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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 28 2013 07:22 GMT
#3221
I'm curious why teams just let the lane swap happen. Would it be too hard to just keep swapping non-stop? The other team has to do the same anyway and if they dont, you get your way.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 07:29:24
February 28 2013 07:24 GMT
#3222
On February 28 2013 16:22 GettingIt wrote:
I'm curious why teams just let the lane swap happen. Would it be too hard to just keep swapping non-stop? The other team has to do the same anyway and if they dont, you get your way.

The amount of lost gold/XP from swapping cross-map at level 1 is enough for the enemy to solidify an advantage, even if the "normal" lane arrangement would otherwise be disadvantaged for them.

If you run into a lane swap, and counter-swap immediately, your duo comes to lane level 1 when theirs is level 2 (and likewise with your top solo). Even if the lane is normally advantageous for you, it's rarely so advantaged that it outweighs a full level advantage.

So lane swaps get preserved because the cost of counter-swapping after creeps have already met is higher than the loss from preserving the swapped lanes. You'd rather let both sides freefarm thier AD carries and have a more underfarmed top laner than to swap back and lose both lanes because of the level advantage.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 07:34:19
February 28 2013 07:31 GMT
#3223
Part of why the lane swap happens is that the purple side duo doesn't want to go into lane with a disadvantage due to mini golems. If blue follow then they induce the same disadvantage that purple ran away from. If blue starts bottom then comes top to follow then purple side has an advantage in the time it took to swap lanes. In addition purple side wants to get back bottom ASAP so they can contest dragon.

This is why purple side and blue side tend to shove the turret ASAP. It gives purple side an advantageous time to back while leaving their top laner with an easier lane. Similarly blue wants to give purple side as much of a disadvantage when they come to lane. This of course beyond the global gold/xp advantage that turrets bring.

Edit: Jesus Christ autocorrect what the fuck were you thinking
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
February 28 2013 07:58 GMT
#3224
On February 28 2013 15:22 LeeDawg wrote:
so i'm just now starting to venture into the forays of mid lane. I've found I suck with mages, but can get by with assassins. I've got akali and kat, but neither have really clicked with me yet... I'm trying to decide who my next buy should be: diana, kha'zix, or someone else... thoughts?

I just picked up Diana. So much fun dude!
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 08:01:06
February 28 2013 08:00 GMT
#3225
On February 28 2013 16:58 Argoth. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 15:22 LeeDawg wrote:
so i'm just now starting to venture into the forays of mid lane. I've found I suck with mages, but can get by with assassins. I've got akali and kat, but neither have really clicked with me yet... I'm trying to decide who my next buy should be: diana, kha'zix, or someone else... thoughts?

I just picked up Diana. So much fun dude!


Lich Bane ftw. That + Nashor's = dead towers everywhere.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 28 2013 08:05 GMT
#3226
Nashor's is OK imo. Lich Bane? Not so much.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 08:55:06
February 28 2013 08:54 GMT
#3227
On February 28 2013 17:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Nashor's is OK imo. Lich Bane? Not so much.

Lich bane is very powerful on anyone who uses AP. The only real issue it has is whether or not it is better than dfg or deathcap. I mean its another .75 ap scaling ability. It only costs 3000 gold now and does magic damage so you don't have to worry about the old split resistance issue.

The only weakness(besides its potential comparison to rabadons and dfg) it has is the usefulness of the sheen proc before its finished
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 10:26:41
February 28 2013 10:01 GMT
#3228
On February 28 2013 17:54 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 17:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Nashor's is OK imo. Lich Bane? Not so much.

Lich bane is very powerful on anyone who uses AP. The only real issue it has is whether or not it is better than dfg or deathcap. I mean its another .75 ap scaling ability. It only costs 3000 gold now and does magic damage so you don't have to worry about the old split resistance issue.

The only weakness(besides its potential comparison to rabadons and dfg) it has is the usefulness of the sheen proc before its finished


It's a personal thing, but I have had good exp with Lich Bane. The most important part in my opinion is it stacks with her passive. 700+ damage autos from an AP carry is fun. Also makes you a beast on objectives.

Also with her Q>R, moonlight lasts long enough to Q, get the proc, wait for the c/d and then ult and get another proc before moonlight expires. After that your Q will be off cooldown before the next proc. You can get infinite procs back to back to back on things liek drag and baron.

