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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 21 2013 05:32 GMT
#1421
On January 21 2013 14:24 IMoperator wrote:
Why the Ez ult nerf? It wasn't *that* good to begin with.

I think they've nerfed just about everything else on Ez and he's still doing well in pro games.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 05:57:15
January 21 2013 05:56 GMT
#1422
On January 21 2013 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 14:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On January 21 2013 14:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Part of me wants to start primarily jungling just to see if I can try to only carry there as XJ9 does by eating all buffs and taxing every lane. I imagine once you get the hang of that style it's very effective at carrying solo-queue.

If you do that your team will rage and it will negatively impact their play. Some players just aren't carryable. Some things don't apply are the extremes of elo.


I would make the argument that if a teamate rages at a lack of buffs then they'd probably rage over anything that doesn't go their way in the game to begin with and they'd soon be complaining about a lack of MIAs, ganks, or pulled lanes anyway (there are exceptions obviously since some champs genuinely NEED blue or else they're in a terrible spot). Your argument that "some players just aren't carryable" seems odd to make since, if they're so bad they can't be carried, I kind of doubt playing a more support-style jungler and relying on them to carry would be successful if they're that bad.

edit: About the EZ ult nerf - the thing I've always wanted is for it to actually be interruptable during its animation.

Well the jungle is the easiest place to put a worthless tank in the first place. If you put one in a lane most likely they will get destroyed. Second damage scales better then defenses, so you should put the highest farm lanes as damage also. The way the game is built, 4th position should just be the tank. You can get away with things by putting a champion as the jungler that you couldn't get away with as a laner.

I'm also not talking about a player raging. The psychological effect of your opponent getting buff experience and a buff is large. It might even be larger then the actually difference in the lane.

The things that go into why you give buffs away, why certain champions are played in the jungle are much larger then just if you want to do damage and carry. It's all about min maxing (and though these things technically don't apply to solo queue, you should practice how you play).

edit: also no longer a queen, now I'm a mutalisk. My life is complete.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 21 2013 05:57 GMT
#1423
Holy shit dat AP buff. DFG and Zhonya gives 120 AP????? Yay for me.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
January 21 2013 06:20 GMT
#1424
Is there anywhere I can find aggregated tournament statistics? Stuff like Leaguepedia has stats for individual tournaments but doesn't seem to have any way of seeing stats for multiple tournaments simultaneously.
I am the Town Medic.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 21 2013 06:45 GMT
#1425
On January 21 2013 15:20 Alzadar wrote:
Is there anywhere I can find aggregated tournament statistics? Stuff like Leaguepedia has stats for individual tournaments but doesn't seem to have any way of seeing stats for multiple tournaments simultaneously.

I'm not aware of such a place. Picks vary so much on a tournament by tournament basis that looking at them at an aggregate doesn't really prove much.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 21 2013 06:57 GMT
#1426
shaco players rip, finally nunu nerf
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
January 21 2013 06:57 GMT
#1427
On January 21 2013 15:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 15:20 Alzadar wrote:
Is there anywhere I can find aggregated tournament statistics? Stuff like Leaguepedia has stats for individual tournaments but doesn't seem to have any way of seeing stats for multiple tournaments simultaneously.

I'm not aware of such a place. Picks vary so much on a tournament by tournament basis that looking at them at an aggregate doesn't really prove much.


Ideally such a system would allow you to sort the data by time period / patch. I think the information provided would be very relevant and revealing.
I am the Town Medic.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 07:16:23
January 21 2013 07:13 GMT
#1428
On January 21 2013 15:57 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 15:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 21 2013 15:20 Alzadar wrote:
Is there anywhere I can find aggregated tournament statistics? Stuff like Leaguepedia has stats for individual tournaments but doesn't seem to have any way of seeing stats for multiple tournaments simultaneously.

I'm not aware of such a place. Picks vary so much on a tournament by tournament basis that looking at them at an aggregate doesn't really prove much.


Ideally such a system would allow you to sort the data by time period / patch. I think the information provided would be very relevant and revealing.

Yeah, I guess it would be interesting to see when certain champs were dominate but overall it wouldn't be that informative.

