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On February 20 2013 03:34 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
In solo q especially. I don't think Vi has really had the opportunity to shine yet at the competitive level. Seeing all the Vis at NA LCS last week, they were botched with mistakes and misplays. Yet, she's a very common ban in ranked atm.
No surprise that Junglers are turning to Voli as a test now. If anything, more credit to Gambit for continuously impacting how the LoL community plays this game. I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago. Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Really? His ult still seems really strong. If they were to increase the range by a tiny bit, it might even be considered overboard by people. Is it Mercurial Scimitar which is the case against him?
The problem with Skarner is that if you Flash Ult someone and they Flash away before your animation finishes your ult will fail. It used to be that your ult would still work, but ever since the change Skarner's initiation and ganks have been heavily impacted.
Combined with the new jungler's single target-focus, Skarner is much weaker than his S2 heydays.
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I can see Raka being a very effective pusher for some things
Problem is Leona needs coordination. I feel like I generally have a pretty good sense of if we can win a fight or not (better than a lot of soloQ players I end up with). I WEQ in (or RWEQ in), and sometimes my team just doesn't react and I just die and get blamed for feeding. I think the prevailing mentality makes it hard for many players to agree to committing after a support hard initates because of the idea that the support is the support and a baddie who can't carry.
I generally limit my ingame chat to pings of enemy champs and calls to dragon, but its sometimes hard to even get people to acknowledge obvious calls.
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On February 20 2013 03:32 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
In solo q especially. I don't think Vi has really had the opportunity to shine yet at the competitive level. Seeing all the Vis at NA LCS last week, they were botched with mistakes and misplays. Yet, she's a very common ban in ranked atm.
No surprise that Junglers are turning to Voli as a test now. If anything, more credit to Gambit for continuously impacting how the LoL community plays this game. I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago. Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Skarner is really good, but you can't deal with an early gank heavy jungler like Xin. Once you get out Lizard Elder and Iceborn you do a billion damage and slow even more so your ganks are terrifying.
Let's deal with this in order:
Skarner isn't very good, he has massive competition from both strong early game junglers (like Xin or Elise) and he also faces very strong competition from Amumu, who is also a lvl6 reliant jungler and has stronger middle lane control. Skarner doesn't farm particularly fast unless you invest a lot in mana and damage either.
Secondly, you don't build Iceborn on Skarner, because it doesn't make any sense. You can build Lizard Elder though and it's pretty good.
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Neo beware, no more asking for upboat on TL articles! (not like they got a lot of upvotes anyways) advanced content will be too advanced for plebs I suppose...
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On February 20 2013 03:39 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:32 MattBarry wrote:On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
In solo q especially. I don't think Vi has really had the opportunity to shine yet at the competitive level. Seeing all the Vis at NA LCS last week, they were botched with mistakes and misplays. Yet, she's a very common ban in ranked atm.
No surprise that Junglers are turning to Voli as a test now. If anything, more credit to Gambit for continuously impacting how the LoL community plays this game. I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago. Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Skarner is really good, but you can't deal with an early gank heavy jungler like Xin. Once you get out Lizard Elder and Iceborn you do a billion damage and slow even more so your ganks are terrifying. Let's deal with this in order: Skarner isn't very good, he has massive competition from both strong early game junglers (like Xin or Elise) and he also faces very strong competition from Amumu, who is also a lvl6 reliant jungler and has stronger middle lane control. Skarner doesn't farm particularly fast unless you invest a lot in mana and damage either. Secondly, you don't build Iceborn on Skarner, because it doesn't make any sense. You can build Lizard Elder though and it's pretty good.
Wondered when you'd show up to drop some Skarner knowledge on us, pretty impressive response time.
Yeah the staff is aware of this, kind of hard to miss. The same thing was posted in r/dota2 and r/starcraft as well so it was a statement issued to all of the big subreddits with a large eSports component. We discussed it and Neo is trying to get a response so we can get an official answer to what is acceptable and what is not. A lot of their responses were wishy washy so it's definitely something we're trying to figure out.
Edit: Even if we stop asking for upvotes, it's the "Engaging in voting 'cliques', where a group of accounts consistently and repeatedly votes on specific content," rule that worries me.
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On February 20 2013 03:44 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:39 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 03:32 MattBarry wrote:On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
In solo q especially. I don't think Vi has really had the opportunity to shine yet at the competitive level. Seeing all the Vis at NA LCS last week, they were botched with mistakes and misplays. Yet, she's a very common ban in ranked atm.
