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Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
February 22 2013 07:26 GMT
#2141
Zed's ult is still stupid as fuck. :3 Kill ALLL DA ADC
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 22 2013 07:39 GMT
#2142
On February 22 2013 16:18 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 15:51 koreasilver wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:42 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:39 ketchup wrote:
Dubs in general are just a bad idea though. People generally enjoy hearing someone speak in their own language in their own voice. It just makes no sense why they'd dub it.


There are a lot of people in the world who can speak English and can't read it.

And those people are going to be playing LoL and watching these videos how/why?


LoL has clients in other languages. You're being pretty ignorant right now.


I don't see why Riot couldn't just have subs in several different languages while having him speak in his normal voice. The dub was pretty bad tbh, on the scale of some animes that shall not be named horrible. I mean would it really be that hard to have them create subs in like 5 different languages for a simple 3min video.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
February 22 2013 07:45 GMT
#2143
On February 22 2013 16:39 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:18 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:51 koreasilver wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:42 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:39 ketchup wrote:
Dubs in general are just a bad idea though. People generally enjoy hearing someone speak in their own language in their own voice. It just makes no sense why they'd dub it.


There are a lot of people in the world who can speak English and can't read it.

And those people are going to be playing LoL and watching these videos how/why?


LoL has clients in other languages. You're being pretty ignorant right now.


I don't see why Riot couldn't just have subs in several different languages while having him speak in his normal voice. The dub was pretty bad tbh, on the scale of some animes that shall not be named horrible. I mean would it really be that hard to have them create subs in like 5 different languages for a simple 3min video.
There are subs on Youtube in English, French, German, Greek, Polish, Spanish, Portuguese & Romanian.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11991 Posts
February 22 2013 07:45 GMT
#2144
On February 22 2013 16:39 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:18 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:51 koreasilver wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:42 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:39 ketchup wrote:
Dubs in general are just a bad idea though. People generally enjoy hearing someone speak in their own language in their own voice. It just makes no sense why they'd dub it.


There are a lot of people in the world who can speak English and can't read it.

And those people are going to be playing LoL and watching these videos how/why?


LoL has clients in other languages. You're being pretty ignorant right now.


I don't see why Riot couldn't just have subs in several different languages while having him speak in his normal voice. The dub was pretty bad tbh, on the scale of some animes that shall not be named horrible. I mean would it really be that hard to have them create subs in like 5 different languages for a simple 3min video.


Dubbing in general is pretty stupid. Basically everything in germany gets dubbed for some strange reason, and even though we apparently get pretty good dubs in comparison to others, i still can't look at stuff on tv anymore since i started watching things in english on the internet. There is just this gigantic gap between an actor acting and speaking at the same time, and a different person trying to VA over another persons mouth movements in a different language. It always feels fake. Subtitles are clearly superior. Plus you learn a different language for free.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 22 2013 07:49 GMT
#2145
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 22 2013 07:49 GMT
#2146
On February 22 2013 16:45 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:39 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:18 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:51 koreasilver wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:42 Ketara wrote:
On February 22 2013 15:39 ketchup wrote:
Dubs in general are just a bad idea though. People generally enjoy hearing someone speak in their own language in their own voice. It just makes no sense why they'd dub it.


There are a lot of people in the world who can speak English and can't read it.

And those people are going to be playing LoL and watching these videos how/why?


LoL has clients in other languages. You're being pretty ignorant right now.


I don't see why Riot couldn't just have subs in several different languages while having him speak in his normal voice. The dub was pretty bad tbh, on the scale of some animes that shall not be named horrible. I mean would it really be that hard to have them create subs in like 5 different languages for a simple 3min video.


Dubbing in general is pretty stupid. Basically everything in germany gets dubbed for some strange reason, and even though we apparently get pretty good dubs in comparison to others, i still can't look at stuff on tv anymore since i started watching things in english on the internet. There is just this gigantic gap between an actor acting and speaking at the same time, and a different person trying to VA over another persons mouth movements in a different language. It always feels fake. Subtitles are clearly superior. Plus you learn a different language for free.



Dubbing is fine, it's just that the dub we are talking about has this painful monotone voice.....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 22 2013 07:55 GMT
#2147
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 22 2013 07:58 GMT
#2148
On February 22 2013 16:55 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.


Which is great imo. The bitch was broken.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 22 2013 08:06 GMT
#2149
On February 22 2013 16:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:55 iCanada wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.


Which is great imo. The bitch was broken.


I still think she broken. The way she designed so that she scales with just AD is silly. Free shield from AD is just silly.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 22 2013 08:17 GMT
#2150
On February 22 2013 17:06 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:58 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:55 iCanada wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.


Which is great imo. The bitch was broken.


I still think she broken. The way she designed so that she scales with just AD is silly. Free shield from AD is just silly.