It's a personal thing of mine, but Diana has always bee my favorite and I have like a 60% win rate with her (yes, low elo).
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
February 28 2013 10:01 GMT
#3229
I don't think the 1st inhib 100% win-rate particularly means anything. If an NA team has a lead (say 20-0 and triple the gold) they'll tend to wait another 30 mins or so to get a couple more dragons before thinking about pushing. Now if actual pushes happened without a 20k gold lead you might see a more even team strength post-inhib. It's not a matter of comebacks being difficult, if a team loses a fight and loses baron as a result the next teamfight will usually happen 7 minutes later at next baron rather than at an inhib to decide if a team comes back or not.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9245 Posts
February 28 2013 10:27 GMT
#3230
Royal vs PE started 5mins ago http://www.fengyunzhibo.com/group/12475-4s722s37.htm
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
February 28 2013 11:26 GMT
#3231
After playing a lot of MF lately, can anyone with good authority on her tell me whether i should use double up in duels after i got my phantom dancer? The damage should be around a normal hit, potentially a little higher. However, the animation is slower, it feels like i could do 2 autos with w up while one Q is cast. Ideas?
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 28 2013 11:39 GMT
#3232
On February 28 2013 20:26 Broetchenholer wrote:
After playing a lot of MF lately, can anyone with good authority on her tell me whether i should use double up in duels after i got my phantom dancer? The damage should be around a normal hit, potentially a little higher. However, the animation is slower, it feels like i could do 2 autos with w up while one Q is cast. Ideas?


use it inbetween shots since it's an attack reset. when w is down.

if you can, go shot-q-w-autos
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 12:19:31
February 28 2013 12:19 GMT
#3233
I ban kayle and pick katarina
Is there any counter? I'm like 50-0 as kat
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
February 28 2013 12:21 GMT
#3234
Any news on when quinn is coming out?
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 28 2013 12:44 GMT
#3235
sheen is the best damage/cost item on any ap carry who can use it's cooldown reasonably. Lichbane is the best damage/cost item on any ap carry who can use it's cooldown reasonably, allready has a major ap item and does not need a voidstaff at this point.

All the ap champs who spam autoattack + abilities on their opponents should consider this as a must buy if they want damage. Even on champs like akali who have good ap ratios you can't buy anything that deals more damage than sheen.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
February 28 2013 12:48 GMT
#3236
clgaming.net been hacked? I get this weird page when I visit it.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 28 2013 13:03 GMT
#3237
On February 28 2013 21:48 Ota Solgryn wrote:
clgaming.net been hacked? I get this weird page when I visit it.

Maybe the have been hacked or somebody fucked up the servers from their side. Nginx is a http server software. So the strange site is probably a welcome page that you get if there is no actual content on the server.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 13:53:09
February 28 2013 13:34 GMT
#3238
On February 28 2013 17:54 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 17:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Nashor's is OK imo. Lich Bane? Not so much.

Lich bane is very powerful on anyone who uses AP. The only real issue it has is whether or not it is better than dfg or deathcap. I mean its another .75 ap scaling ability. It only costs 3000 gold now and does magic damage so you don't have to worry about the old split resistance issue.

The only weakness(besides its potential comparison to rabadons and dfg) it has is the usefulness of the sheen proc before its finished


New lich bane now is actually weaker overall than old lich bane before you finish void staff except when it's you're first AP item or if your opponent is pretty loaded on armor instead of mres, if I recall my result correctly stacking flat pen doesn't make up the difference for new lich bane by itself. The change helped lich bane's late game a lot but the change to magic damage and the reduction in price weren't entirely free of cost to the item's power.

edit: LOCO FIGHTING

http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=5194 (najin shield vs iG)

It's over now, and sad. =(
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
February 28 2013 13:49 GMT
#3239
I'm gonna ask here if there's anyone up for some duo ranked with me, I'm doing my placement matches
( I'm too much of a pussy to ask in liquidparty )
If you want to my ID is AFKBro on EUW

If i'm not allowed to post this here then i'll erase this message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 28 2013 13:59 GMT
#3240
On February 28 2013 22:49 GregMandel wrote:
I'm gonna ask here if there's anyone up for some duo ranked with me, I'm doing my placement matches
( I'm too much of a pussy to ask in liquidparty )
If you want to my ID is AFKBro on EUW

If i'm not allowed to post this here then i'll erase this message

I would ask in liquidparty. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody answers. Although 90% of the stuff that is posted is only partially game related (and some not at all), people will usually do a lot to help if you have some specific questions. At least in my experience.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
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