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On January 16 2013 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:45 Slusher wrote:On January 16 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth. Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range. 6 mana more per q, with how much you cast it in early lane phase isn't nothing. thats like, the entire point of my post you glossed over, remains to be seen, but if it's not that bad, then it's worth, still not sure what you are contesting. The point is that she is so different from Kassadin that it's not really comparable.
it is possible that getting to 6 with eve will become a farm sacrifice fest on the level of Kassadin if the q mana ends up being substantial, I don't keep a tally on how many times I cast q when I lane but if it ends up being really hard on the mana pool (which is possible) then it can be really tough considering you have very little potential to out trade pre 6, it's the same basic concept it's not like I'm saying she has a similar kit or anything holy shit.
all in all unless this is the case (Which I'm not even saying it is) I still think Eve is a VERY strong champion after the patch, that all I'm saying, but thats just like, one mans opinion, man.
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lol was in the noob chat on league client and there was a guy called hotshotgg there and ofc everyone thought it was fake but i looked up his profile and it was the real one, then hotshot got mad at them
HotshotGG (3:49): RETARDS
RiotChatBot (3:49): HotshotGG, please watch your behavior.
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With the Ez nerfs what do I do about Nunu Cait lanes?
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On January 16 2013 12:55 samthesaluki wrote:
lol was in the noob chat on league client and there was a guy called hotshotgg there and ofc everyone thought it was fake but i looked up his profile and it was the real one, then hotshot got mad at them
HotshotGG (3:49): RETARDS
RiotChatBot (3:49): HotshotGG, please watch your behavior.
That doesn't make sense, was he just looking to vent after the Pulse scrim?
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What is the new Ranked stuff?
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On January 16 2013 12:52 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack Can I finally play udyr again?! Tankiness was never Udyrs prob... Why not? The only defensive steroid he has had for the past few months was his spammable shield, which while good, is nowhere near as good as some of the stuff other champions have later on in the game. Making him more tanky doesn't help him with being kited, but it helps him do what Udyr do best; punch people.
Unfortunately he has to get into melee range to punch people? Which is like... impossible to do?
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On January 16 2013 12:54 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:On January 16 2013 12:45 Slusher wrote:On January 16 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth. Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range. 6 mana more per q, with how much you cast it in early lane phase isn't nothing. thats like, the entire point of my post you glossed over, remains to be seen, but if it's not that bad, then it's worth, still not sure what you are contesting. The point is that she is so different from Kassadin that it's not really comparable. it is possible that getting to 6 with eve will become a farm sacrifice fest on the level of Kassadin if the q mana ends up being substantial, I don't keep a tally on how many times I cast q when I lane but if it ends up being really hard on the mana pool (which is possible) then it can be really tough considering you have very little potential to out trade pre 6, it's the same basic concept it's not like I'm saying she has a similar kit or anything holy shit. all in all unless this is the case (Which I'm not even saying it is) I still think Eve is a VERY strong champion after the patch, that all I'm saying, but thats just like, one mans opinion, man.
Perhaps, but the range nerf and the max -> current health nerf hurts her a lot.
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On January 16 2013 12:52 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack Can I finally play udyr again?! Tankiness was never Udyrs prob... Why not? The only defensive steroid he has had for the past few months was his spammable shield, which while good, is nowhere near as good as some of the stuff other champions have later on in the game. Making him more tanky doesn't help him with being kited, but it helps him do what Udyr do best; punch people.
He can't punch people while he's slowed and getting kitted tho.
Buffing udyr is always so incredible awkward because his skills are actually incredibly strong.He doesn't build any damage items apart from maybe a triforce if you're rich and only tanky/aura/support items.Late game he never runs into the problem of not being tanky enough he just gets kitted around a lot and it makes it really difficult for your team if they don't have someone with a proper engage.
Like yea sure the stats are going to help,but he's still going to get kited to death,which is fine if that's how riot want's him to be but it's just not really fun to play him that much at that stage in the game.
Imo what they should do is a quality of life change where the activation and/or the 3rd phoenix proc give 50-75 range to his attack(that's about how much riven gets from her ult to his attack).You could make a pretty cool phoenix animation as well for it so that it's more obvious for you and the other guy when you get a phoenix proc,which isn't really the case now.Either that or give him tenacity on his passive instead of this.
He needs a way to cope better with slows,either a slight range buff like that or more tenacity imo.
It's really dodgy to buff him tbh and really easy to do it in the wrong area as he is kinda fine now as well.
