• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:07
CEST 19:07
KST 02:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview11TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview What kind of tool would you be interested in? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Crypto Recovery Service 2026 Called Mighty Hacker 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BW animated web series: seeking contributors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5965 users

[Patch 1.0.0.154: Preseason Balance Update 2] GD - Page 6

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 220 Next
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
January 16 2013 04:54 GMT
#101
I'm liking these changes with regards to jungle AD malzahar - now you can buy Spirit of the Elder Lizard, Black Cleaver, and one other CDR item (Banner of Command or Shurelya's I'm thinking) to have enough CDR to get 3 voidlings out. The manamune buff, while small, might be something to try out to deal with Malz's mana issues.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 16 2013 04:58 GMT
#102
Interesting patch, hopefully the riven changes slow down her snowballing top.

I pick Kayle into riven (good choice), so opponent jungle Vi camps me for the first few levels, giving riven 1/2 a level, 10-15 cs lead. She gets her ult first and kills me. I return to lane, she kills me again even though I use my ult. She just snowballed from there. Will have to test it out, but hopefully the ult CD increase prevents this.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 16 2013 05:03 GMT
#103
So the Amumu ult change did not go through? Or was it really just a rewording?
Freeeeeeedom
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
January 16 2013 05:05 GMT
#104
as an ad carry i totally disapprove this patch....Ez nerf again, LW cost more.REAL????????
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 16 2013 05:10 GMT
#105
On January 16 2013 14:03 cLutZ wrote:
So the Amumu ult change did not go through? Or was it really just a rewording?

They aren't going through with the change, it was reverted on the last PBE patch.

On January 16 2013 13:29 samthesaluki wrote:
since pfe ezreal was released how many nerfs have they done to him shesh considering he was considered trash before (obv he wasnt) been so many nerfs

He's still played a ton, super safe in almost any situation. I think he needed some sort of nerf, I don't know if this was the right one, but he needed something.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
January 16 2013 05:13 GMT
#106
^ that arcane shift nerf like corki's W is needed,15s CD with my Q spamming all day makes it look like it doesnt have CD at all.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 16 2013 05:16 GMT
#107
On January 16 2013 14:05 justiceknight wrote:
as an ad carry i totally disapprove this patch....Ez nerf again, LW cost more.REAL????????


I don't find LW to be quite as important anymore since people are building a lot more health than armor not to mention the fact that it's fairly likely that at least one person on your team will build a BC.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 16 2013 05:19 GMT
#108
On January 16 2013 13:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 13:41 Roffles wrote:
On January 16 2013 13:25 Perplex wrote:
at 2:30 in the patch video smashgizmo dies on cho gath XD

Noob died many times in the patch video.


Long live Smash.


Ya that's the problem.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 16 2013 05:19 GMT
#109
On January 16 2013 13:46 Requizen wrote:
I literally have 100% win rate on Alacrity Swiftness boots over the 7 games where they've been viable (not wanting Sorc or Zerkers, mainly). ALWAYS FAST.


Did they change something recently, or do you mean in season 3 in general?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 16 2013 05:24 GMT
#110
Oh man, attaching cones is great. Will stop not casting by mistake now and should be a bit easier to understand for my newbie friends. Detached cones were so weird conceptually.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
January 16 2013 05:25 GMT
#111
On January 16 2013 11:54 Dusty wrote:
They're fixing the cones on annie/morde/cho/riven

best change of this patch IMO



Counterpoint: pentakills.

+ Show Spoiler +
You now have a few extra seconds to finish a kill streak if the target is the last member of the team alive

Stay positive!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 05:35:48
January 16 2013 05:35 GMT
#112
On January 16 2013 14:25 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:54 Dusty wrote:
They're fixing the cones on annie/morde/cho/riven

best change of this patch IMO



Counterpoint: pentakills.

+ Show Spoiler +
You now have a few extra seconds to finish a kill streak if the target is the last member of the team alive


Still, quadrakills are pretty rare and all this is going to do is add a few seconds onto a chase, not going to make them that much easier lol
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 16 2013 05:42 GMT
#113
On January 16 2013 14:25 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 11:54 Dusty wrote:
They're fixing the cones on annie/morde/cho/riven

best change of this patch IMO



Counterpoint: pentakills.

