|
On February 19 2013 15:27 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Does Quinn strike anyone else as an attempt to make a different style of ADC.
Like, ez is kind of another example of this, an ADC who is somewhat weaker as a true ADC, but has another strength, in his case as an early midgame burst caster.
Quinn strikes me as a champ designed to roam and make picks with the scouting from her W and the single target power her ult gives her in skirmishes. The rest of her kit seems designed for skirmishing as well, at the cost of not really providing the same power in teamfights as champions like ez, varus, ashe etc. She feels very much like a carry who is designed to snowball the early game and fall off late, a kind of opposite to kog and vayne.
They've been trying to make ADC with a lack of escapes for a while with Varus and Draven. The thing is they've already had a variety of ADC with Ashe and Varus providing the utility of hard/hardish cc and Draven and Vayne providing high damage.
Quinn doesn't look unique. Unique would be if Urgot or Tristana or Caitlyn got released now.
I guess Quinn does have an escape but it's very conditional on the enemy being melee to you so you can't just say "screw you gank" to every jungle gank before it happens anymore.
|
Thresh basically negates wards with lane ganks-- he gives his jungler a freaking 1500 distance gap closer.
After I get my sighstone, I buy a pink every time I back. I kind of expect jungler to ask about warding or that he plans to gank bot, and then I'll drop my pink and clear so we can make da playz. Is that little bit of coordination too hard? T_T
|
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times.
|
On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times.
He was beside himself in bliss last night playing Draven going BT>Zeal>BotRK.
|
On February 19 2013 16:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thresh basically negates wards with lane ganks-- he gives his jungler a freaking 1500 distance gap closer.
After I get my sighstone, I buy a pink every time I back. I kind of expect jungler to ask about warding or that he plans to gank bot, and then I'll drop my pink and clear so we can make da playz. Is that little bit of coordination too hard? T_T
Speaking of Thresh, are there any, uh, equivalents of Shake's Lee videos for him? I guess people who main support aren't as likely to showboat make compilations of big plays, but it seems like he has a fairly high skill ceiling, albeit one that requires similar levels of play/decision-making for teammates. Alternatively, are there any streamers who, uh, main support Thresh?
|
On February 19 2013 16:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thresh basically negates wards with lane ganks-- he gives his jungler a freaking 1500 distance gap closer.
After I get my sighstone, I buy a pink every time I back. I kind of expect jungler to ask about warding or that he plans to gank bot, and then I'll drop my pink and clear so we can make da playz. Is that little bit of coordination too hard? T_T
Quick question about that, how does lantern visibility work for the opponents? I never see Thresh vs me but I assume you can see the lantern travel between two places you don't have vision of (e.g. the lane brushes) and you should also be able to see the beam between the brushes, correct?
|
On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times.
Never trust chaox with adc builds, he use to go triple dblade into pd...
|
On February 19 2013 17:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. Never trust chaox with adc builds, he use to go triple dblade into pd...
that was actually a thing at one point i think or maybe it was wriggles pd
|
I dunno. If it works in diamond, I'm sure it can work in my lowly silver league. And I just really like that item for some reason haha. And I have no choice. Doublelift doesn't seem to stream anymore until Azubu goes live, and I don't like cop.
Edit: and and and and and and and and and
|
Hey guys, hopefully no body actually remembers so this isn't needed, but what I said a week or two ago in here to get banned apparently sounded serious, as I was joking. Just don't want to be seen as a douchebag around here if I do start posting more often. ~_~
|
On February 19 2013 17:54 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 17:35 wei2coolman wrote:On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. Never trust chaox with adc builds, he use to go triple dblade into pd... that was actually a thing at one point i think or maybe it was wriggles pd
Triple dblade was after wrigs nerf.
|
On February 19 2013 17:57 RagequitBM wrote:
I dunno. If it works in diamond, I'm sure it can work in my lowly silver league. And I just really like that item for some reason haha. And I have no choice. Doublelift doesn't seem to stream anymore until Azubu goes live, and I don't like cop.
Edit: and and and and and and and and and
Double streamed some for the last week, but
It's mostly because they have a 8-10 scrim schedule that they can't stream and he wants to do other things but soloq in his free time (practicing SF and learning Korean)
|
On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times.
We compared the damage output between a fully stacked BT and a BotRK a bit earlier in this thread. Basically with the build, that Chaox is using his targets need to have more than 4000 health in order for the BotRK to inflict more damage. So from a pure average damage output point of view a BT is better.
The value of the active is hard to quantify though. Slowing the right target might allow you to get off a few more aa than you could with the BT so depending on the situation it could work better.
|
On February 19 2013 15:27 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Does Quinn strike anyone else as an attempt to make a different style of ADC.
