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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 21 2013 01:55 GMT
#1361
On January 21 2013 10:15 kongoline wrote:
"Plate of the Warmage

+30 Armor +25 Ability Power

UNIQUE Passive: Killing a unit grants 0.5 bonus Armor and Ability Power. This bonus stacks up to 30 times."

rofl rip garen,riven,renek top


Imagine Mord with this oh god
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 21 2013 01:59 GMT
#1362
On January 21 2013 10:52 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 10:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:23 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/16xpd4/armor_shred_azubu_frost_vs_gambit_example/c80d4qz

Is this guys math legit? It seems to be that a void staff doesn't fractionaly less damage then a hat now on 90 and lower mr champs. Having sorcs magpen runes and guise drops that number signifigantly. A void also scales better with ap and against people building more mr.

Does this mean that we should be void staff rushing from nw on?


With magic pen being better overall(flat and %) I think its best to use mpen reds/quints and rush mpen items like sorc shoes and/or haunting guise into cap/void.

yeah but this math says you should be going void definitly first and then have sorc guise. warmogs I guess on anyone who isn't zerath and then a hat.

and yeah Steel legion definitely looks like a reference artistically at least to space marines.

You said the breakeven is 90 mr right? Most champs don't build that much MR until after finishing a big health item and armor item. Squishies would still be worse than DCap no? Also which champion was he calculating for and did he factor in cost?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
January 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#1363
On January 21 2013 10:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 10:52 Sermokala wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:23 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/16xpd4/armor_shred_azubu_frost_vs_gambit_example/c80d4qz

Is this guys math legit? It seems to be that a void staff doesn't fractionaly less damage then a hat now on 90 and lower mr champs. Having sorcs magpen runes and guise drops that number signifigantly. A void also scales better with ap and against people building more mr.

Does this mean that we should be void staff rushing from nw on?


With magic pen being better overall(flat and %) I think its best to use mpen reds/quints and rush mpen items like sorc shoes and/or haunting guise into cap/void.

yeah but this math says you should be going void definitly first and then have sorc guise. warmogs I guess on anyone who isn't zerath and then a hat.

and yeah Steel legion definitely looks like a reference artistically at least to space marines.

You said the breakeven is 90 mr right? Most champs don't build that much MR until after finishing a big health item and armor item. Squishies would still be worse than DCap no? Also which champion was he calculating for and did he factor in cost?

the breakeven is still 90 but a void is only 2/3rd the price of a deathcap. If you look at the link at the top of this quote train you'll see it. a void benefits more from more ap and more flat pen as well like in sorc and guise.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 02:10:38
January 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#1364
On January 21 2013 10:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 10:52 Sermokala wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:23 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/16xpd4/armor_shred_azubu_frost_vs_gambit_example/c80d4qz

Is this guys math legit? It seems to be that a void staff doesn't fractionaly less damage then a hat now on 90 and lower mr champs. Having sorcs magpen runes and guise drops that number signifigantly. A void also scales better with ap and against people building more mr.

Does this mean that we should be void staff rushing from nw on?


With magic pen being better overall(flat and %) I think its best to use mpen reds/quints and rush mpen items like sorc shoes and/or haunting guise into cap/void.

yeah but this math says you should be going void definitly first and then have sorc guise. warmogs I guess on anyone who isn't zerath and then a hat.

and yeah Steel legion definitely looks like a reference artistically at least to space marines.

You said the breakeven is 90 mr right? Most champs don't build that much MR until after finishing a big health item and armor item. Squishies would still be worse than DCap no? Also which champion was he calculating for and did he factor in cost?

Assuming the enemy team is buying Bulwark in a timely manner and the enemy champs are running some form of MR blues (flat or scaling), most champs actually run quite close to 90 MR without any specific MR items.

The only champs that stay below 90 MR with Bulwark for any significant length of time are the AD carry and support (since very frequently APs tend to grab an early MR item like Chalice), and even then, they're going to be at 73+ MR from base+Bulwark+Runes.
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 21 2013 02:22 GMT
#1365
Nintendude is retarded. Good on you navi
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 21 2013 02:22 GMT
#1366
On January 20 2013 17:28 LaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 14:22 gtrsrs wrote:
On January 20 2013 14:17 Sufficiency wrote:
How did scarra lose lane as Swain vs Morde? =\


pr0lly's a lot better than scarra


You've been sufficiently cocky/douchey about your team to the point I'm glad that they didn't make it to S3 despite the TL ties. Hue.


You're not the only one who was happy about it ^_^
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 21 2013 02:26 GMT
#1367
On January 21 2013 11:22 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 17:28 LaM wrote:
On January 20 2013 14:22 gtrsrs wrote:
On January 20 2013 14:17 Sufficiency wrote:
How did scarra lose lane as Swain vs Morde? =\


pr0lly's a lot better than scarra


You've been sufficiently cocky/douchey about your team to the point I'm glad that they didn't make it to S3 despite the TL ties. Hue.


You're not the only one who was happy about it ^_^

pretty much.

Hope they nerf blitz' damage on hisQ or something instead of that mana nerf, like someone said he's more of a dota hero with enough mana to use 1 skill for like, ever.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 21 2013 02:30 GMT
#1368
A damage nerf would be meaningless. You have to attack the range on Q and the movement speed on W.
twitch.tv/cratonz
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 21 2013 02:32 GMT
#1369
On January 21 2013 11:30 Craton wrote:
A damage nerf would be meaningless. You have to attack the range on Q and the movement speed on W.