Edit: Just because the current state of the game is so dependent on the current patch.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 21 2013 07:21 GMT
#1429
Did.... did Viktor just get a small nerf?
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 21 2013 07:45 GMT
#1430
On January 21 2013 16:21 Promises wrote:
Did.... did Viktor just get a small nerf?

it looks like a buff or simply just a tooltip change. The base shield values listed are 40% of the damage dealt, which is basically the amount the skill shields for prior to the PBE change.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
January 21 2013 08:05 GMT
#1431
On January 21 2013 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 14:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On January 21 2013 14:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Part of me wants to start primarily jungling just to see if I can try to only carry there as XJ9 does by eating all buffs and taxing every lane. I imagine once you get the hang of that style it's very effective at carrying solo-queue.

If you do that your team will rage and it will negatively impact their play. Some players just aren't carryable. Some things don't apply are the extremes of elo.


I would make the argument that if a teamate rages at a lack of buffs then they'd probably rage over anything that doesn't go their way in the game to begin with and they'd soon be complaining about a lack of MIAs, ganks, or pulled lanes anyway (there are exceptions obviously since some champs genuinely NEED blue or else they're in a terrible spot). Your argument that "some players just aren't carryable" seems odd to make since, if they're so bad they can't be carried, I kind of doubt playing a more support-style jungler and relying on them to carry would be successful if they're that bad.

edit: About the EZ ult nerf - the thing I've always wanted is for it to actually be interruptable during its animation.


When I play a blue dependent mid like Lux(pure damage build) or Anivia, if the jungler takes the 2nd blue and they can use it well (hec/mumu/olaf), I'm ok with that, but when they take every single blue it gets really annoying.

They are crippling their mid for a smallish advantage.
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
January 21 2013 08:15 GMT
#1432
Looking at the proposed Ez nerfs I have to wonder, was Ezreal really trash tier before PFE came out?

Anyway the new skins look really sweet, I really want to get the corki skin but it looks kinda like a rip off of lion dance kog....




onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 21 2013 08:24 GMT
#1433
On January 21 2013 17:15 fishinguy wrote:
Looking at the proposed Ez nerfs I have to wonder, was Ezreal really trash tier before PFE came out?

Anyway the new skins look really sweet, I really want to get the corki skin but it looks kinda like a rip off of lion dance kog....





Different champs different skins, fireworks are cool on everyone lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 21 2013 09:04 GMT
#1434
On January 21 2013 10:15 kongoline wrote:
"Plate of the Warmage

+30 Armor +25 Ability Power

UNIQUE Passive: Killing a unit grants 0.5 bonus Armor and Ability Power. This bonus stacks up to 30 times."

rofl rip garen,riven,renek top

Helloooooooooo rumble top.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 21 2013 09:05 GMT
#1435
On January 21 2013 16:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:21 Promises wrote:
Did.... did Viktor just get a small nerf?

it looks like a buff or simply just a tooltip change. The base shield values listed are 40% of the damage dealt, which is basically the amount the skill shields for prior to the PBE change.

Except now the shield you get isn't reduced by the enemy's MR?
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
January 21 2013 09:07 GMT
#1436
On January 21 2013 17:15 fishinguy wrote:
Looking at the proposed Ez nerfs I have to wonder, was Ezreal really trash tier before PFE came out?

Anyway the new skins look really sweet, I really want to get the corki skin but it looks kinda like a rip off of lion dance kog....






No, he was slept on as fuck. It's really hard to change general opinions on things because top players aren't necessarily good theorycrafters, and nobody will do something until top teams/players do it. Hell, it took a long time for people to realize how good ASpeed slows are. Also Eve was considered trash tier before Dustfox/Sorakabot made it to number 1 on EU spamming Revive/Smite eve. It took ages for Rincent masteries to be figured out and abused in S2.

Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 21 2013 09:09 GMT
#1437
On January 21 2013 18:05 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 21 2013 16:21 Promises wrote:
Did.... did Viktor just get a small nerf?

it looks like a buff or simply just a tooltip change. The base shield values listed are 40% of the damage dealt, which is basically the amount the skill shields for prior to the PBE change.

Except now the shield you get isn't reduced by the enemy's MR?


it never was
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 09:15:02
January 21 2013 09:12 GMT
#1438
Some linkage to the PBE changes? Cant even find em on sur@20...

nm found em duh :o
KCCO!
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
January 21 2013 09:14 GMT
#1439
YESSSSSSSSSS FINALLY, some lu bu jarvan! Also that panda annie spash art really nice!
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 21 2013 09:23 GMT
#1440
On January 21 2013 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
edit: About the EZ ult nerf - the thing I've always wanted is for it to actually be interruptable during its animation.


It honestly kind of blows my mind that they don't just straight up do this. Every other part of ez is not problematic except for his guaranteed-escape-no-matter-what button afaik.
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