Blame it on metagolem.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
February 22 2013 08:33 GMT
#2151
On February 22 2013 17:06 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 16:58 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:55 iCanada wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.


Which is great imo. The bitch was broken.


I still think she broken. The way she designed so that she scales with just AD is silly. Free shield from AD is just silly.
I think Riven's W and E need to have a 1.0 AP ratio.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 08:36:21
February 22 2013 08:34 GMT
#2152
On February 22 2013 17:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 17:06 iCanada wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:58 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:55 iCanada wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:49 Gahlo wrote:
On February 22 2013 16:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So hopefully they nerf Vi soon. She literally gets too many free stats. Two auto attack resets, a free shield, free AS steroid, free arp, free %hp damage, and two gap closers. And every one of her skills have ad ratio's. Even xin doesn't have 4 ad ratios. Imagine if xin had 4 ad ratios, or malphite had 4 armor ratios. I'm trying to find a champion with 4 ad ratios, but most champions don't have 4 skills that could get ad ratios. This is the exact same problem diana had. Too many ratios, too many gap closers. (note I finally found a champion with 4 ad ratios, Riven, and everyone knows how they had to nerf her mobility, and it's no where near Vi's).

It's funny, I remember watching smash and he said he was part of the balance team to get her balanced, and then this happens.

They never nerfed Riven's mobility.


Just her entire kit, twice.


Which is great imo. The bitch was broken.


I still think she broken. The way she designed so that she scales with just AD is silly. Free shield from AD is just silly.

Blame it on metagolem.


It wouldn't have even been that bad if she had mana costs on her shield, but it basically free HP that scales with offensive stats. Worse yet, it closes gaps meaning Rivens lane opponents can't even avoid trading.

On February 22 2013 17:33 ChaoSbringer wrote:
I think Riven's W and E need to have a 1.0 AP ratio.


Yeah, honestly I think then she'd be much more managable. Then they could rebuff her W, Q, and even her boxcar numbers.

Even just the E being an AP scale I'd be fine with.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 08:48:40
February 22 2013 08:45 GMT
#2153
Pls don't touch Riven :<

Edit: Also, what are some safe picks top that don't have a lot of hard counters? Other than Shen and Elise since they're always banned lul.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 22 2013 08:52 GMT
#2154
On February 22 2013 17:45 Mondeezy wrote:
Pls don't touch Riven :<

Edit: Also, what are some safe picks top that don't have a lot of hard counters? Other than Shen and Elise since they're always banned lul.

Interior crocodile alligator, apparently.
Capricious_LoL
Profile Joined December 2012
United States222 Posts
February 22 2013 08:53 GMT
#2155
Even though i am biased as a "high elo" Riven main, I think that the recent nerfs made her one of the worst champions and borderline tournament unviable. Any further nerfs would make her completely useless and reduce her to Olaf status.
NA LoL: Capriciøus
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 22 2013 08:55 GMT
#2156
On February 22 2013 17:53 Capriccioso wrote:
Even though i am biased as a "high elo" Riven main, I think that the recent nerfs made her one of the worst champions and borderline tournament unviable. Any further nerfs would make her completely useless and reduce her to Olaf status.


Oh, you misunderstand me.

I dont think Riven is unbalanced as she is in the game currently, I think her design broken.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 22 2013 09:04 GMT
#2157
On February 22 2013 17:53 Capriccioso wrote:
Even though i am biased as a "high elo" Riven main, I think that the recent nerfs made her one of the worst champions and borderline tournament unviable. Any further nerfs would make her completely useless and reduce her to Olaf status.

I don't remember anybody playing her well in a tournament outside of Nintendude jungling with her at IPL(3?).

The passive change leans her closer towards being viable, but it isn't enough.
Capricious_LoL
Profile Joined December 2012
United States222 Posts
February 22 2013 09:04 GMT
#2158
I don't see broken design in trading low base stats for high scaling ratios. Is it that manaless champions are bad design? Many mana champions don't have relevant mana costs anyway.
NA LoL: Capriciøus
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 22 2013 09:05 GMT
#2159
On February 22 2013 18:04 Capriccioso wrote:
I don't see broken design in trading low base stats for high scaling ratios. Is it that manaless champions are bad design? Many mana champions don't have relevant mana costs anyway.

Most of those champs that "don't have relevant mana costs" ended up that way due to the downward power slide of mana costs in an effort to make them playable in lane against their manaless counterparts.
Moderator
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 22 2013 09:10 GMT
#2160
On February 22 2013 18:04 Capriccioso wrote:
I don't see broken design in trading low base stats for high scaling ratios. Is it that manaless champions are bad design? Many mana champions don't have relevant mana costs anyway.


It is the manaless shield, the high scaling ratios, mixed with the fact that originally she had strong base stats and boxcar numbers.

With how her kit works now she either too strong, or too weak. No middle ground.
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