No surprise that Junglers are turning to Voli as a test now. If anything, more credit to Gambit for continuously impacting how the LoL community plays this game. I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago. Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Skarner is really good, but you can't deal with an early gank heavy jungler like Xin. Once you get out Lizard Elder and Iceborn you do a billion damage and slow even more so your ganks are terrifying. Let's deal with this in order: Skarner isn't very good, he has massive competition from both strong early game junglers (like Xin or Elise) and he also faces very strong competition from Amumu, who is also a lvl6 reliant jungler and has stronger middle lane control. Skarner doesn't farm particularly fast unless you invest a lot in mana and damage either. Secondly, you don't build Iceborn on Skarner, because it doesn't make any sense. You can build Lizard Elder though and it's pretty good. Wondered when you'd show up to drop some Skarner knowledge on us, pretty impressive response time. Yeah the staff is aware of this, kind of hard to miss. The same thing was posted in r/dota2 and r/starcraft as well so it was a statement issued to all of the big subreddits with a large eSports component. We discussed it and Neo is trying to get a response so we can get an official answer to what is acceptable and what is not. A lot of their responses were wishy washy so it's definitely something we're trying to figure out. Edit: Even if we stop asking for upvotes, it's the "Engaging in voting 'cliques', where a group of accounts consistently and repeatedly votes on specific content," rule that worries me.
The voting cliques rule bothers me. If people are regular readers of TL, be it liquidparty or the SC2 or DotA2 subforum, they're going to tend to upvote TL articles. This means you'll inevitably result in a "clique" of people who always upvote TL articles. Besides, everyone knows TL articles are far superior so it's also inevitable that TL stuff gets upvoted by us anyways.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 20 2013 03:44 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:39 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 03:32 MattBarry wrote:On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 20 2013 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
In solo q especially. I don't think Vi has really had the opportunity to shine yet at the competitive level. Seeing all the Vis at NA LCS last week, they were botched with mistakes and misplays. Yet, she's a very common ban in ranked atm.
No surprise that Junglers are turning to Voli as a test now. If anything, more credit to Gambit for continuously impacting how the LoL community plays this game. I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago. Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Skarner is really good, but you can't deal with an early gank heavy jungler like Xin. Once you get out Lizard Elder and Iceborn you do a billion damage and slow even more so your ganks are terrifying. Let's deal with this in order: Skarner isn't very good, he has massive competition from both strong early game junglers (like Xin or Elise) and he also faces very strong competition from Amumu, who is also a lvl6 reliant jungler and has stronger middle lane control. Skarner doesn't farm particularly fast unless you invest a lot in mana and damage either. Secondly, you don't build Iceborn on Skarner, because it doesn't make any sense. You can build Lizard Elder though and it's pretty good. Wondered when you'd show up to drop some Skarner knowledge on us, pretty impressive response time. Yeah the staff is aware of this, kind of hard to miss. The same thing was posted in r/dota2 and r/starcraft as well so it was a statement issued to all of the big subreddits with a large eSports component. We discussed it and Neo is trying to get a response so we can get an official answer to what is acceptable and what is not. A lot of their responses were wishy washy so it's definitely something we're trying to figure out.
What can I do, Skarner is my ex. :3
As to when to actually pick Skarner, I think he has a niche in purple side 1v1 2v2 setup, while you can make an argument that he works better with stronger AD carry and weaker solos, because of his early game weakness he is bad in 1v2 2v1 (which is another reason why I don't want to pick him blue side). Because of the immense amount of counters who are also generally good champions (Orianna, Kayle) he has to be picked quite late, Even when you see 3 enemy champions it might not be safe. Probably would have to be mixed with a champion who can both solo and jungle and lastpick Skarner or something else depending on what the enemy has.
So IF that happens Skarner might be good imo.
Why even bother mate.
Edit: well, I guess if 4+ junglers are banned then you might be out of options. But yeah, generally, just nope.
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On February 20 2013 03:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Problem is Leona needs coordination. I feel like I generally have a pretty good sense of if we can win a fight or not (better than a lot of soloQ players I end up with). I WEQ in (or RWEQ in), and sometimes my team just doesn't react and I just die and get blamed for feeding. I think the prevailing mentality makes it hard for many players to agree to committing after a support hard initates because of the idea that the support is the support and a baddie who can't carry.
