack of staffing, volunteer your time and energy to combat our lack of staffing, kthx.
On February 20 2013 04:32 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:30 Lounge wrote:
I don't think people realize just how much work actually goes into what the staff does. I mean, look at our champion guides, a lot of them are fairly outdated and haven't seen a lot of discussion. If we really have a community that's wanting and able to be an LoL hub we should probably start there.
And that's just something you can do without much legwork. Add in watching games/replays from all over (not just what matchups caught your fancy during the weekend LCS) and analyzing the whys and whats and you're opening a very large workload.
Most people just don't have the time/commitment for that though. So yes, it very much is staff issues. Incentives matter though. If we have no reason to believe we will ever be recognized for our work, why do it?
For all the reasons that Neo, MB, JBright, and everyone else already do it for little recognition? If you think that anyone on the staff does this for recognition then you're way off.
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Your telling me Neo, MB and J would do all that work if 0 people were going to ever look at it?
Maybe they would, but I doubt it.
I know that personally, if I was going to put a ton of effort into putting together great content that I would have the opportunity to spread it to the widest possible audience because I believe that my message matters and helps people.
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On February 20 2013 04:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:19 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there. I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying they just did not want to do it. You are putting extra words where there are none. It's pretty simple. The PR answer is "staff issues", but you've been around the TL LoL community long enough, you know that cannot be true at all. You guys are saying all this about "it's unlikely to be staff issues," and while there may be some bigger things here lurking under the surface, the fact is is that we only recently got a big enough staff to even do weekly LCS coverage, much less do larger and "more important" features. Not to MENTION administration, moderation, etc etc. If you want to challenge the idea that the problem with a dedicated TL LoL subforum is a lack of staffing, volunteer your time and energy to combat our lack of staffing, kthx.
You do not need to defend TL even if you are staff. I'm not hating on you lot at all. I appreciate the work yall do. I think you guys finally, FINALLY got some support to look for more staffing for LoL related things. The problem I see is that it took way too long, and we all know it.
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On February 20 2013 04:14 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 04:00 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. If I recall correctly the problem wasn't any concern about the SC2 community, but the lack of available staff. There were enough staff members interested in DotA 2 for TL to support it, but not enough for LoL. Your telling me that they couldnt get enough decent people here to support that? Sorry, callin bullshit on that one. There are enough respected people here to where if TL really wanted to make the expansion happen, they could. On February 20 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. As Neo has stated several times in the past, a big issue with TL picking up LoL officially has a lot to do with the staff size. Back when TL picked up Dota 2 most of the LoL write-ups we being done regularly by Neo, JBright, and Moon, not nearly enough for front page coverage. And people that were already on staff favored Dota 2 over LoL, which hey, if they like Dota 2 better I can see why they'd enjoy writing about it more. As time has gone on the staff has expanded and we are taking steps to produce even more high quality content. In time we hope we can prove we deserve just as much recognition as either SC or Dota. Problem was we had no place to put it. And again, if TL actually wanted to expand, they could very easily take respected members of this subforum, staff them, then expand. And remember, our subforum was ALWAYS bigger than the Dota 2 one, and they were able to scale into a full subforum easily enough. Do we need to become the prominent LoL coverage site? Maybe it's a stupid question but I feel it warrants asking, as I am quite content with the community we've fostered in our little oasis tucked deep within TL. We have our name out there a decent amount, and we provide a community for people who want to do more than watch silly/funny videos and come up with clever quotes for them. We have several high profile players posting regularly, and have the absolute gem in the form of Yango.
Need to become a prominent LoL coverage site? No. Anyone could come in and do a similar job, in fact (without trying to brag or promote) I think the site I work for does a good job in coverage. However, TL does have their reputation for being esports oriented so there is a good opportunity for TL to become the esports community hub that the LoL community could use to bring all sorts of coverage from different sources into one ezpz area (IMO).
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On February 20 2013 04:36 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 20 2013 04:19 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there. I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying they just did not want to do it. You are putting extra words where there are none. It's pretty simple. The PR answer is "staff issues", but you've been around the TL LoL community long enough, you know that cannot be true at all. You guys are saying all this about "it's unlikely to be staff issues," and while there may be some bigger things here lurking under the surface, the fact is is that we only recently got a big enough staff to even do weekly LCS coverage, much less do larger and "more important" features. Not to MENTION administration, moderation, etc etc. If you want to challenge the idea that the problem with a dedicated TL LoL subforum is a lack of staffing, volunteer your time and energy to combat our lack of staffing, kthx. You do not need to defend TL even if you are staff. I'm not hating on you lot at all. I appreciate the work yall do. I think you guys finally, FINALLY got some support to look for more staffing for LoL related things. The problem I see is that it took way too long, and we all know it.
