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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
On February 19 2013 19:59 clickrush wrote: You are right, since there are no bruisers or assassins nobody will ever get that close to an ad carry. Well, except for very few very specific situations it is not very polite to jump onto a lady. So if your opponents are gentlemen, they won't jump onto Ashe. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 19 2013 19:44 TheYango wrote: I still remember when all his AD guides had BF->Zeal rather than completing a BF item. Ashe doesn't want to be in 500 range of her target, though. When the range of the active gets buffed, maybe, but with the current active, it's not very useful for her. I actually think the new BotRK will even be more useful for bruisers if they buff the range. It goes both ways so to speak. The proposed changes don't change anything about that fact that it doesn't scale with crit. The percentage based ad lifesteal makes arm pen less attractive. So while BT scales with both crit and arm pen, BotRK will not, which means a poor synergy with all the standard adc items (IE, PD, Shiv, LW). Basically it will be good on people that need to stick to a target for continuous damage, but otherwise do not build a large number of additional damage items. Since it provides overall less damage than BT, you preferably can use it to kill low health targets and it provides good sustain in prolonged duels with high armor targets if you can't afford to build armor pen. Sounds like a bruiser item to me... | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
Thoughts? I don't play ADC so I really have no clue what I'm talking about btw xD | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On February 19 2013 17:19 Haasts wrote: Speaking of Thresh, are there any, uh, equivalents of Shake's Lee videos for him? I guess people who main support aren't as likely to No compilation that I know of (he´s a bit of a new champ too) but Krepo plays a lot of Thresh on his stream. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On February 19 2013 20:47 ArchAngelSC wrote: Here's a thought... Since BotRK doesn't scale with crit, and MF likes building BC because of her ult... I'm thinking BC + BotRK MF adc, Thoughts? I don't play ADC so I really have no clue what I'm talking about btw xD MF's ult only scales from ad and arpen, so BT is stronger than botrk if you want to relie on your ult to do a lot of damage. At this point it's overkill in my opinion to get botrk on top of BT since they both fill the spot for ad/lifesteal. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
I know it means nothing but we won in 6:29 and was wondering if anyone has seen a quicker game. There were no AFKs. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 19 2013 22:25 schmutttt wrote: Does anyone play dominion here? I know it means nothing but we won in 6:29 and was wondering if anyone has seen a quicker game. There were no AFKs. I had a 5:5X once. Can't remember exact seconds. It was a 4v5 though, and the enemy team kept suiciding to lose faster. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 19 2013 20:19 BlueSpace wrote: I actually think the new BotRK will even be more useful for bruisers if they buff the range. It goes both ways so to speak. The proposed changes don't change anything about that fact that it doesn't scale with crit. The percentage based ad lifesteal makes arm pen less attractive. So while BT scales with both crit and arm pen, BotRK will not, which means a poor synergy with all the standard adc items (IE, PD, Shiv, LW). Basically it will be good on people that need to stick to a target for continuous damage, but otherwise do not build a large number of additional damage items. Since it provides overall less damage than BT, you preferably can use it to kill low health targets and it provides good sustain in prolonged duels with high armor targets if you can't afford to build armor pen. Sounds like a bruiser item to me... Why wouldn't percentage based AD lifesteal scale with ArPen? It's still physical damage. In fact, it scales BEST with armor pen. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 19 2013 23:09 sylverfyre wrote: Why wouldn't percentage based AD lifesteal scale with ArPen? It's still physical damage. In fact, it scales BEST with armor pen. PBE change: * Passive now heals you for 30% of your total attack damage, rather than 50% of the damage dealt. This is essentially premitigation lifesteal. So basically the armor of the target is meaningless which should also mean that the amount of armor pen is meaningless. It just depends on your total attack damage. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Also holy shit 30% of total AD is a lot of healing. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On February 19 2013 22:25 schmutttt wrote: Does anyone play dominion here? I know it means nothing but we won in 6:29 and was wondering if anyone has seen a quicker game. There were no AFKs. My quickest game was 8:40. I was Diana and had a Kata who'd follow all my ult + E with her Shunpo and ult. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 19 2013 23:19 sylverfyre wrote: But the DAMAGE it does is still based heavily on ArPen. Also holy shit 30% of total AD is a lot of healing. When I was talking earlier about the comparison in damage output between the BT and the BotRK, I was talking about the current version of it. The PBE version is very different that because the primary item stat is now AS and the passive has completely changed. I'll just requote the changes: Recipe: Cutlass + Dagger + Dagger + 500 Gold = 2700 Gold total from 2850 Gold on live. * 45 AD --> 30 AD * 0% AS --> 40% AS * 10% LS --> 0% LS * Passive now heals you for 30% of your total attack damage, rather than 50% of the damage dealt. This is essentially premitigation lifesteal. * Active slow/speed duration is now 4 seconds from 2 seconds. * Active now deals 100 + 10% of the targets maximum life - serving as an execute or a wind-up peel * Range increased to 550 from 400. The numbers are subject to change. This is the bastard child of a PD and a BT. My comments where more general based on the scaling of the passive. Although maybe the AS will make up for it, one has to see. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
I don't understand why they're doing all this stuff with BOTRK, to be honest. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
And why they are changing it is quite obvious. Nearly noone built it. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:25 Simberto wrote: Hey, if you hit a target with about 8000 hp, nothing has changed. And why they are changing it is quite obvious. Nearly noone built it. I've yet to see a Hurricane in a serious game, I think, and even in non-pro games it is built in <1% of total games. Yet no changes there. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:25 Simberto wrote: Hey, if you hit a target with about 8000 hp, nothing has changed. And why they are changing it is quite obvious. Nearly noone built it. They just buffed it and now it's being built quite often. Now they're buffing it even further and somewhat changing its role. What? Oh well. Irelia buff. I don't see why they want ADC's to build it so badly, though. It always seemed to me like a bruiser item anyway? | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:34 sylverfyre wrote: They just buffed it and now it's being built quite often. Now they're buffing it even further and somewhat changing its role. What? Oh well. Irelia buff. I don't see why they want ADC's to build it so badly, though. It always seemed to me like a bruiser item anyway? My impression is that they are not satisfied with the late-game damage potential of the adc's. So basically they want to allow fed ad carries to chew through tanks in the late game without directly nerfing the league of giant belt collectors. Ask Yango... he will know ^^ | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:29 Requizen wrote: I've yet to see a Hurricane in a serious game, I think, and even in non-pro games it is built in <1% of total games. Yet no changes there. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a change to Hurricane in the near future. Guess for whatever reason they though BotRK was more of a pressing issues (maybe since stacking health is still so popular). | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
So it looks like the new BotRK will be awesome on AD casters? I play Kha'Zix a lot, and this seems incredible on him after BT/(youmuu/black cleaver). Seems like the already hard-hitting combos from Talon, Panth, Khaz will be even stronger when you're back up to full health after blowing up the enemy ADC. Really neat-looking new item. | ||
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