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Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:10:18
February 06 2013 16:09 GMT
#2141
It's also a new toy/game syndrome. You started playing your X-Box 360 (Viktor) instead of your NES (Annie). The graphics shiny and so much better, but now they've re-released Annie with updated graphics and you realize she was always just as much fun.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:19:43
February 06 2013 16:17 GMT
#2142
On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.

'cause Viktor obviously.

^ who isn't a toy. I mean, you could liken him to the hyper tech iStuff toys you get nowadays, but that'd be insulting. Dude didn't get out of factories by the dozens. Self-made man (literally), (Zaun's) street cred and stuff.

Also got promoted to Silver 3, from 4. Kinda expected to go up to 2, since I'm playing mostly with/against Silver 1-2 players it seems. Maybe they're players in their way to demotion, though, most games have been stomps (apart from the promotion series, come to think of it... ).
Edit: oh wait no, it's actually Silver 2. As in "you got promoted to Silver II!". I'm blaming the font. And I'm probably where I belong for now, I'll see if I manage to climb up to Silver I.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 06 2013 16:20 GMT
#2143
On February 07 2013 01:17 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.

'cause Viktor obviously.

^ who isn't a toy. I mean, you could liken him to the hyper tech iStuff toys you get nowadays, but that'd be insulting. Dude didn't get out of factories by the dozens. Self-made man (literally), (Zaun's) street cred and stuff.

Also got promoted to Silver 3, from 4. Kinda expected to go up to 2, since I'm playing mostly with/against Silver 1-2 players it seems. Maybe they're players in their way to demotion, though, most games have been stomps (apart from the promotion series, come to think of it... ).

Oh dude I always assumed you were like Gold at minimum. We should duo, I just got into Silver 2.
It's your boy Guzma!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 06 2013 16:20 GMT
#2144
On February 07 2013 01:07 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 00:39 thenexusp wrote:
On February 07 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
I think it would be smart to make it so you still have an LP total while making your promotion matches, but it's hidden while you're in the series and still caps at 100.

Like, say for the sake of argument you gain 20 LP for every win and lose 18 for every loss. Seems to be pretty standard from what I've heard. You hit 100 and are put in your promotion series for Gold -> Plat.

Game 1 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. your hidden LP total is 82.

Game 2 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 64.

Game 3 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 84.

Game 4 is a win, so you gain 20 LP. Your hidden LP total is 100 (104, but capped).

Game 5 is a loss, so you lose 18 LP. Your hidden LP total is 82.

You are now out of your promotion series, but at 82 LP instead of 50. This wouldn't be a huge change, but it would alleviate some of the frustration of winning 8 games in a row to get to your promotion series, only to lose 2 or 3 games (depending if it's division or rank) and get knocked down to 50.

It already works like this I think. If you're getting knocked down to 50 LP after a series loss the system doesn't really think you're ready for promotion yet.


You're defaulted to 50 if you go 0-2, and 70 if you go 1-2, far as I can tell.

It easily leads to situations where you have a positive win rate but are actually losing league points, which is fairly counterintuitive.

Not in the long run, if your MMR is high enough you'll gain +30 points per win, which means you have to go 2-2 in order to not advance, which is not a positive win rate at all

And this system kind of mirrors tournaments too, if you go 3-0 in group stages then drop out of the next round 1-2 then no one really cares you had a positive record that day, you still lost
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 06 2013 16:21 GMT
#2145
I think I'm going to be that guy and make a poll thread for which TLers are in what league.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 06 2013 16:21 GMT
#2146
Wasn't there one already?
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 06 2013 16:23 GMT
#2147
My suspicion is that a lot of people were placed too high initially and the system is trying to knock them back down to the correct place by making them lose a lot of points. When someone gets into silver III and gets +10 for a win and -30 for a loss their first reaction is "this system is broken" when it should be "i don't deserve to be in silver III"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
February 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#2148
On February 07 2013 01:20 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 01:17 Alaric wrote:
On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.

'cause Viktor obviously.

^ who isn't a toy. I mean, you could liken him to the hyper tech iStuff toys you get nowadays, but that'd be insulting. Dude didn't get out of factories by the dozens. Self-made man (literally), (Zaun's) street cred and stuff.

Also got promoted to Silver 3, from 4. Kinda expected to go up to 2, since I'm playing mostly with/against Silver 1-2 players it seems. Maybe they're players in their way to demotion, though, most games have been stomps (apart from the promotion series, come to think of it... ).

Oh dude I always assumed you were like Gold at minimum. We should duo, I just got into Silver 2.

I think you two are on different servers
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3238 Posts
February 06 2013 16:25 GMT
#2149
yup. 5 win streak broken cause i get a 4v5. loose 19 when im wining 4 points. kk riot
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 06 2013 16:27 GMT
#2150
On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.



if you're really interested in annie, check out my build/set up on the account Reindeer

80 winrate over 20 games hue
I come in for the scraps
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
February 06 2013 16:29 GMT
#2151
On February 07 2013 00:35 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 00:27 GregMandel wrote:
Just had my greatest game with graves

I LOVE this champ, so easy to stomp in lane, and the burst is incredible with the good steroids


You going thirster wisper warmogs or what?