Basically this. Everyone who has been here for a while, lurker or poster, is aware of the quality content that this forum can put forth, even in an informal GD thread. The main problem is we just have never had a lot of incentive to put it together. Look at how long it took to get champ threads in the first place.
My point is simply that if TL wanted to support LoL it easily could have, and chose not to.
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On February 20 2013 04:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:19 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 04:18 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 04:13 ketchup wrote:
I'm willing to agree with Two Down here in regards to having a real LoL forum/ LoL support on TL. If TL were interested, I'm 100% sure it could have easily been done. Not to mention, I'm fairly certain they could have had enough volunteers when the LoL section stop being just a thread, and got it's own subsection under Sports and Games. I just don't think they were interested. The staff size to me is just the PR answer they(higher TL staff) are willing to give now. Well, what do you think the actual answer is if not "not enough staff/people interested". "We hate LoL with our hearts and souls and do not want to support it any more than necessary"? Or maybe "We have a secret deal with Steam where we help DotA2 flourish while sink the boat of LoL"? Perhaps it is "We could easily do it, but we have been consumed by fame and wish to work no further" Wait, Ill get my conspirationist friend and ask him if he could somehow get the Illuminati and Knights Templar in there. I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy. I'm saying they just did not want to do it. You are putting extra words where there are none. It's pretty simple. The PR answer is "staff issues", but you've been around the TL LoL community long enough, you know that cannot be true at all. You guys are saying all this about "it's unlikely to be staff issues," and while there may be some bigger things here lurking under the surface, the fact is is that we only recently got a big enough staff to even do weekly LCS coverage, much less do larger and "more important" features. Not to MENTION administration, moderation, etc etc. If you want to challenge the idea that the problem with a dedicated TL LoL subforum is a lack of staffing, volunteer your time and energy to combat our lack of staffing, kthx. Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:32 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 04:30 Lounge wrote:
I don't think people realize just how much work actually goes into what the staff does. I mean, look at our champion guides, a lot of them are fairly outdated and haven't seen a lot of discussion. If we really have a community that's wanting and able to be an LoL hub we should probably start there.
And that's just something you can do without much legwork. Add in watching games/replays from all over (not just what matchups caught your fancy during the weekend LCS) and analyzing the whys and whats and you're opening a very large workload.
Most people just don't have the time/commitment for that though. So yes, it very much is staff issues. Incentives matter though. If we have no reason to believe we will ever be recognized for our work, why do it? For all the reasons that Neo, MB, JBright, and everyone else already do it for little recognition? If you think that anyone on the staff does this for recognition then you're way off.
Not so much recognition as "does anyone even give a crap?"
Sure we have our regulars and a handful of lurkers. Occasionally a writeup will hang out on the front page of Reddit for nearly a day. What incentive to people have to spend hours writing if it just disappears into the nether because it's not shown enough? Especially with this Reddit crackdown thing, how many of the writeups do you think will even get seen there?
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On February 20 2013 04:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
Your telling me Neo, MB and J would do all that work if 0 people were going to ever look at it?
Maybe they would, but I doubt it.
While I can't speak on behalf of the rest of the staff, for myself it was really a case of "instead of being unhappy about the general state of LoL coverage, I may as well do something myself".
In regards to resourcing amongst the staff, we're in a much better position than we were just a few months ago and we're working on a lot of stuff atm. For instance, you may have noticed that I'm not writing as much as I used to in some of our regular articles. Part of this is because I'm going through a lot irl atm that's sucking up my time like a glutton eats pies. Part of that is from some special side stuff I hope to talk about soon (tm).
What I think I can say that all the staff agree with is that we definitely want to keep pushing things forward. The new sub-LoL-forums for Strategy and Tournaments I think proves our commitment. One thing we're very mindful of though is making sure we don't end up like SC2 did. Having the BW era being overrun by SC2 I think still nags at a lot of us and it's something we still remember and can learn from.
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