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On January 21 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:38 LaM wrote:On January 21 2013 12:34 Simberto wrote:
True, i can't see how shaco being trash is a bad thing. Similar to eve, if noone plays her, that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Huehue. Why spend 50 more gold, pick decent counters, or communicate with your team. Just nerf unique, high skill cap champs into oblivion. Eve has an extraordinarily low skillcap. You need a lot more than 50g in extra wards to deal with a Shaco.
Eh, shaco is not bad.
Also I wouldn't consider him high skillcap (unless plaving boxes the right way is high skill). He is fun to play, and really you don't need pink wards against him, just smart warding. Plus his lategame is zzz.
Basically, Shaco is at the kinda point that other AD assassins like Khazix, Panth, etc should be at: Needs a kill+ pre-lvl 6 to be relevant. OR They could make some of the AD Assassins into lategame oriented champs that get stomped hard early in certain matchups (like Kassadin or Poopy).
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Phreak no longer dating Mia Rose.
DRAMA CONTINUES.
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I really enjoy the proposed sighstone change. Makes good sense, helpful plus instead of sitting waiting for 700g. LOL Phreak was dating Mia Rose.
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On January 21 2013 13:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Phreak no longer dating Mia Rose.
DRAMA CONTINUES.
I'm so excited for the fallout from this that may or may not happen
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On January 21 2013 13:20 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Phreak no longer dating Mia Rose.
DRAMA CONTINUES. I'm so excited for the fallout from this that may or may not happen
This just in, Phreak dumping own3d in less than 2 minutes!
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I'm happy with pretty much all of the changes on the PBE.
Kat changes I don't understand why.
Shaco can go die in a fire for all I care, he should be nerfed to never pick status. This is because he is one of the most annoying and aggravating champions to play against, and also with, as the shaco on your team NEEDS to get fed or get lanes fed or else you will just lose lategame... The entire game shouldn't be around 1 player doing well/badly to that extent.
Ap changes are nice, helps burst casters and ap carries more then tanky aps, ap/armor item is interesting, would be amazing for supports but the stacking mechanism (might lead to support morg/zyra getting early cs?)
Ez will still be a strong pick, he is simply untouchable by alot of bruisers due to his e having such a low cd and the fact that it always works, and him getting 50% as for free.
Elise is very very strong in lane and small skirmishes, worse in teamfights, don't know enough to say if nerf was needed.
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On January 21 2013 13:34 dae wrote:
I'm happy with pretty much all of the changes on the PBE.
Kat changes I don't understand why.
Shaco can go die in a fire for all I care, he should be nerfed to never pick status. This is because he is one of the most annoying and aggravating champions to play against, and also with, as the shaco on your team NEEDS to get fed or get lanes fed or else you will just lose lategame... The entire game shouldn't be around 1 player doing well/badly to that extent.
Ap changes are nice, helps burst casters and ap carries more then tanky aps, ap/armor item is interesting, would be amazing for supports but the stacking mechanism (might lead to support morg/zyra getting early cs?)
Ez will still be a strong pick, he is simply untouchable by alot of bruisers due to his e having such a low cd and the fact that it always works, and him getting 50% as for free.
Elise is very very strong in lane and small skirmishes, worse in teamfights, don't know enough to say if nerf was needed.
Kat changes make sense considering the tank-Kat build that Voyboy has popularized. Now that her based damage has been nerfed and the AP ratio on her ult has been raised there's more incentive to build AP instead of defenses.
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On January 21 2013 13:03 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Can someone post the buffs you guys are talking about, I don't know where they're at yet http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22892-unoffical-pbe-patch-notes-for-1-20-2013-loads-ofObviously all of this wont go through, but the fact taht some of these ideas are floated at all is disheartening. I almost wonder if they add on a bunch they know they wont do so the nerfs they do hand down aren't frowned upon as heavily because it's only a fraction of the original batch proposed.
Elise getting nerfed hard ><.
The new skins are sick!!! Thanks for sharing this good sir.
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what's with the shitty little hat on jade fang cass
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On January 21 2013 13:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Phreak no longer dating Mia Rose.
DRAMA CONTINUES.
What is the drama exactly?
Did she deal tons of damage to Phreak's feelings?
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On January 21 2013 13:43 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:03 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On January 21 2013 12:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Can someone post the buffs you guys are talking about, I don't know where they're at yet http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22892-unoffical-pbe-patch-notes-for-1-20-2013-loads-ofObviously all of this wont go through, but the fact taht some of these ideas are floated at all is disheartening. I almost wonder if they add on a bunch they know they wont do so the nerfs they do hand down aren't frowned upon as heavily because it's only a fraction of the original batch proposed. Elise getting nerfed hard ><. The new skins are sick!!! Thanks for sharing this good sir.
Why doesnt' t the Zhonya's have the +D/Ap per kill if it built from the new item?
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On January 21 2013 13:40 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:34 dae wrote:
I'm happy with pretty much all of the changes on the PBE.
Kat changes I don't understand why.
Shaco can go die in a fire for all I care, he should be nerfed to never pick status. This is because he is one of the most annoying and aggravating champions to play against, and also with, as the shaco on your team NEEDS to get fed or get lanes fed or else you will just lose lategame... The entire game shouldn't be around 1 player doing well/badly to that extent.
