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scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
January 16 2013 03:33 GMT
#41
i hate the nerfing of graves and ez attack speed. I hardly ever play graves anymore just because it feels so terrible in the early game. Now ez is going to feel just as bad.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
January 16 2013 03:34 GMT
#42
Wow just noticed the jungle buffs. That's gotta make junglers out there happy.
Retvrn to Forvms
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 16 2013 03:36 GMT
#43
On January 16 2013 12:33 scarper65 wrote:
i hate the nerfing of graves and ez attack speed. I hardly ever play graves anymore just because it feels so terrible in the early game. Now ez is going to feel just as bad.

Cept you can compensate with autoing the creeps just once in a while and taking care your stacks don't drop..
The nerf is completely fine this just puts him in line with other champs and makes people be more active,god forbid.
Cackle™
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2013 03:36 GMT
#44
On January 16 2013 12:32 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Personally see no reason why ez needed a nerf. If anything, all the assisin'y bullshit needs to be toned down so that other heros with less mobility can actually compete and have a way to stay alive. Maining AD has never been this utterly frustrating and unbelievably boring at times.


Ezreal definitely needs a nerf. He is way too strong in lane right now and his late game is good (not Vayne/Kog/Twitch kind of good, but he doesn't die). As soon as Ezreal gets ahead in lane he snowballs extremely hard.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2013 03:38 GMT
#45
On January 16 2013 12:34 Chrispy wrote:
Wow just noticed the jungle buffs. That's gotta make junglers out there happy.

Slowly, ever so slowly, they are moving back towards S1 jungle.

Eventually they will just admit they ruined the game for 1+ years and fully revert it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
January 16 2013 03:39 GMT
#46
•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack


Can I finally play udyr again?!
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 16 2013 03:39 GMT
#47
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth.
Carrilord has arrived.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 16 2013 03:41 GMT
#48
Watching CLG lose a scrim against Pulse. Then Hotshot turning his stream off right after is almost satisfying.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
January 16 2013 03:42 GMT
#49
On January 16 2013 12:36 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:32 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Personally see no reason why ez needed a nerf. If anything, all the assisin'y bullshit needs to be toned down so that other heros with less mobility can actually compete and have a way to stay alive. Maining AD has never been this utterly frustrating and unbelievably boring at times.


Ezreal definitely needs a nerf. He is way too strong in lane right now and his late game is good (not Vayne/Kog/Twitch kind of good, but he doesn't die). As soon as Ezreal gets ahead in lane he snowballs extremely hard.

BAT is one of the worst ways to go about nerfing though. Could've nerfed e damage and cool down could've nerfsd mana costs a bit but that's going to kill ez
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2013 03:42 GMT
#50
On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth.


Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2013 03:42 GMT
#51
On January 16 2013 12:41 Irave wrote:
Watching CLG lose a scrim against Pulse. Then Hotshot turning his stream off right after is almost satisfying.


Vi almost looks viable. hue
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2013 03:43 GMT
#52
On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack


Can I finally play udyr again?!


Tankiness was never Udyrs prob...
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deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
January 16 2013 03:43 GMT
#53
nerfed talon's lategame combo by about 120 dmg and .5 bonus ad
so sad
but if its true that his e wasnt working and they fixed it, it might cancel out.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 03:45:39
January 16 2013 03:45 GMT
#54
On January 16 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth.


Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range.


6 mana more per q, with how much you cast it in early lane phase isn't nothing. thats like, the entire point of my post you glossed over, remains to be seen, but if it's not that bad, then it's worth, still not sure what you are contesting.
Carrilord has arrived.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
January 16 2013 03:48 GMT
#55
I'm pretty sure Vi is a good champion she just takes some time to figure out.
Retvrn to Forvms
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 03:49:19
January 16 2013 03:49 GMT
#56
On January 16 2013 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:
•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack


Can I finally play udyr again?!


Tankiness was never Udyrs prob...

Well, it does help Tigerdyr. Like a lot. Specially with the health movin around on minions.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2013 03:49 GMT
#57
On January 16 2013 12:45 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 16 2013 12:39 Slusher wrote:
Eve still looks playable to me, hard to say lvl1 e base damage has not changed. hard to say until I play it, then mana costs on q for pre 6 might make her even worse than kass 1-5 but you could already zone her with the right champion and she'd go 100-0 someone with boots2 @6 so I feel like if this makes her less banned it will be worth.


Uh Eve can last hit with her Q, which still costs a minimal amount of mana, has low cooldown, and reasonable range.


6 mana more per q, with how much you cast it in early lane phase isn't nothing. thats like, the entire point of my post you glossed over, remains to be seen, but if it's not that bad, then it's worth, still not sure what you are contesting.


The point is that she is so different from Kassadin that it's not really comparable.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 03:52:33
January 16 2013 03:49 GMT
#58
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 16 2013 03:52 GMT
#59
On January 16 2013 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 12:39 Zooper31 wrote:
•Monkey's Agility ◦Now additionally increases Udyr's armor and magic resist by 4% per stack


Can I finally play udyr again?!


Tankiness was never Udyrs prob...

Why not? The only defensive steroid he has had for the past few months was his spammable shield, which while good, is nowhere near as good as some of the stuff other champions have later on in the game. Making him more tanky doesn't help him with being kited, but it helps him do what Udyr do best; punch people.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
January 16 2013 03:52 GMT
#60
Muting a player will now mute that player's emote sounds


The biggest nerf to Singed/Lux/Lulu/Nunu Bot I've ever seen.
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