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On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver.
If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference?
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On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference?
Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again.
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On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again.
That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much.
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I would have started the points at 100 and had it go either way - 200 is promotion series, 0 is demotion series. Winning demotion or losing promotion resets it to 100 and the opposite is a demotion / promotion.
Although it's still hit or miss wether the trolls / feeders will just luck out and stay in the division, i think its a better system
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On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much.
Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier.
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Yeah, SC2's system allows demotion and still makes you play at significantly above minimum-tier-skill-level before they promote you.
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On February 06 2013 23:14 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much. Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier.
Some Rioter said that they made that check overly strict. They're going to loosen it a bit, but it's not going to be super easy either.
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On February 06 2013 23:30 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:14 BlueSpace wrote:On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much. Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier. Some Rioter said that they made that check overly strict. They're going to loosen it a bit, but it's not going to be super easy either.
Makes sense. You'd want to err on the side of caution at first, and observe how many people in plat V / gold V / etc. don't actually deserve to be there, and if you observe very few such people, then loosen it up (since you can't undo any mistakes if you made it too loose at the beginning and then tightened up promotion requirements)
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On February 06 2013 23:14 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much. Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier.
making it that someone has to go on a 4 win streak everytime they loose a single game when they are reaching the 100 mark is very strict. at least they could ease the point loss when u arent winning much either. Not like +4/-4 but a middle ground between the +4/-20 that it is now like -8
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I think it would be smart to make it so you still have an LP total while making your promotion matches, but it's hidden while you're in the series and still caps at 100.
Like, say for the sake of argument you gain 20 LP for every win and lose 18 for every loss. Seems to be pretty standard from what I've heard. You hit 100 and are put in your promotion series for Gold -> Plat.
Game 1 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. your hidden LP total is 82.
Game 2 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 64.
Game 3 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 84.
Game 4 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 100 (104, but capped).
Game 5 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 82.
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50.
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On February 07 2013 00:09 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 23:14 BlueSpace wrote:On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much. Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier. making it that someone has to go on a 4 win streak everytime they loose a single game when they are reaching the 100 mark is very strict. at least they could ease the point loss when u arent winning much either. Not like +4/-4 but a middle ground between the +4/-20 that it is now like -8
Weird, it did not feel like it works like that to me. I started in Gold1, apparently with a far lower MMR since i gained about half of what i lost. Then i got demoted. In Gold2, gains and losses started out about equal and then tended to go for larger wins and smaller losses as i went on a winning spree. Lost first promotion series, won second one. Got promoted to Gold 1, where i was pretty consistently winning ~20 -25 and losing ~15-20 for some time until i finally got my promotion series. Never did i experience those smaller gains when i approach 100 people are talking about here.
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50.
I am pretty sure that it already works like this, at least i ended up at 73 LP after losing my promotion series to gold I 1:2.
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Just had my greatest game with graves
I LOVE this champ, so easy to stomp in lane, and the burst is incredible with the good steroids
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On February 07 2013 00:27 GregMandel wrote:
Just had my greatest game with graves
I LOVE this champ, so easy to stomp in lane, and the burst is incredible with the good steroids
You going thirster wisper warmogs or what?
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On February 07 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
I think it would be smart to make it so you still have an LP total while making your promotion matches, but it's hidden while you're in the series and still caps at 100.
Like, say for the sake of argument you gain 20 LP for every win and lose 18 for every loss. Seems to be pretty standard from what I've heard. You hit 100 and are put in your promotion series for Gold -> Plat.
Game 1 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. your hidden LP total is 82.
Game 2 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 64.
Game 3 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 84.
Game 4 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 100 (104, but capped).
Game 5 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 82.
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50.
It already works like this I think. If you're getting knocked down to 50 LP after a series loss the system doesn't really think you're ready for promotion yet.