Like, ez is kind of another example of this, an ADC who is somewhat weaker as a true ADC, but has another strength, in his case as an early midgame burst caster.
Quinn strikes me as a champ designed to roam and make picks with the scouting from her W and the single target power her ult gives her in skirmishes. The rest of her kit seems designed for skirmishing as well, at the cost of not really providing the same power in teamfights as champions like ez, varus, ashe etc. She feels very much like a carry who is designed to snowball the early game and fall off late, a kind of opposite to kog and vayne.
MF is a different style of AD carry too, one who doesn't even autoattack in fights and stand even farther back than Lux when the initiation occurs.
Ngh, it's just so damn stupid to have a champ this strong/damagey at very long range, and even if you go through all the trouble of diving him he's still got a good single-target dps to fight you. And that 1400 range is a boon for all people with bad positioning, they just need to stand half a screen behind their team and if they're open it doesn't matter because they're too far to be reached before they have time to react (or simply finish channeling their ult). And since she's everywhere it's as annoying as when Ezreal was FotM. Gimme variety!
|
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2013 17:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. Never trust chaox with adc builds, he use to go triple dblade into pd...
I still remember when all his AD guides had BF->Zeal rather than completing a BF item.
On February 19 2013 18:28 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. We compared the damage output between a fully stacked BT and a BotRK a bit earlier in this thread. Basically with the build, that Chaox is using his targets need to have more than 4000 health in order for the BotRK to inflict more damage. So from a pure average damage output point of view a BT is better. The value of the active is hard to quantify though. Slowing the right target might allow you to get off a few more aa than you could with the BT so depending on the situation it could work better.
Ashe doesn't want to be in 500 range of her target, though. When the range of the active gets buffed, maybe, but with the current active, it's not very useful for her.
|
Kinda off topic but what are the opinions on the Hecarim W change? (scaling % damage vamp changed into 20% at all levels) Do you still need to level W second or are 2 or 3 points in it enough to sustain in the jungle? Does it hurt his lategame scaling a lot, or isn't it that bad? Will there be more nerfs? To me it looks like it's not going to be the first change/nerf to heca, you can max E second (can you?) now that the W scaling is gone and have more knockbacks and utility. Or am i totally wrong?
E: To clarify, these changes are on the PBE, not on live yet.
|
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Edit: Double Post Blackberry FTW!!
|
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On February 19 2013 09:04 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 09:02 dooraven wrote:
lol speaking of this ap tryndamere discussion, you guys should have seen what happened on Snoopeh's stream today.
I predict Mark Merill is going to have a lot of tweets directed to him about it. It should be a crime to post about something noteworthy that happened on some stream without at least explaining it or providing a link.
At the very least it should be a warning, or put in the commandments.
Sheesh. People these days.
|
On February 19 2013 19:44 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 17:35 wei2coolman wrote:On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. Never trust chaox with adc builds, he use to go triple dblade into pd... I still remember when all his AD guides had BF->Zeal rather than completing a BF item. Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 18:28 BlueSpace wrote:On February 19 2013 16:56 RagequitBM wrote:
So Chaox has been building BotRK on Ashe all day, and I decided to try it. I felt so strong, but I'm not sure how strong compared to BT since Ashe lategame is terrifying either way. He gets it as his fourth item after Shiv, IE, LW. It's fun to play around with. The active is awesome too, saved me a couple of times. We compared the damage output between a fully stacked BT and a BotRK a bit earlier in this thread. Basically with the build, that Chaox is using his targets need to have more than 4000 health in order for the BotRK to inflict more damage. So from a pure average damage output point of view a BT is better. The value of the active is hard to quantify though. Slowing the right target might allow you to get off a few more aa than you could with the BT so depending on the situation it could work better. Ashe doesn't want to be in 500 range of her target, though. When the range of the active gets buffed, maybe, but with the current active, it's not very useful for her.
You are right, since there are no bruisers or assassins nobody will ever get that close to an ad carry.
|
On February 19 2013 19:47 Immortall wrote:
Kinda off topic but what are the opinions on the Hecarim W change? (scaling % damage vamp changed into 20% at all levels) Do you still need to level W second or are 2 or 3 points in it enough to sustain in the jungle? Does it hurt his lategame scaling a lot, or isn't it that bad? Will there be more nerfs? To me it looks like it's not going to be the first change/nerf to heca, you can max E second (can you?) now that the W scaling is gone and have more knockbacks and utility. Or am i totally wrong?
E: To clarify, these changes are on the PBE, not on live yet.
The CD on W doesn't scale, so it's a tradeoff of W damage and E damage/utility. I'd say E max second wins, but I'm not sure how important that damage from W is.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
