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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 23 2013 04:51 Two_DoWn wrote: Fuck them. I was original Dragonbitch lover. Yeah, dragon bitch was best. TD and a few others here (me <_<) loved Shy for a month or two before Shy became popular. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 23 2013 04:59 kainzero wrote: the more i tried to play shy the more i realized that her kit is pretty crappy. i don't feel tanky enough and i don't feel like i do enough damage. jungle clearing was cool but that was about it. ganks were terrible unless you took exhaust. you could counterjungle but that was probably it. even when i got fed i didn't feel that useful. Shyvana would either win or lose the game by level 16. She was the jungle equivalent of Leblanc in that sense. You either got enough resists and health to tank everything the enemy team threw at you in midgame fights and used that to snowball the game from there or you didnt and you likely lost. There was no middle ground. Her free stats are really what helped her do this, but the differentiating factor between her and say Udyr who basically tried to do the same thing was that Udyr had to walk in and take free damage at the start while Shyv got her ulti to jump in. Right now she isnt the only one who can do that thanks to the jungle changes enabling single target junglers like Xin, J4, and Vi to pace with her in terms of the items and stats you get, along with having the same benefit of being able to jump in. At that point the distinction basically comes down to Shyv just not having enough CC to be able to compare to the rest of the current top teir jungles and not having the benefit of additional tank that she used too. I mean, Hec and Shyv basically have a similar kit in terms of what they do in fights and how they clear the jungle, only Hec W does way more for him than her free stats do for her. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
She was good at the beginning of S2 because the jungle was in a unique place where she straight-up had higher farming efficiency than everyone else, and that was good enough. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:18 TheYango wrote: Top always felt like it made more sense to me than jungle, because her early-midgame farm demand is actually quite high, and she doesn't accomplish that much IN the jungle. Plus she's a manaless champ, and manaless automatically = good in lane right? (jk) She was good at the beginning of S2 because the jungle was in a unique place where she straight-up had higher farming efficiency than everyone else, and that was good enough. I could see her digging a Locket+BOTRK+Wits build from top lane. Interesting thing would be if she could survive a 1v2 lane. Her E would help, but it would be a question of if she could use W without getting massacred. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:21 Two_DoWn wrote: I could see her digging a Locket+BOTRK+Wits build from top lane. Interesting thing would be if she could survive a 1v2 lane. Her E would help, but it would be a question of if she could use W without getting massacred. I could actually see her doing well in a 1v2 lane with Hydra. Hard for enemy to shove into your tower when you can destroy the lane with an auto-QW combo. Plus regen and lifesteal rock with her free resists, ofc. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:18 TheYango wrote: Top always felt like it made more sense to me than jungle, because her early-midgame farm demand is actually quite high, and she doesn't accomplish that much IN the jungle. Plus she's a manaless champ, and manaless automatically = good in lane right? (jk) She was good at the beginning of S2 because the jungle was in a unique place where she straight-up had higher farming efficiency than everyone else, and that was good enough. even though you were being sarcastic, that's 100% why she's a great top no mana constraints = 1 less resource to manage split damage type = no real way to itemize against her double-auto reset + speed boost + dash = splitpushing monster she still does really well against melee tops that don't have a ton of ranged harass that being said, the most recent strong tops, rengar, elise, jayce, zed have all had really strong ranged harass, and the only one that didn't (darius) is just a straight-up better dueler than her i bet shyvana could do well in s3 if there was an item that was a bit more suited to her. idk what that item would be but i feel like a lot of the new s3 items are underwhelming on her and the old s2 style of all-the-resists just isn't as good. maybe i'll toy around with her some | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:21 Two_DoWn wrote: I could see her digging a Locket+BOTRK+Wits build from top lane. Interesting thing would be if she could survive a 1v2 lane. Her E would help, but it would be a question of if she could use W without getting massacred. warmogs sunfire like everyone else but then wits end maybe shyv is like a burst damage monster at level 16 and also has an aoe 15% armour debuff and her W does more damage than you think since it can double proc if they sit in the dragon fire shit on the ground as well as the normal w damage i think all my shyvana games where I raped were either top lane or jungle where i end up constantly farming top (mostly normalz tho but I do shit like trying to quadra 1v4 and sometimes succeed) theres really no reason to jungle shyvana any more since the weird power farming/counterjungling niche is gone. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:23 Requizen wrote: I could actually see her doing well in a 1v2 lane with Hydra. Hard for enemy to shove into your tower when you can destroy the lane with an auto-QW combo. Plus regen and lifesteal rock with her free resists, ofc. Unfortunately, you dont get a hydra at level 1. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:26 Two_DoWn wrote: Unfortunately, you dont get a hydra at level 1. She can stall pretty well with just W and picking off farm with E. Her speed boost makes her pretty hard to dive early levels unless you have chain hard CC. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
But then we end up in a scenario where she doenst get the benefit of wriggles proc interactions with her Q | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:32 Two_DoWn wrote: I dunno. I feel she would REALLY like Liz elder since it would proc each time on her W, plus she likes AD. But then we end up in a scenario where she doenst get the benefit of wriggles proc interactions with her Q Finished Lizard Elder is nice, but it's really lopsided and the buildup sucks. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:32 Two_DoWn wrote: I dunno. I feel she would REALLY like Liz elder since it would proc each time on her W, plus she likes AD. But then we end up in a scenario where she doenst get the benefit of wriggles proc interactions with her Q ... and instead get the benefit of +25% damage on ALL her skills to creeps >_> | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:45 Sufficiency wrote: Sejuani + Liandry = lolsauce Yuuuuup. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:08 Requizen wrote: Please don't make Sej a thing. I'm all for seeing more champions come around, but her ult is such unadulterated bullshit that if she was ever viable I'd cry. Flingable amumu ult, what was riot thinking? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:08 Requizen wrote: Please don't make Sej a thing. I'm all for seeing more champions come around, but her ult is such unadulterated bullshit that if she was ever viable I'd cry. 1st rule about Sejuani-club, don't talk about Sejuani-club. | ||
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