BT PD IE LW Warmogs

Best build IMo when you get so fed, otherwise i'd consider skipping the LW if it isnt necesary

i did another game and I really needed the LW but the first game i could have not bought it, just bought it as a luxury item really
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:30:56
February 06 2013 16:30 GMT
#2152
How'd jungle Ahri go?
Honestly curious.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 06 2013 16:30 GMT
#2153
On February 07 2013 01:23 thenexusp wrote:
My suspicion is that a lot of people were placed too high initially and the system is trying to knock them back down to the correct place by making them lose a lot of points. When someone gets into silver III and gets +10 for a win and -30 for a loss their first reaction is "this system is broken" when it should be "i don't deserve to be in silver III"

Yeah, that's a huge part of it. Someone earlier was saying Riot overvalued a variable in their equation placing people higher than they should be. Once it all balances out we should have less examples of this happening.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 06 2013 16:34 GMT
#2154
I am a little surprised at this idea that people's ratings were overvalued, since all the pro players were initially placed in Plat league, and my games have on the whole been easier than they were before the change. Average skill rate of my opponents has definitely dropped.

Maybe everybody was placed higher than they should be except for me, that would obviously explain everything /trollface.jpg
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:45:39
February 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#2155
On February 07 2013 01:20 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 01:17 Alaric wrote:
On February 07 2013 01:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So why did I ever stop playing Annie? I'm not sure if its the S3 changes, but I've been doing really really well with her the last few days.

'cause Viktor obviously.

^ who isn't a toy. I mean, you could liken him to the hyper tech iStuff toys you get nowadays, but that'd be insulting. Dude didn't get out of factories by the dozens. Self-made man (literally), (Zaun's) street cred and stuff.

Also got promoted to Silver 3, from 4. Kinda expected to go up to 2, since I'm playing mostly with/against Silver 1-2 players it seems. Maybe they're players in their way to demotion, though, most games have been stomps (apart from the promotion series, come to think of it... ).

Oh dude I always assumed you were like Gold at minimum. We should duo, I just got into Silver 2.

Once I get my NA account from 1 to 30, maybe. I'm on EUW. And na, pretty bad, the kind that exploits his lane opponent's ignorance instead of playing plain better himself.

Fun fact: the first EUW guy into challenger plays mainly Varus (158 games, 42% of his total), Draven and... Viktor.
It's his third at 35 behind Draven at 71 and before Vayne at 22 and Sivir at 18, but I don't care, still counts!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 06 2013 16:37 GMT
#2156
On February 07 2013 01:30 mordek wrote:
How'd jungle Ahri go?
Honestly curious.


hard to tell, they had elise and kat, some really bullshit champs to gank
I come in for the scraps
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 06 2013 16:41 GMT
#2157
On February 07 2013 01:34 Ketara wrote:
I am a little surprised at this idea that people's ratings were overvalued, since all the pro players were initially placed in Plat league, and my games have on the whole been easier than they were before the change. Average skill rate of my opponents has definitely dropped.

Maybe everybody was placed higher than they should be except for me, that would obviously explain everything /trollface.jpg

That was something different, since they didn't let anyone get into diamond initially
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:44:42
February 06 2013 16:44 GMT
#2158
People got placed higher? So...whats below bronze V??? :| I resent this conversation

But honestly, i got placed lower imo, i know i tanked the placement games thanks to trolls and 4 afkers (4 fuckin games of afkers. i mean, shit! i barely see one a month and then that happens) but bronze V was a bit harsh xD even if i did go 3/7.

Good news is im happily destroying games down here, bronze III atm after a couple days games. Get flamed like shit by my teams though. Best part was making the calls w/ pings all game and leading us into decent fights (people we're following the pings) while basically carrying with leona (stuns op.) and someone at the end of the game saying "yep, my pings too good" and everyone telling him GJ GJ. hehehe not really flaming but hillarious none the less. - And no, he wasnt talking about latency, i asked
Useless wet fish.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 06 2013 16:47 GMT
#2159
On February 07 2013 01:44 Capped wrote:
People got placed higher? So...whats below bronze V??? :| I resent this conversation

But honestly, i got placed lower imo, i know i tanked the placement games thanks to trolls and 4 afkers (4 fuckin games of afkers. i mean, shit! i barely see one a month and then that happens) but bronze V was a bit harsh xD even if i did go 3/7.

Good news is im happily destroying games down here, bronze III atm after a couple days games. Get flamed like shit by my teams though. Best part was making the calls w/ pings all game and leading us into decent fights (people we're following the pings) while basically carrying with leona (stuns op.) and someone at the end of the game saying "yep, my pings too good" and everyone telling him GJ GJ. hehehe not really flaming but hillarious none the less. - And no, he wasnt talking about latency, i asked

This was for people that already had an Elo and were placed into divisions based on that. It's separate discussion from playing 10 new placement matches.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
February 06 2013 16:56 GMT
#2160
is there a particular number of win/loss during your first 10 matches that will determinate your ranking ? ( for example : 1/9 Bronze 5, 5/5 Silver 5, 8/2 Gold 5 10/0 plat5 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
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