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On January 16 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote:
Vi really needed those buffs. Now she might actually feel somewhat smooth to play as. Especially the E changes are amazing.
Khazix nerfs not enough at all, who cared about isolated Q damage anyway? The hell...
No Zed nerfs but Talon nerfed to ground makes no sense either.
I really don't think Riven was strong enough to warrant those nerfs. There are many more problematic champions.
Syndra buffs were all right, could still use a bit more.
They finally Fixed Kassadin force pulse "sometimes" hitting the wrong way. I dropped Kassadin in early 2010 because his Force Pulse hit the opposite way every single time after ult, not "sometimes".
Vi feels really good midlane with max E i think.
Talon is always a symptom because of his binary kit, Zed is too new for them to nerf I feel like.
Finally, I watch the video every time just for trying to understand what Riot is thinking (or trying to make us think they are thinking), and the jungle still doesnt make sense. I mean, AOE junglers were not too strong, they were barely OK, single target junglers are just too pathetic. I understand that they have a bizzare hardon for Fiddle and Warwick jungle, but the jungle minion HP balance isn't the problem for them right now, its the total jungle minion HP + the crappy early clear gold.
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On January 16 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote:Khazix nerfs not enough at all, who cared about isolated Q damage anyway? The hell...
I do, because in solo que it is easy to completely shut him down only for your team to wander around him solo and die stupidly, and suddenly he's wrecking your team. Also makes the threat of dying in lane a lot lower, if you happen to have to finish him off away from minions.
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BTW Neo- can we count on you to at least inquire into any Riot buddies you may have whether it would be possible to keep MMR visible in some way?
An SC2 forum most of all can recognize how detrimental this can be.
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On January 16 2013 15:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
BTW Neo- can we count on you to at least inquire into any Riot buddies you may have whether it would be possible to keep MMR visible in some way?
An SC2 forum most of all can recognize how detrimental this can be.
It's probably too far along the process to have Riot reconsider the decision.
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For Talon it's something like ~90 damage more at level 18, and more or less equal at level 6 (5 damage in exchange of a 0.3 AD ratio, when you're probably going to run a lot of ArPen anyway... it's still a nerf because between masteries + items from first back + what little AD you'll build in order to one-shot the casters minions with W, you should have more than 15 at that point).
Basically it's probably something like
- identical at level 1 (you start W)
- weaker at level 2 (you take Q, nerfed)
- gets weaker until level 13
- the curve starts going up again and he's stronger at some point, probably level 17 or 18.
Though at level 13 it's something along the lines of 25 + 0.2 bonus AD difference in damage, so even assuming you have a BT (should have a bit more), you'll only lack ~50 damage on your full burst.
Also take ignite into consideration, since its first 2-3 ticks will benefit from E (probably only the first 2, E has better range than ignite). It's also less of a nerf for those of you building BC first, since you get less bonus AD, making your base damage (which is enhanced by your E and hence "buffed") a bigger part of your combo. You'll still deal less damage than a BT first Talon, but compared to pre-nerf you'll do a higher % of your previous damage.
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On January 16 2013 15:12 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 15:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
BTW Neo- can we count on you to at least inquire into any Riot buddies you may have whether it would be possible to keep MMR visible in some way?
An SC2 forum most of all can recognize how detrimental this can be. It's probably too far along the process to have Riot reconsider the decision.
I dont mean fully in client, as that IS probably too far along.
I was thinking more along the lines of having it still be visible online on the Riot page: available for those who wish to see it and ignorable for those who dont.
To be fair I dont know if this would still be possible (i.e if the new coding makes this infeasible) but if it is feasible, they should at least consider it.
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from the patch notes:
+ Show Spoiler +Added Darius Bot to Co-op vs. AI on all maps.
well, fuck
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WOW they desmantled Riven, my favorite champion. Did people really think she needed the nerf? At least they nerfed a bunch of the champions I hate I guess.
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wota change will be nice, very nice smooth build change now.
jungle change looks amazing.
Riven nerfs are completely unnecessary, so dumb.
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So I never play mid, and I decided to play TF. Facing a Nunu mid and currently getting my ass completely demolished.
Out sustains me, out harasses me, and can kill me with about 4 Ice blasts.
WHAT DO I DO TL??
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On January 16 2013 15:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
BTW Neo- can we count on you to at least inquire into any Riot buddies you may have whether it would be possible to keep MMR visible in some way?
An SC2 forum most of all can recognize how detrimental this can be.
I think this is the thing that riot needs to realize. I have been wishing for blizzard to make MMR visible ofr 2 years and now LOL will do it too.
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Poor talon, usefull after a year if collecting dust and gets nerfed hard :/
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On January 16 2013 15:32 Mondeezy wrote:
So I never play mid, and I decided to play TF. Facing a Nunu mid and currently getting my ass completely demolished.
Out sustains me, out harasses me, and can kill me with about 4 Ice blasts.
WHAT DO I DO TL??
Clear the waves, gank all the things?
Although at that point sounds like you just pretty dead. It silly to go into lane expecting to outharrass Nunu, just outfarm him cuz TF way better farmer, and have better map presence.
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On January 16 2013 15:35 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 15:32 Mondeezy wrote:
So I never play mid, and I decided to play TF. Facing a Nunu mid and currently getting my ass completely demolished.
Out sustains me, out harasses me, and can kill me with about 4 Ice blasts.
WHAT DO I DO TL?? Clear the waves, gank all the things? Although at that point sounds like you just pretty dead. It silly to go into lane expecting to outharrass Nunu, just outfarm him cuz TF way better farmer, and have better map presence.
Yeah I'm pretty much screwed at this point. The original plan was to farm, but I got ganked and died (Nunu got the kill). Rest of lane phase was pretty much him sitting in my face chucking snowballs for 1/5 of my health and consuming anytime he got to 60%. I just have no idea how to out-lane him in general, free harass/heal and can escape ganks relatively well?
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League is really going to implement the shitty SC2 Ladder that everyone hates? OK.
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Diana buffs, I am so very happy. 
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Kage's being built into WotA seems to encourage supports building it? The only supports I could see building it to support themselves are fiddle, zyra, lux. Although it will still be useful if the team is mostly AP, but it's still the era of AD caster items so I probably wouldn't build it unless it benefited my support champ too.
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On January 16 2013 15:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
League is really going to implement the shitty SC2 Ladder that everyone hates? OK.
im waiting for masters and grandmasters, any day now
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So wait, is this going to hurt jungle riven quite a bit? The regen for sure will be hard to deal with, but having the bigger monsters have more health seems pretty big against her. It's pretty early, but I felt like I was just getting the hang of jungling (finding out when to gank/farm, good communication, etc) and wanted to expand my pool. I had played Riven before and she was fun, but this seems like it's not going to end well for her.
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