There's also another thing you could do I guess,make a blink dagger for LoL
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IBG Udyr with defensive tree and swiftboots slow all day, outrun all kiting attempts =PPP
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On January 16 2013 13:00 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:54 Slusher wrote:On January 16 2013 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:On January 16 2013 12:45 Slusher wrote:On January 16 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth. Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range. 6 mana more per q, with how much you cast it in early lane phase isn't nothing. thats like, the entire point of my post you glossed over, remains to be seen, but if it's not that bad, then it's worth, still not sure what you are contesting. The point is that she is so different from Kassadin that it's not really comparable. it is possible that getting to 6 with eve will become a farm sacrifice fest on the level of Kassadin if the q mana ends up being substantial, I don't keep a tally on how many times I cast q when I lane but if it ends up being really hard on the mana pool (which is possible) then it can be really tough considering you have very little potential to out trade pre 6, it's the same basic concept it's not like I'm saying she has a similar kit or anything holy shit. all in all unless this is the case (Which I'm not even saying it is) I still think Eve is a VERY strong champion after the patch, that all I'm saying, but thats just like, one mans opinion, man. Perhaps, but the range nerf and the max -> current health nerf hurts her a lot.
I mean, she needed to be hit, not being able to ult from stealth is reasonable, if it means she'll be banned less I'm ok with it. the ult damage nerf is strong but honestly not that big of a deal what made eve annoying is dying the moment you saw her aka casting ult 1st (this might slightly nerf dfg but dfg > R >E >Q spam will still be retarded) if anything I think it might make her similar to late game veigar where you alternate use of R and DFG except in teamfights where you need the shield
to expound on my earlier point I did some maths.
assuming you level q at 1, 3, and 5 these are q casts from 100% to oom (old >>> new)
12 >> 11
14 >> 12
15 >> 12
likelyhood of still having 100% mana at 5, not high, is it unplayable hell no, but it will be harder esp vs smart players.
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On January 16 2013 13:06 beefhamburger wrote:
IBG Udyr with defensive tree and swiftboots slow all day, outrun all kiting attempts =PPP
IBG?
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Ezreal
Base attack speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.665
This kills the Ezrael.
I also find it strange that turrets now have a prioritization. It'll make last hitting under tower a lot easier and pushing a lot less rewarding.
And I think it's funny that Teemo needed an item just to counter him on TT XD. "Reveals nearby invisible traps".
On January 16 2013 13:10 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 13:06 beefhamburger wrote:
IBG Udyr with defensive tree and swiftboots slow all day, outrun all kiting attempts =PPP IBG?
Stands for Frozen fist. Maybe to slow enemies when he gets to them.
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On January 16 2013 13:10 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 13:06 beefhamburger wrote:
IBG Udyr with defensive tree and swiftboots slow all day, outrun all kiting attempts =PPP IBG?
frozen fist 'round these parts
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wow wtf is this new league system..
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He absolutely can punch people as long as his team either has some sort of an engage (not really unrealistic; there are a few good junglers who appreciate initiators from middle, support or top) OR superior poke, which again is not unrealistic because there are no junglers with poke anyway (except for Elise and Ezreal I guess, LOL). But no, he doesn't necessarily get kited to death and he doesn't become obsolete once enemy AD carry gets 2nd big item.
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On January 16 2013 13:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wow wtf is this new league system..
A new way for people to complain about Elo Hell if they can't get promoted into the next tier/division immediately. (division hell?)
I'd like to see a company try out a matchmaking system where you aren't at 50% all the time, like maybe it matches you against players who are similar in skill to you at one point in time, but doesn't constantly recalculate, instead maybe it only recalculates if your win rate goes above 70% or below 30%? I dunno, 50% makes it hard to "feel" progress in skill.
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On January 16 2013 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack Can I finally play udyr again?! Tankiness was never Udyrs prob...
Nope but now he's comparable to the other more tanky junglers like shyvanna or mundo. 12% more mr/armor is a ton.
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On January 16 2013 12:19 Cheap0 wrote:
Shyvana's quickly entering into "needs a rework" territory with all the S3 changes, and now the new patching continuing to dull whatever miniscule advantages she maintains over other junglers. Makes me sad to see my favorite jungler nerfed so hard =(.
What changed in S3 to ruin her? I haven't tested it extensively but I've had a great time running Hydra and nomming through a teamfight. She still has an insane clear time, and ganking junglers don't seem to be any more or less powerful in S3 than they were in S2.
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Wow those amumu nerfs totally unplayable champ now
/sarcasm
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I understand some of these nerfs in that they're targeted towards champions that are played too much in pro play or they're community feedback from say reddit.
I'd say Riot is doing a decent job but I'd personally hate it if some of my favorite champs got nerfed just because Riot wanted the game to be less snowbally. Glad they reverted Riven's shield ratio nerf.
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