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On January 22 2013 23:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Has here been a recent tourney game, or just in season 3, where a non olaf/elise top lane has carried?

On January 22 2013 23:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Has here been a recent tourney game, or just in season 3, where a non olaf/elise top lane has carried?

On January 22 2013 23:53 onlywonderboy wrote:

Cris' Shen was pretty important in that one game at the LCS qualifiers, but I get your point. Elise got her nerf though so we'll see what kind of impact that has. Still perplexed that Olaf hasn't been touched.

On January 23 2013 00:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i ask because people are saying that top lanes generally carry even less than they did season 2, with olaf/elise the exception, if that's the case then ganking top is even more uselses.

On January 22 2013 23:59 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah, i don't see how riot thinks olaf is in a good place
at the very VERY least they need to rework his passive so that he can't beat anyone in a 1v1 even if he's 5k gold and 2 levels behind them, and they need to take the spell vamp off his W so he can't heal from afar with axes. in all honesty i'd like to see them make it so you can't pick ghost on olaf too >_> just like block olaf from picking ghost. it's dumb enough that he's the hardest melee carry (see megazero singlehandedly carrying most of MRN's games (no offense ecco/<3beattt, i'm obviously somewhat exaggerating) with thornmail, warmogs, shurelias) and will always get his farm thanks to axes, but to make him ungankable too? dumb champ fuuuuuuuuuuu

didn't dota have something like this? like kunkka and pudge couldn't pick blink dagger? i feel like that was a thing

On January 22 2013 23:59 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah, i don't see how riot thinks olaf is in a good place
at the very VERY least they need to rework his passive so that he can't beat anyone in a 1v1 even if he's 5k gold and 2 levels behind them, and they need to take the spell vamp off his W so he can't heal from afar with axes. in all honesty i'd like to see them make it so you can't pick ghost on olaf too >_> just like block olaf from picking ghost. it's dumb enough that he's the hardest melee carry (see megazero singlehandedly carrying most of MRN's games (no offense ecco/<3beattt, i'm obviously somewhat exaggerating) with thornmail, warmogs, shurelias) and will always get his farm thanks to axes, but to make him ungankable too? dumb champ fuuuuuuuuuuu

didn't dota have something like this? like kunkka and pudge couldn't pick blink dagger? i feel like that was a thing

On January 22 2013 23:57 arb wrote:

His ult is really his problem imo. Can't be CC'd + all those free stats is kinda obnoxious.

On January 23 2013 00:10 cLutZ wrote:


How did Olaf go from a safe pick, who could hold his own well in 2v1 lanes to permaban? Basically the answer is S3 changes, not Olaf. There needs to be a couple of toplanes who are safe firstpicks, right now there is Olaf and Shen and what? Thats not an Olaf problem, thats an "we overnerfed Jayce and Trinity Force" problem.

On January 23 2013 00:13 onlywonderboy wrote:

Yeah, his signature mechanic revolves around making all peeling useless. Maybe removing the bonus Armor/MR would help, that way Olaf stays a little bit squishier when he dives. Or putting it back to where it doesn't break CC if you're already CC'd.


Jungle Olaf is pretty absurdly strong too

On January 23 2013 00:23 Alaric wrote:
I'd blame the way it's not simply better to stack HP and being able to get away with minimal resistances now, too. Olaf and Shen have pretty good HP-stacking mechanics (Shen's passive, the regen on his Q, the reduction of Reckless Swing's cost EHP-wise compared to buying resistances, Olaf's AD steroid on W, free resistances on Ragnarok, etc.) and they're been "buffed" by the s3 changes, kinda the same as Udyr/Irelia/Jax being "nerfed" by stacking resistances being a lot less viable.

Also TIL Vi's E applies Spirit of the Lizard Elder's DoT to all units hit, explains why Xj9 gets it.

I think people kinda stopped using the honor system by now - personally I barely ever use it, and I was just praised by all 4 of my team members for playing well despite our loss and I only received 1 honor.

On January 23 2013 00:23 Alaric wrote:
I'd blame the way it's not simply better to stack HP and being able to get away with minimal resistances now, too. Olaf and Shen have pretty good HP-stacking mechanics (Shen's passive, the regen on his Q, the reduction of Reckless Swing's cost EHP-wise compared to buying resistances, Olaf's AD steroid on W, free resistances on Ragnarok, etc.) and they're been "buffed" by the s3 changes, kinda the same as Udyr/Irelia/Jax being "nerfed" by stacking resistances being a lot less viable.

Also TIL Vi's E applies Spirit of the Lizard Elder's DoT to all units hit, explains why Xj9 gets it.

On January 23 2013 00:26 sylverfyre wrote:

You can still peel olaf by killing him, but now +HP is so good so juggernauts who get free resists and stack HP items are so hard to kill. You can also peel with terrain, both fixed or created. Fixed by playing carries with reposition, and duck over a wall when he comes running (still a problem, you're pretty much zoned from the fight now unless you have crazy range like late-tristana, or can only contribute via skillshots as corki/ezreal) or have someone like Trundle/Anivia/Jarvan to MAKE a wall (I think these are undervalued atm.) Nothing dicks over a mid-ragnarok Olaf like a giant wall in his face.

Jayce is still in a reasonable spot, but all the resist-stacking top laners are pretty much dicked over by the fact that there is NO good source of armor+MR (GA used to fill this role, but it got more nerfed than other armor/MR items.)

On January 23 2013 00:32 thenexusp wrote:

I just reread Spirit of the Lizard Elder 'cause I never get it. It applies to every damage source except DoT :O

It's kind of confusing how they name it after the red buff monster, then kinda make it similar to the red buff itself (true damage DoT) but then give it crucial differences (no slow, applies on all non-dot damage and not just basic attacks)


I only honor good support players nowadays