Even if your decision is right and you could win the trade, i would avoid close calls in soloq. It's simply too risky to rely on the stratetig judgement of four random people with whom you have very limited communication. I think this applies most to initiators in teamfights and junglers while ganking. I think it's totally fine to miss a little opportunity in return to not give them a bigger opportunity for a comeback. (Only in soloq)
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The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change.
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On February 20 2013 03:50 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:39 Scip wrote:On February 20 2013 03:32 MattBarry wrote:On February 20 2013 03:25 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 20 2013 03:21 ketchup wrote:On February 20 2013 03:16 Crownlol wrote:On February 20 2013 03:11 clickrush wrote:On February 20 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote:On February 20 2013 02:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
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I just wanna point out I was all over the Junglebur 9 months ago.
Justsayin~ Jungle Volibear was meh 9-12 months ago. He was briefly good before they nerfed his NOM, but after that he simply struggled in the AoE-centric jungle. He was workable, but he wasn't anything special. The only reason he's good now is because itemization, jungle health redistribution, and recent buffs have all combined to help him immensely. At this point any hipster Season 2 opinions are only relevant if they were vindicated in Season 2. You'll have to make new calls for hipster cred. What makes him good besides the new itemizeation are his ganks. fling+ms is just a really awesome gank tool if not one of the best out there. singed doesn't have the added ms early on. stuns/slows/knockups aren't as great as a fling. also its super reliable to initiate a gank with volis q because it doesn't depend on anything but you closing in. there are only a few situation where your opponent can juke you i found. I mean how many really good gank junglers are there who don't have awkward itemization or shitty buffcontrol/clearing? xin, mao. who else? shaco snowbally and hard to build. lee has become similar, he fell off hard anyway now he doesn't have his tank steroid anymore. Then who does really gank reliably like xin mao and voli? Noc, J4, Khaz, Diana, Skarner gank well and don't rely as much on bluebuff as Mao. Speaking of though, isn't it about time we see Skarner back into play in tournaments? It seems people have forgotten about him. I was under the impression that he's been lack luster for a while now. Ever since they fixed the bug where you could still ult someone after they had flashed away. Not sure what else but I was under the impression the Season 3 changes had a negative impact on him, much like Shyvana. Skarner is really good, but you can't deal with an early gank heavy jungler like Xin. Once you get out Lizard Elder and Iceborn you do a billion damage and slow even more so your ganks are terrifying. Let's deal with this in order: Skarner isn't very good, he has massive competition from both strong early game junglers (like Xin or Elise) and he also faces very strong competition from Amumu, who is also a lvl6 reliant jungler and has stronger middle lane control. Skarner doesn't farm particularly fast unless you invest a lot in mana and damage either. Secondly, you don't build Iceborn on Skarner, because it doesn't make any sense. You can build Lizard Elder though and it's pretty good. Wondered when you'd show up to drop some Skarner knowledge on us, pretty impressive response time. Yeah the staff is aware of this, kind of hard to miss. The same thing was posted in r/dota2 and r/starcraft as well so it was a statement issued to all of the big subreddits with a large eSports component. We discussed it and Neo is trying to get a response so we can get an official answer to what is acceptable and what is not. A lot of their responses were wishy washy so it's definitely something we're trying to figure out. Edit: Even if we stop asking for upvotes, it's the "Engaging in voting 'cliques', where a group of accounts consistently and repeatedly votes on specific content," rule that worries me. The voting cliques rule bothers me. If people are regular readers of TL, be it liquidparty or the SC2 or DotA2 subforum, they're going to tend to upvote TL articles. This means you'll inevitably result in a "clique" of people who always upvote TL articles. Besides, everyone knows TL articles are far superior so it's also inevitable that TL stuff gets upvoted by us anyways.
I agree the rule is troubling, but I think it has to do with voting patterns as well. For example, someone who upvotes ALL types of esports media vs someone who only logs on to upvote a specfic article from a specific site/place. The first probably won't be flagged, but I'm pretty sure the second will be flagged in some way. I assume they keep an eye on such things. Although this is just me guessing at how they work.
Even then, it could be likely the first is flagged as well. I should change that example to be someone who upvotes all types of content from everywhere, and all types of subreddits.
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On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change.
If I recall correctly the problem wasn't any concern about the SC2 community, but the lack of available staff. There were enough staff members interested in DotA 2 for TL to support it, but not enough for LoL.