+ Show Spoiler +
You now have a few extra seconds to finish a kill streak if the target is the last member of the team alive


Riot listens to pros. This was probably Phantomlord's request.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Anxiety
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States650 Posts
January 16 2013 05:49 GMT
#114
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked

They basically are changing the ladder system to the Sc2 System, hidden MMR/Elo and all, but with no tier loss. I am personally not a fan of the changes, seems to produce the result of "How fucking far am I from X now" that I had in Sc2.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
January 16 2013 05:50 GMT
#115
Turret ai change will be interesting, as it makes it way easier to cs under tower, an probably makes minions better at killing towers?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 16 2013 05:50 GMT
#116
Vi really needed those buffs. Now she might actually feel somewhat smooth to play as. Especially the E changes are amazing.

Khazix nerfs not enough at all, who cared about isolated Q damage anyway? The hell...

No Zed nerfs but Talon nerfed to ground makes no sense either.

I really don't think Riven was strong enough to warrant those nerfs. There are many more problematic champions.

Syndra buffs were all right, could still use a bit more.

They finally Fixed Kassadin force pulse "sometimes" hitting the wrong way. I dropped Kassadin in early 2010 because his Force Pulse hit the opposite way every single time after ult, not "sometimes".
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 05:54:46
January 16 2013 05:52 GMT
#117
On January 16 2013 14:49 Anxiety wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked

They basically are changing the ladder system to the Sc2 System, hidden MMR/Elo and all, but with no tier loss. I am personally not a fan of the changes, seems to produce the result of "How fucking far am I from X now" that I had in Sc2.

You are not alone, almost everyone here hates it, a lot of it was discussed in the last GD thread that's locked now.
On January 16 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote:
Vi really needed those buffs. Now she might actually feel somewhat smooth to play as. Especially the E changes are amazing.

Khazix nerfs not enough at all, who cared about isolated Q damage anyway? The hell...

No Zed nerfs but Talon nerfed to ground makes no sense either.

I really don't think Riven was strong enough to warrant those nerfs. There are many more problematic champions.

Syndra buffs were all right, could still use a bit more.

They finally Fixed Kassadin force pulse "sometimes" hitting the wrong way. I dropped Kassadin in early 2010 because his Force Pulse hit the opposite way every single time after ult, not "sometimes".

Someone did the math, by fixing his damage amplification it's a nerf to his early/mid game, but his late game burst combo actually does more damage.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Anxiety
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States650 Posts
January 16 2013 05:54 GMT
#118
On January 16 2013 14:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 14:49 Anxiety wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked

They basically are changing the ladder system to the Sc2 System, hidden MMR/Elo and all, but with no tier loss. I am personally not a fan of the changes, seems to produce the result of "How fucking far am I from X now" that I had in Sc2.

You are not alone, almost everyone here hates it, a lot of it was discussed in the last GD thread that's locked now.


My bad, I never checked the previous GD since I literally just saw it, and checking the time of the post release was overridden by dislike for the system.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
January 16 2013 05:54 GMT
#119
No Elise nerfs Can still abuse her while she's awesome.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 16 2013 05:55 GMT
#120
On January 16 2013 14:54 Anxiety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 14:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 16 2013 14:49 Anxiety wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked

They basically are changing the ladder system to the Sc2 System, hidden MMR/Elo and all, but with no tier loss. I am personally not a fan of the changes, seems to produce the result of "How fucking far am I from X now" that I had in Sc2.

You are not alone, almost everyone here hates it, a lot of it was discussed in the last GD thread that's locked now.


My bad, I never checked the previous GD since I literally just saw it, and checking the time of the post release was overridden by dislike for the system.

No worries, just letting you know in case you wanted to check it out and see the commiseration of almost everyone else lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 220 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 254
trigger 110
ProTech89
BRAT_OK 69
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3774
Shuttle 978
Mini 807
EffOrt 615
ggaemo 168
Soulkey 151
Rush 93
actioN 74
hero 51
ToSsGirL 49
[ Show more ]
Hyun 49
Pusan 38
sorry 28
Rock 26
GoRush 22
IntoTheRainbow 15
soO 11
Hm[arnc] 11
SilentControl 9
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Dota 2
Gorgc11605
qojqva3104
Fuzer 167
League of Legends
Reynor70
Counter-Strike
fl0m5877
zeus294
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0177
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu32
Other Games
gofns22598
tarik_tv8244
FrodaN814
B2W.Neo523
byalli371
DeMusliM365
Hui .150
RotterdaM118
crisheroes105
ArmadaUGS104
Mew2King91
QueenE80
Trikslyr44
CosmosSc2 10
MindelVK8
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV228
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 20
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota240
League of Legends
• Jankos1854
• TFBlade861
Other Games
• WagamamaTV730
• Shiphtur179
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 53m
Replay Cast
15h 53m
Kung Fu Cup
17h 53m
Maestros of the Game
21h 53m
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
OSC
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.