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On February 07 2013 00:21 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 00:09 misirlou wrote:On February 06 2013 23:14 BlueSpace wrote:On February 06 2013 23:09 NovaTheFeared wrote:On February 06 2013 23:06 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 23:01 nafta wrote:On February 06 2013 22:41 zodde wrote:On February 06 2013 22:20 misirlou wrote:
Is the division 1 points bug still on? Like i was on a 2 win streak which got me from 30ish points to 71. I got 3 more wins in a row, netting me 14, 8 and 4 points respectively, placing me at 96. there's only so many times in a row u can dodge the trolls on ur team. It was bugged, but the system is still supposed to work like that. They don't want players going on a 10 game winstreak, end up being promoted to gold and then just hovering in 0-30 LP Gold V because they really belong in silver. If someone is legitemately in silver 1 he really shouldn't have any trouble with gold 5 lol.Why would there be that much of a difference? Because they don't want people to go up in divisions if they don't really deserve it, when they can't ever get demoted again. That's a problem of their own artificial making. It's easy enough to let people fall tiers if they lose too much. Yes and they fabricated a solution to it by forcing people to play consistently above a certain level before they get promoted, if you would allow demotion, people would flip/flop between gold and silver for a while, which would be even worse. So even if demotion would be possible, it is still sensible to adjust the system in a way that people are well above the minimum required "skill" to enter the next tier. making it that someone has to go on a 4 win streak everytime they loose a single game when they are reaching the 100 mark is very strict. at least they could ease the point loss when u arent winning much either. Not like +4/-4 but a middle ground between the +4/-20 that it is now like -8 Weird, it did not feel like it works like that to me. I started in Gold1, apparently with a far lower MMR since i gained about half of what i lost. Then i got demoted. In Gold2, gains and losses started out about equal and then tended to go for larger wins and smaller losses as i went on a winning spree. Lost first promotion series, won second one. Got promoted to Gold 1, where i was pretty consistently winning ~20 -25 and losing ~15-20 for some time until i finally got my promotion series. Never did i experience those smaller gains when i approach 100 people are talking about here. Show nested quote +
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50.
I am pretty sure that it already works like this, at least i ended up at 73 LP after losing my promotion series to gold I 1:2.
it doesnt mitigate wins on divisions 5-2, only on 1 because of the rank promotion
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On February 07 2013 00:39 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
I think it would be smart to make it so you still have an LP total while making your promotion matches, but it's hidden while you're in the series and still caps at 100.
Like, say for the sake of argument you gain 20 LP for every win and lose 18 for every loss. Seems to be pretty standard from what I've heard. You hit 100 and are put in your promotion series for Gold -> Plat.
Game 1 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. your hidden LP total is 82.
Game 2 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 64.
Game 3 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 84.
Game 4 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 100 (104, but capped).
Game 5 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 82.
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50. It already works like this I think. If you're getting knocked down to 50 LP after a series loss the system doesn't really think you're ready for promotion yet.
From what I can tell, everyone who loses their promotion matches is defaulted to 50 immediately afterwards.
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So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.
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more liek why did you stop playing MORDEKAISER
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On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.
Mastermind at T2 helps a lot.
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On February 07 2013 00:39 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
I think it would be smart to make it so you still have an LP total while making your promotion matches, but it's hidden while you're in the series and still caps at 100.
Like, say for the sake of argument you gain 20 LP for every win and lose 18 for every loss. Seems to be pretty standard from what I've heard. You hit 100 and are put in your promotion series for Gold -> Plat.
Game 1 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. your hidden LP total is 82.
Game 2 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 64.
Game 3 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 84.
Game 4 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 100 (104, but capped).
Game 5 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 82.
You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50. It already works like this I think. If you're getting knocked down to 50 LP after a series loss the system doesn't really think you're ready for promotion yet.
You're defaulted to 50 if you go 0-2, and 70 if you go 1-2, far as I can tell.
It easily leads to situations where you have a positive win rate but are actually losing league points, which is fairly counterintuitive.
As to Reqs idea, I don't see why they would even cap it at 100. If you go 3-0 in your promotion series I don't see any reason why you shouldn't start Plat 5 at 40 points. They could also require you play all 5 games to even it out.
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