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On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change.
As Neo has stated several times in the past, a big issue with TL picking up LoL officially has a lot to do with the staff size. Back when TL picked up Dota 2 most of the LoL write-ups we being done regularly by Neo, JBright, and Moon, not nearly enough for front page coverage. And people that were already on staff favored Dota 2 over LoL, which hey, if they like Dota 2 better I can see why they'd enjoy writing about it more. As time has gone on the staff has expanded and we are taking steps to produce even more high quality content. In time we hope we can prove we deserve just as much recognition as either SC or Dota.
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the thread moved kinda fast while i was playing my last game :p
Obviously this in in reply to the jungler discussion.
Hecarim with ult, diana from 6 onwards. Warwick obviously once he is 6, but he is kinda useless once his ult is down so I'll only include him for completion's sake.
All other junglers i can think of require either a degree of luck (cho) or a skillshot to hit (amumu) or a summoner. Personally I love ganking junglers so I stick to xin, hecarim and Vi. So far those 3 have served me well, but i'll give the bear another whirl and see what he can do :D
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On February 20 2013 03:14 GregMandel wrote:
Leona is like sona, but much more interesting before 6 and when her ult isn't up she still has a good engage, although I love sona and consider her probably my 3rd support in the fun ranking ( Leona, Blitz, Sona ) although I never touched alistar
You should play alistar. He is weak against no one in lane. Counters many popular aggressive lanes. Has peel second only to janna as well as engage second only to Leona but better if the target does not have cleanse. Now that they put his w back to 650 he doesn't have combo problems. Since his init and peel do not require his ult he can always combo with a friendly AOE ult
In addition he scales hard on cdr and health so his itemization became very easy in s3. Locket, Mobo boots, reverie, doesn't matter
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Damn. Trundle's E is soooooo strong.
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On February 20 2013 04:00 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. If I recall correctly the problem wasn't any concern about the SC2 community, but the lack of available staff. There were enough staff members interested in DotA 2 for TL to support it, but not enough for LoL.
Your telling me that they couldnt get enough decent people here to support that?
Sorry, callin bullshit on that one. There are enough respected people here to where if TL really wanted to make the expansion happen, they could.
On February 20 2013 04:01 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 03:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
The kind of sad thing here is that TL had an opportunity (possibly still has one) to become THE preeminent LoL information and community site in the world.
But they wont do it, and at this point it seems pretty clear that they never will, simply because the SC2 community that the site caters too is too immature to handle such a change. As Neo has stated several times in the past, a big issue with TL picking up LoL officially has a lot to do with the staff size. Back when TL picked up Dota 2 most of the LoL write-ups we being done regularly by Neo, JBright, and Moon, not nearly enough for front page coverage. And people that were already on staff favored Dota 2 over LoL, which hey, if they like Dota 2 better I can see why they'd enjoy writing about it more. As time has gone on the staff has expanded and we are taking steps to produce even more high quality content. In time we hope we can prove we deserve just as much recognition as either SC or Dota.
Problem was we had no place to put it. And again, if TL actually wanted to expand, they could very easily take respected members of this subforum, staff them, then expand.
And remember, our subforum was ALWAYS bigger than the Dota 2 one, and they were able to scale into a full subforum easily enough.
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K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing?
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On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing?
Trundle is free this week?
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On February 20 2013 04:04 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
K I need a new jungler. Part of it is me having a short attention span and getting bored of Voli, part of it is him getting popular and me being petty about it. I have a couple that I play back and forth, but I had two random questions
1- Is Fizz a decent jungler anymore? I remember when he was released, they intended him to be a viable jungler, and you'd see it from time to time. Now, with decent AP builds out of the jungle and being a more single target oriented jungler not being that big of an issue, I thought he'd be worth a spin. I like characters that I can play in multiple roles, so I could learn him and take him to lane if need be.
2- Why can Renekton not jungle? I mean, I know in S2 he was slow as hell, but with the health redistribution, Cull the Meek + Slice/Dice should be more than enough for clearing, SotEL and SotAG are both good builds for him depending on your build path (disregarding the mana regen, of course), he has sustain, he has a dash and stun for ganks, he can build tanky and do well just as a jungler should. Is there some giant flaw that I'm missing? Trundle is free this week?
He's on my list of things to try. I have an irl friend who plays him a lot, though, we try not to overlap champs.
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