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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 02:44:44
January 29 2013 02:36 GMT
#3461
On January 29 2013 11:18 Anakko wrote:
Nooblet here, I have a question about mikael's crucible...
At the start of season 3, i remember ppl theorycrafting saying that it was super good, but i've never seen it even once in pro play ever since, am i missing something or is it not very good after all?


It's a lategame support item.

In terms of impact, locket has a MUCH larger effect on your team, shield 2+ people for roughly 2/3 the amount each as a crucible heal assuming they're 30-50% hp. Shurelya's is something you want at least one of for teamfighting. So assuming you bought boots, shurelya's and locket and sightstone, that's like 7k tied up right there, not including probably 1k+ that you'll have spent on consumables(pots wards flask oracles etc.)

You'd have to be an insanely rich support to afford crucible, not because it's a bad item, but because the impact it has before any one champ on your team is dominating all fights is actually quite small.

EDIT: I do think it would be a pretty awesome item though if any one person on your team gets fed. Say like a 5/0 irelia early, but all other lanes lost/went even? Go for crucible and then help irelia stay alive for longer.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 29 2013 02:37 GMT
#3462
On January 29 2013 11:34 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 11:18 Anakko wrote:
Nooblet here, I have a question about mikael's crucible...
At the start of season 3, i remember ppl theorycrafting saying that it was super good, but i've never seen it even once in pro play ever since, am i missing something or is it not very good after all?


Just give it time, TL is always way ahead on these kinds of things, right guys?


I agree with giving it time. I think it's a great item but it hasn't been thoroughly explored. TROLLS should get on dis imoimo.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 02:39:47
January 29 2013 02:38 GMT
#3463
It's all about the effort to reward ratio. When you can win without putting in the extra effort to master a thing like crucible then people won't. Only until you can't then do you start to see the harder to use stuff.

EDIT: If Rhux bought one pink he would have killed Cris by now...
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 29 2013 02:42 GMT
#3464
On January 29 2013 11:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 11:34 YouGotNothin wrote:
On January 29 2013 11:18 Anakko wrote:
Nooblet here, I have a question about mikael's crucible...
At the start of season 3, i remember ppl theorycrafting saying that it was super good, but i've never seen it even once in pro play ever since, am i missing something or is it not very good after all?


Just give it time, TL is always way ahead on these kinds of things, right guys?


I agree with giving it time. I think it's a great item but it hasn't been thoroughly explored. TROLLS should get on dis imoimo.

T.R.O.L.L.S*

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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 29 2013 02:47 GMT
#3465
On January 29 2013 08:39 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 08:23 Irave wrote:
On January 29 2013 07:18 Diamond wrote:
This new matchmaking sucks. I used to get maybe one true troll a week at MAX. 11 of them since yesterday. Today it is a guy with 7 ranked wins (yet I have 125) as 3rd pick who picks Garen when there was a Darius already locked in 2nd pick (we were purple). Darius is forced to go support because this Garen "plays to win". Gives up fb in like 1 minute flat, ends up 3/6.

You're blaming the old system you realize right? The new system tries to prevent pairing up people with significant differences in wins. It spends a little bit of extra time trying to do so, then to prevent a long wait it reverts to the old.

All of these arguments, everyone playing so noticeably worse but I continue to lose elo! Blame new matchmaking cause I'm not getting any better as my opponents continue to get worse is amusing.

You try playing when the rest of your team has less than 100 wins combined and then see if you still find it amusing -.-

I enjoy getting partnered with players with a lower amount of wins. Since there is the chance that they would be better than the person sitting with 200+ wins at the same elo. Especially if I had a lower amount of wins myself. The same I wouldn't enjoy playing with low amount of win players if I was 200+. Since at this point I would be at my true elo, while they are searching for theirs still. The new matchmaking system agrees with these feelings as well.

This change would really on affect the 1000-1500 elo range. Where your most likely to encounter the smurfs that will just stomp everyone. It allows for a smoother climb, if you're better than the elo you currently sitting at.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 29 2013 02:59 GMT
#3466
On January 29 2013 11:38 Numy wrote:
It's all about the effort to reward ratio. When you can win without putting in the extra effort to master a thing like crucible then people won't. Only until you can't then do you start to see the harder to use stuff.

EDIT: If Rhux bought one pink he would have killed Cris by now...


yeah, i was surprised by the lack of a pink
also surprised by cris going SV, prob shoulda gone sunfire
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 03:37:22
January 29 2013 03:12 GMT
#3467
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3021672
Haha I love this guy.

Although the constant nonsensical nerfs keep things interesting.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
January 29 2013 03:15 GMT
#3468
What's everyone's opinion of curse jr.? Are they a strong contender for the challenger circuit?
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 29 2013 03:16 GMT
#3469
On January 29 2013 12:15 DonKey_ wrote:
What's everyone's opinion of curse jr.? Are they a strong contender for the challenger circuit?

Still needs work.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 29 2013 03:18 GMT
#3470
That's a fuckton of summoners used in that invade.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 29 2013 03:18 GMT
#3471
On January 29 2013 12:15 DonKey_ wrote:
What's everyone's opinion of curse jr.? Are they a strong contender for the challenger circuit?


they have a ton of potential, they're still super brand new though
if curse lets them move into the gaming house, they're going to have a huge advantage on all the other teams
our biggest competition most likely, this game 3 gonna be really good
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
January 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#3472
Crucible has a super slow animation (think cripple on lee sin). Its also expensive.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 03:28:49
January 29 2013 03:27 GMT
#3473
jdnoob is missing a lot of cs when pushing/holding, and he didn't take any when he stayed bot, his gold must be pretty low, esp. compared to Cho's.
Also bad idea letting Vi defend a tower, her kit sucks at that, kinda like Wukong.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 29 2013 03:36 GMT
#3474
yeah, jd's farming (in)efficiency is really apparent recently. that's #1 thing i need to work on with him
that and our bot lanes' abilities to 2v1 and cris' 1v2 lanes. pretty inconsistent

also big ups to pobelter for farming as well as he has considering he was level 1 when he lost his tower
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 03:50:55
January 29 2013 03:39 GMT
#3475
I also dislike jdnoob maxing Q last on Vi. Against the ability to disengage/kite from TF/Cait/Nunu/Nidalee, having a low cooldown on Q to be able to cast another one as soon as they use their escape abilites can be critical.

Wowow, such aggression. Intervention is up? 0K, frommaplestreet presses W as Draven and almost fountain dives to kill Cait and almost get Nid before the ult wears off.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
January 29 2013 03:52 GMT
#3476
At the moment, my team is against Curse Academy for IPL6 qualifiers (?)

My team is entirely made up of 1400s... yep... who signed me up for this?
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 29 2013 03:54 GMT
#3477
On January 29 2013 12:52 Ym1r wrote:
At the moment, my team is against Curse Academy for IPL6 qualifiers (?)

My team is entirely made up of 1400s... yep... who signed me up for this?

That would be the upset of the century.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 29 2013 03:56 GMT
#3478
I build Crucible on Sona ... though its usually after Shurelya's, Locket, and Bulwark (if no one else is getting it) in priority. I can say it has helped turn some pretty crucial teamfights.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 29 2013 04:05 GMT
#3479
On January 29 2013 12:56 zer0das wrote:
I build Crucible on Sona ... though its usually after Shurelya's, Locket, and Bulwark (if no one else is getting it) in priority. I can say it has helped turn some pretty crucial teamfights.


I see what you did there!
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
January 29 2013 04:06 GMT
#3480
Nyjacky making me want to pick up Kayle mid. But she seems to do the exact same thing as Orianna t.t
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