EPT[Patch 3.01: Season 3] General Discussion - Page 105
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:20 Mondeezy wrote: I seriously need to l2p Rumble. Sooo strong if you can play him right ;_; False logic. Most champs are strong if you play them right. Exhibit A) Maknoon. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:29 wei2coolman wrote: False logic. Most champs are strong if you play them right. Exhibit A) Maknoon. But Rumble is such a niche pick that people who really knows how to play him just crush top because most people they face don't understand this little ball of furr standing on a robot. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 06 2013 16:44 Two_DoWn wrote: What are people's average gains from this shitty system? I just got 25. I get shit ton of points when I win, I lose shit ton when I lose. Just got my placement matches, I was going from 90 to 60 by losing once, then back to 90 by winning once. Awwww fuck double post, I'm dumb. It's so early in the morning. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:48 WhiteDog wrote: But Rumble is such a niche pick that people who really knows how to play him just crush top because most people they face don't understand this little ball of furr standing on a robot. The S3 changes made him worse imo, in mid-S2 he was a real beast. He use to be able to crush top lane, now the lane matchup is more fair. His real strength is midgame tower pushing. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:03 zodde wrote: So the old system was 12~ Elo lost/gained for even teams, does this system have a "default League Points like that when you reach the league/division you should be in (according to your MMR)? Best I can figure, based on what we have been told: The old MMR/Elo system is in place, exactly as it was before. Its just that now we have this fancy new overlay completely hiding it. LP still check your Division/Points against your MMR to determine where it wants you to go, so you get bounced around a bit since it isnt the primary system: old Elo is. My guess would be cutoffs are exactly where they were before, a fact borne out by my own experience. I had 1450 before the reset, and it took me about 8 wins to hit gold out of silver 1. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:48 WhiteDog wrote: But Rumble is such a niche pick that people who really knows how to play him just crush top because most people they face don't understand this little ball of furr standing on a robot. I almost exclusively like to play underplayed champs for that reason. It's always sad when they become popular then too. Gragas was my favorite and best champ for ages with an absurd win%. Then he got the buffs and everybody realized how crazy good he was... then all the nerfs came and everybody shelved him again. It's not about being a hipster or anything, but playing the rarer champions always feels like you're spreading the word of their awesomeness to the unenlightened masses. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:09 Two_DoWn wrote: Best I can figure, based on what we have been told: The old MMR/Elo system is in place, exactly as it was before. Its just that now we have this fancy new overlay completely hiding it. LP still check your Division/Points against your MMR to determine where it wants you to go, so you get bounced around a bit since it isnt the primary system: old Elo is. My guess would be cutoffs are exactly where they were before, a fact borne out by my own experience. I had 1450 before the reset, and it took me about 8 wins to hit gold out of silver 1. I might be wrong, but shouldn't there still be a standard number of LP gained/lost from a win, if your MMR and division/points are at the same place (for example low Gold V and low 1500s Elo) and the teams are both have an average Elo/MMR of low 1500s? | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I almost exclusively like to play underplayed champs for that reason. It's always sad when they become popular then too. Gragas was my favorite and best champ for ages with an absurd win%. Then he got the buffs and everybody realized how crazy good he was... then all the nerfs came and everybody shelved him again. It's not about being a hipster or anything, but playing the rarer champions always feels like you're spreading the word of their awesomeness to the unenlightened masses. That's actually the inner definition of being a hipster l0l Like you've said it like I always wanted to but couldn't find the words. You're on TL LoL, being a hipster here is mandatory so no big deal :-p | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I almost exclusively like to play underplayed champs for that reason. It's always sad when they become popular then too. Gragas was my favorite and best champ for ages with an absurd win%. Then he got the buffs and everybody realized how crazy good he was... then all the nerfs came and everybody shelved him again. It's not about being a hipster or anything, but playing the rarer champions always feels like you're spreading the word of their awesomeness to the unenlightened masses. I have a friend that does this all the time. Takes a champion that no one plays, masters it, then gets these "hipster" feelings when people (pros/streamers) make his champion mainstream :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:19 zodde wrote: I might be wrong, but shouldn't there still be a standard number of LP gained/lost from a win, if your MMR and division/points are at the same place (for example low Gold V and low 1500s Elo) and the teams are both have an average Elo/MMR of low 1500s? Maybe, but we'll see that once people are placed correctly. It's more or less admitted that each division (100 LP) doesn't cover the same scale of 100 Elo, so you'll probably always move more LP than you moved Elo previously after a game, but to which extent is hidden by all the "too high/too low" atm that tries to move you toward your "right" league. Since EUW has figuratively exploded from all the people coming in to try ranked, I expect most of them to still be on accelerated Elo, if not directly doing their placement matches, so higher numbers are normal, and wide variations occur, that heed wide LP variations until they settle down. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:27 GregMandel wrote: That's actually the inner definition of being a hipster l0l Like you've said it like I always wanted to but couldn't find the words. You're on TL LoL, being a hipster here is mandatory so no big deal :-p Hipsters only wish to spread the word about how awesome they are... I'm more about showcasing the awesomeness of the champ. It'd be like if hipsters were drinking PBR un-ironically. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:32 Alaric wrote: Maybe, but we'll see that once people are placed correctly. It's more or less admitted that each division (100 LP) doesn't cover the same scale of 100 Elo, so you'll probably always move more LP than you moved Elo previously after a game, but to which extent is hidden by all the "too high/too low" atm that tries to move you toward your "right" league. Since EUW has figuratively exploded from all the people coming in to try ranked, I expect most of them to still be on accelerated Elo, if not directly doing their placement matches, so higher numbers are normal, and wide variations occur, that heed wide LP variations until they settle down. Yeah I guess the system is too volatile to tell yet. Somewhere around 25 LP per game is a reasonable guess. EUW is a mess, so much server stability issues these days. If the playerbase keeps growing, which I assume it is, they need to upgrade their servers before we get to the same state as it was before the EUW/EUNE split. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last hitting and mechanics are very similar between the two games correct? And can I play against bots in DotA? If you have a better idea of how to play an offline MOBA game close to LoL, I'd love to hear it. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:19 zodde wrote: I might be wrong, but shouldn't there still be a standard number of LP gained/lost from a win, if your MMR and division/points are at the same place (for example low Gold V and low 1500s Elo) and the teams are both have an average Elo/MMR of low 1500s? yeah, should be, except promotional matches probably mess up the equilibrium pretty easily. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:29 wei2coolman wrote: False logic. Most champs are strong if you play them right. Exhibit A) Maknoon. Even if it were false logic, a consistent 60~ winrate in soloq doesn't lie. (At least it says that maining Rumble is viable as fuck) I play under played champions because the inevitablility that is Riot's ban hammer will take longer. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:54 JonGalt wrote: So I won't have internet for a very long time. I was thinking about downloading WC3 and DotA to practice mechanics and be able to play a MOBA. I have never played DotA before, just LoL. Last hitting and mechanics are very similar between the two games correct? And can I play against bots in DotA? If you have a better idea of how to play an offline MOBA game close to LoL, I'd love to hear it. #WeWantLAN For real though, yes you can play DotA vs Bots but they are retarded, and it's fairly boring Also the last hitting in War3 was like a real pain in the ass for me | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:57 UniversalSnip wrote: yeah, should be, except promotional matches probably mess up the equilibrium pretty easily. Oh I forgot that, yeah that sounds correct. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 06 2013 18:27 GregMandel wrote: That's actually the inner definition of being a hipster l0l Like you've said it like I always wanted to but couldn't find the words. You're on TL LoL, being a hipster here is mandatory so no big deal :-p No way, that's like the opposite of being a hipster. A true hipster would never want the mainstream to appreciate something they enjoy, in fact it would insult them to know that the average pleb thought they could understand the complexity and greatness of their favorite lo-fi jazztronic flute collective or hand-made japanese raw denim jeans. They will display such art to the general population only to see their confusion and revel in their own inferred superiority. Trust me. I live in portland. | ||
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