Yeah those might really be the best nerfs, he has a pretty problematic kit to try to balance. Even with a movespeed nerf on W he's still gonna be able to run faster than you and hit you with E tho
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 21 2013 02:34 GMT
#1370
On January 21 2013 11:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 10:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:52 Sermokala wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
On January 21 2013 10:23 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/16xpd4/armor_shred_azubu_frost_vs_gambit_example/c80d4qz

Is this guys math legit? It seems to be that a void staff doesn't fractionaly less damage then a hat now on 90 and lower mr champs. Having sorcs magpen runes and guise drops that number signifigantly. A void also scales better with ap and against people building more mr.

Does this mean that we should be void staff rushing from nw on?


With magic pen being better overall(flat and %) I think its best to use mpen reds/quints and rush mpen items like sorc shoes and/or haunting guise into cap/void.

yeah but this math says you should be going void definitly first and then have sorc guise. warmogs I guess on anyone who isn't zerath and then a hat.

and yeah Steel legion definitely looks like a reference artistically at least to space marines.

You said the breakeven is 90 mr right? Most champs don't build that much MR until after finishing a big health item and armor item. Squishies would still be worse than DCap no? Also which champion was he calculating for and did he factor in cost?

Assuming the enemy team is buying Bulwark in a timely manner and the enemy champs are running some form of MR blues (flat or scaling), most champs actually run quite close to 90 MR without any specific MR items.

The only champs that stay below 90 MR with Bulwark for any significant length of time are the AD carry and support (since very frequently APs tend to grab an early MR item like Chalice), and even then, they're going to be at 73+ MR from base+Bulwark+Runes.

I think a lot of people run flat mr runes. Did you use scaling?
Also that's at level 18. Certainly not at the level 11 the guy on reddit is talking about.

People aren't building bulwark that quickly in my games. I don't think you even like bulwark given how much you specifically seem to prefer locket. I'd say there are plenty of opportunities for mr to be well below 50.

Void may be better at dealing with high mr champs(Multiplicative scaling ftw) which is fine. DCap is still better at clearing low MR minions.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
January 21 2013 02:39 GMT
#1371
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?
LOUD NOISES!!!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 21 2013 02:39 GMT
#1372
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?

yes
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 02:41:58
January 21 2013 02:41 GMT
#1373
2k mana
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 21 2013 02:46 GMT
#1374
I feel like these Elise nerfs kind of kills support Elise, the low mana cost harass kind of define her in lane.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 03:01:22
January 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#1375
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?

Those two items each give +1000 mana as flat stats, not as a unique passive. This type of question is the very reason the introduced unique passive names -- if the items share the name then you can only have one of it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#1376
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?


Who would want that besides...Ryze?
Freeeeeeedom
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 03:04:26
January 21 2013 03:04 GMT
#1377
On January 21 2013 12:00 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?


Who would want that besides...Ryze?


I'd imagine it could be done on Swain or Anivia, practical eh, amusing, definitely.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 21 2013 03:10 GMT
#1378
On January 21 2013 12:00 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?


Who would want that besides...Ryze?

I love doing this on Ryze, having both the shield active and the bonus damage passive are insane.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 21 2013 03:19 GMT
#1379
On January 21 2013 12:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 12:00 cLutZ wrote:
On January 21 2013 11:39 Lorken wrote:
Question: If I get both Muramana and Sephra's embrace will I have 2k mana from that?


Who would want that besides...Ryze?

I love doing this on Ryze, having both the shield active and the bonus damage passive are insane.


At what point in time is that ready? 40 mins? Just asking because if I go Tear>RoA>Sorcs>Mura/AA the tear isn't full by that point. I actually would try it out, but I feel like by that point I'd rather just have 1 of the 2 + Bv/FH/Void. Or is Muramana more + damage than void?
Freeeeeeedom
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
January 21 2013 03:24 GMT
#1380
Riot just going back and forth with sweeping nerfs and buffs.

What's the point of nerfing Ezreal AS by 6% for the entire game, and then within one week coming up with a new batch of hefty nerfs. You didn't even give yourself a chance to analyze the effect of the first nerf. Just nerf him all at once if you aren't going to see if the first nerf did anything.

Also, more indirect nerfs to AD carries with the advent of armor/AP items. Sure its a nerf to AD casters, but they aren't the only attack damage champs in the game. Same with the BC and BT nerfs. AD getting hit just as hard as AD casters.
More harping on AD nerfs. Ezreal and Cait were the only really first pickable ADs. Now you can't FP either (bloodboil deserved nerf, and multiple large Ezreal nerfs). Patch after patch there are direct and indirect nerfs to AD carries, items, and counters.

Shaco gets absolutely destroyed. Randomly. A champion already only viable in solo q is now unviable in solo q, and recieves no recompense to make him better in competitive play. Even more overboard than the LS nerfs. Apparently you are not allowed to carry out of the jungle. Support jungler or GTFO.

Man. I feel like these changes are way too big, and way too biased. Riot is just flipping the meta back and forth every 2 weeks, destroying a champ or two every week as they go.

I know its preseason blah blah, but give me a fucking break. At this point it will be a year before the game is remotely balanced.
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