On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote:
OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE
OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE
haha was coming to post same thign
so awesome :D
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dogmatix
Australia339 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote: OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE haha was coming to post same thign so awesome :D | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote: OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE that was really nice even though you missed more than you could see^^ but properly executed that feature should be implemented in other streams too | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:59 ihasaKAROT wrote: Getting rickrolled.... Am I watching the correct stream? only some commercials so far... thats the right stream | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:56 DoXa wrote: that was really nice even though you missed more than you could see^^ but properly executed that feature should be implemented in other streams too They do the split screen a lot when the junglers start their routes. Its really cool to watch. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On January 24 2013 17:59 cLutZ wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 14:16 sob3k wrote: On January 24 2013 13:58 cLutZ wrote: On January 24 2013 13:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I'm pretty sure I posted in this thread why carry junglers aren't truly viable. And yes, true viability comes from actual 5's play, because the format always matches it for good reason. Professional play in all games effect the nonprofessional play. On January 24 2013 13:50 BluePanther wrote: An increase in IP for new champs? ![]() Only for the first week or two. Carry jungle is not viable, because the jungle farm isn't yet equal to, or greater than solo lane farm. Literally, only after that would a true "carry" jungle be viable. That is just how this game works. No, thats not really the issue. The amount of gold in the jungle is such that it should be more than lane if you clear it well and take a small amount your lanes (seuss has blogged on it 1 2). If the jungle had equal or greater farm than lane then junglers would have access to far more farm than a laner because they can move around and be allocated farm from lanes. The issues are the the obvious complete lack of lane support, running smite on a carry, machete being wasted cost, and the fact that all the decently fast junglers are melee and all the problems that come with melee carrying. When I say, "Carry" I mean win the game for your team without the other team sucking a lot. You can technically "carry" as a jungler atm with tons of successful ganks, etc. But, that is not a test of role being capable of "carrying". A jungler can carry, when the opposing team (in a PRO game) says to themselves, "We need to shut this jungler down or he will stomp us" or they run another jungler that "needs to be shut down." Basically, if I put Jax top, you better shut him down, several ranged AD Carries, same thing. However, if a jungler is 1 kill and 20 minions ahead, how scared are you? Is stealing his next red buff a live or die moment? If not, the jungle is not a carry role. If that is not what carrying is, you could not carry from any lane. The point is, if your team's jungler is ahead, and the rest of your team is even, its not nearly as useful as any other non-support character being ahead. TLDR: Jungle Carries are Rare because setting a jungler ahead/behind is not nearly as impactful as setting a Mid/Top/Bot ahead/behind. I personally think jungle is the easiest role to carry from because you can exert pressure on all the lanes and generally dictate when and where the teamfights happen, which is like 90% of carrying. Case in point, I'm 87% noc and 66% amu, I wreck with junglers in soloq. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:49 zulu_nation8 wrote: sorry for bragging but i just barely won a 5v4 in 35min with a tf/shen comp... in like a 2400 first pick game lol I was speccing your game, I was thinking... "this is gonna be so embarrassing if they lose" | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 24 2013 20:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 17:59 cLutZ wrote: On January 24 2013 14:16 sob3k wrote: On January 24 2013 13:58 cLutZ wrote: On January 24 2013 13:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I'm pretty sure I posted in this thread why carry junglers aren't truly viable. And yes, true viability comes from actual 5's play, because the format always matches it for good reason. Professional play in all games effect the nonprofessional play. On January 24 2013 13:50 BluePanther wrote: An increase in IP for new champs? ![]() Only for the first week or two. Carry jungle is not viable, because the jungle farm isn't yet equal to, or greater than solo lane farm. Literally, only after that would a true "carry" jungle be viable. That is just how this game works. No, thats not really the issue. The amount of gold in the jungle is such that it should be more than lane if you clear it well and take a small amount your lanes (seuss has blogged on it 1 2). If the jungle had equal or greater farm than lane then junglers would have access to far more farm than a laner because they can move around and be allocated farm from lanes. The issues are the the obvious complete lack of lane support, running smite on a carry, machete being wasted cost, and the fact that all the decently fast junglers are melee and all the problems that come with melee carrying. When I say, "Carry" I mean win the game for your team without the other team sucking a lot. You can technically "carry" as a jungler atm with tons of successful ganks, etc. But, that is not a test of role being capable of "carrying". A jungler can carry, when the opposing team (in a PRO game) says to themselves, "We need to shut this jungler down or he will stomp us" or they run another jungler that "needs to be shut down." Basically, if I put Jax top, you better shut him down, several ranged AD Carries, same thing. However, if a jungler is 1 kill and 20 minions ahead, how scared are you? Is stealing his next red buff a live or die moment? If not, the jungle is not a carry role. If that is not what carrying is, you could not carry from any lane. The point is, if your team's jungler is ahead, and the rest of your team is even, its not nearly as useful as any other non-support character being ahead. TLDR: Jungle Carries are Rare because setting a jungler ahead/behind is not nearly as impactful as setting a Mid/Top/Bot ahead/behind. I personally think jungle is the easiest role to carry from because you can exert pressure on all the lanes and generally dictate when and where the teamfights happen, which is like 90% of carrying. Case in point, I'm 87% noc and 66% amu, I wreck with junglers in soloq. It can be done but I don't know if it's the easiest, especially in the Warmogs era we are in. Nocturne may be the exception imo, but most jungles have too build tank and lack damage late game. I still get my jungle stolen non stop, and can't farm on the level of a laner. Aside for that, I can't count how many times I hand my bot lane a double kill only to 35 seconds later hear "ENEMY TEAM DOUBLE KILL!" and again 35 seconds after that. I am at VERY low elo (1200) so it's really hard to find players that scan snowball a lead correctly. I find when I play roaming mids I have an easier time carrying because A: I get a lot of farm, and B: I can still influence all the lanes. C: You are not expected to build as a tank in mid. It's why I have all but given up Maokai, he relies on your teamates having a brain, a scary risk to take in solo que. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote: CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective! it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 24 2013 20:16 BlueSpace wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote: On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote: CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective! it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get. Every game I play vs a Shaco I spend like a full minute in game explaining what Shaco will do and how he will likely gank lvl 2. Almost every we give up first blood at level 2 to Shaco. QQ | ||
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dogmatix
Australia339 Posts
On January 24 2013 20:16 BlueSpace wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote: On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote: CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective! it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get. that's because there very little middle ground for the champion, there is no such thing as a "relevent but not threatening to completely carry" shaco | ||
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Simberto
Germany11630 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:24 AsnSensation wrote: Wooow olaf nerfs, I mean "changes" to ragnarok and nerf to W are ok but changing the Q slow to fading, would probably destroy his most fun mechanic. And Team Solo Mebdi getting 3 players banned and 2 people with lifetime ban lol, IWD looks like a sheep compared to that. looks like ex clg.eu> EG is a sure thing now http://i.imgur.com/jfJ7AgU.jpg Kind of makes you wonder how these people ever manage to form a team in the first place. If you get 3 reports per game you play, i don't see you really playing well with a team. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
If you care about your Elos that much, just ban him. If it were up to me, there would be more champions like him in the game. This somewhat ties in to our previous melee ad carry discussion. Also, the thing about Shaco being either completely useless or completely carrying is just a misconception. Though he certainly tends to swing way more heavily than other champions, I've still seen Shacos who did okay and were a slight disadvantage for the next 20 minutes or Shacos who got themselves and their laners kinda fed but lost due to mistakes just like any other team. I think it's because you know that that's what people say about Shaco and you become super conscious about it. A good shaco will carry a team by himself and a bad shaco will be a big disadvantage, but there are middle grounds. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
then i played one more and top cho gave up 1st blood to xin, who started to snowball.. i counter jungled amu pretty badly and was about to kill him when mid gragus (who i had already made back once prior to lvl 3) came out of nowhere and killed me (was on 300 hp as shaco has so little health). This allowed amu to level safely as our akali mid was useless. , bot also started giving up kills quickly and they had warded their jungle and the river so i could not even get close as my newbie bot was pushing 24/7.. i ended up snowballing akali mid but we lost as the second i became visable xin or MF could instagib me ended up goin 0-6-8 I think the nurfs are harsh and make him even harder to play.. and with the brusier meta i am not sure how useful he is anyway because 75% of champs can just kill him in 1/2 a second with a burst and he has no real cc.. i think shaco is one of the hardest champions to play because past level 8 everybody can kill you.. your hoping to be fed enough by level 8 that you kill them quicker than they kill you, you are also hoping the lane phase lasts long (you own this phase) and if both of these happen you get the carry shaco.. otherwise its a harrrrrrrrrrd game. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11630 Posts
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
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