Ap changes are nice, helps burst casters and ap carries more then tanky aps, ap/armor item is interesting, would be amazing for supports but the stacking mechanism (might lead to support morg/zyra getting early cs?)
Ez will still be a strong pick, he is simply untouchable by alot of bruisers due to his e having such a low cd and the fact that it always works, and him getting 50% as for free.
Elise is very very strong in lane and small skirmishes, worse in teamfights, don't know enough to say if nerf was needed. Kat changes make sense considering the tank-Kat build that Voyboy has popularized. Now that her based damage has been nerfed and the AP ratio on her ult has been raised there's more incentive to build AP instead of defenses.
So absurd, who says you should be forced into building AP? Such a dumb change.
"hey our players figured out how to optimally play a champion, completely different from initial design. So lets nerf the living shit out of it, so they'll play it the way we want it played"-Riot Logic.
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On January 21 2013 13:52 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:43 ReachTheSky wrote:On January 21 2013 13:03 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On January 21 2013 12:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Can someone post the buffs you guys are talking about, I don't know where they're at yet http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22892-unoffical-pbe-patch-notes-for-1-20-2013-loads-ofObviously all of this wont go through, but the fact taht some of these ideas are floated at all is disheartening. I almost wonder if they add on a bunch they know they wont do so the nerfs they do hand down aren't frowned upon as heavily because it's only a fraction of the original batch proposed. Elise getting nerfed hard ><. The new skins are sick!!! Thanks for sharing this good sir. Why doesnt' t the Zhonya's have the +D/Ap per kill if it built from the new item?
Just gets rolled into the base stats.
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On January 21 2013 13:53 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:40 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 21 2013 13:34 dae wrote:
I'm happy with pretty much all of the changes on the PBE.
Kat changes I don't understand why.
Shaco can go die in a fire for all I care, he should be nerfed to never pick status. This is because he is one of the most annoying and aggravating champions to play against, and also with, as the shaco on your team NEEDS to get fed or get lanes fed or else you will just lose lategame... The entire game shouldn't be around 1 player doing well/badly to that extent.
Ap changes are nice, helps burst casters and ap carries more then tanky aps, ap/armor item is interesting, would be amazing for supports but the stacking mechanism (might lead to support morg/zyra getting early cs?)
Ez will still be a strong pick, he is simply untouchable by alot of bruisers due to his e having such a low cd and the fact that it always works, and him getting 50% as for free.
Elise is very very strong in lane and small skirmishes, worse in teamfights, don't know enough to say if nerf was needed. Kat changes make sense considering the tank-Kat build that Voyboy has popularized. Now that her based damage has been nerfed and the AP ratio on her ult has been raised there's more incentive to build AP instead of defenses. So absurd, who says you should be forced into building AP? Such a dumb change. "hey our players figured out how to optimally play a champion, completely different from initial design. So lets nerf the living shit out of it, so they'll play it the way we want it played"-Riot Logic.
Idk, tank Kat was kind of really strong. But yeah, Riot has a history of nerfing things that don't match up with their original intentions.
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Part of me wants to start primarily jungling just to see if I can try to only carry there as XJ9 does by eating all buffs and taxing every lane. I imagine once you get the hang of that style it's very effective at carrying solo-queue.
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On January 21 2013 14:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Part of me wants to start primarily jungling just to see if I can try to only carry there as XJ9 does by eating all buffs and taxing every lane. I imagine once you get the hang of that style it's very effective at carrying solo-queue.
If you do that your team will rage and it will negatively impact their play. Some players just aren't carryable. Some things don't apply are the extremes of elo.
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Why the Ez ult nerf? It wasn't *that* good to begin with.
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On January 21 2013 14:24 IMoperator wrote:
Why the Ez ult nerf? It wasn't *that* good to begin with.
Ez ult nerf seems kind of random, I had hoped they would have waited a little bit so see how much the attack speed nerf affected his play. Ult was the least of his problems. Maybe they were trying to minimize his ability to farm waves from across the map.
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Also I've been doing the warmogs first on jungle nunu, into golem buff, and I find the straight up hp gives survivability without even needing to think about effective hp. Especially with the item changes and the armor/mr nerf, stacking cheap hp deals with everything. I don't think hp is too good, I think armor/mr are too poor.
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On January 21 2013 14:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Part of me wants to start primarily jungling just to see if I can try to only carry there as XJ9 does by eating all buffs and taxing every lane. I imagine once you get the hang of that style it's very effective at carrying solo-queue. If you do that your team will rage and it will negatively impact their play. Some players just aren't carryable. Some things don't apply are the extremes of elo.
I would make the argument that if a teamate rages at a lack of buffs then they'd probably rage over anything that doesn't go their way in the game to begin with and they'd soon be complaining about a lack of MIAs, ganks, or pulled lanes anyway (there are exceptions obviously since some champs genuinely NEED blue or else they're in a terrible spot). Your argument that "some players just aren't carryable" seems odd to make since, if they're so bad they can't be carried, I kind of doubt playing a more support-style jungler and relying on them to carry would be successful if they're that bad.
edit: About the EZ ult nerf - the thing I've always wanted is for it to actually be interruptable during its animation.
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