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dogmatix
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia339 Posts
January 24 2013 10:55 GMT
#2301
On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote:
OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE


haha was coming to post same thign

so awesome :D
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 24 2013 10:56 GMT
#2302
so nice. Nicegame TV they make use of the replay function, too. I think its sad that the most tournaments dont use this feature more often
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DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 24 2013 10:56 GMT
#2303
On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote:
OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE


that was really nice even though you missed more than you could see^^ but properly executed that feature should be implemented in other streams too
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 24 2013 10:59 GMT
#2304
Getting rickrolled.... Am I watching the correct stream? only some commercials so far...
KCCO!
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 24 2013 11:01 GMT
#2305
On January 24 2013 19:59 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Getting rickrolled.... Am I watching the correct stream? only some commercials so far...

thats the right stream
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UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 24 2013 11:03 GMT
#2306
On January 24 2013 19:56 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 19:55 Chexx wrote:
OMG DID YOU SEE THE SPLITSCREEN FEATURE


that was really nice even though you missed more than you could see^^ but properly executed that feature should be implemented in other streams too


They do the split screen a lot when the junglers start their routes. Its really cool to watch.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 24 2013 11:04 GMT
#2307
On January 24 2013 17:59 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 14:16 sob3k wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:58 cLutZ wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'm pretty sure I posted in this thread why carry junglers aren't truly viable. And yes, true viability comes from actual 5's play, because the format always matches it for good reason. Professional play in all games effect the nonprofessional play.

On January 24 2013 13:50 BluePanther wrote:
An increase in IP for new champs?




Only for the first week or two.


Carry jungle is not viable, because the jungle farm isn't yet equal to, or greater than solo lane farm. Literally, only after that would a true "carry" jungle be viable. That is just how this game works.


No, thats not really the issue. The amount of gold in the jungle is such that it should be more than lane if you clear it well and take a small amount your lanes (seuss has blogged on it 1 2). If the jungle had equal or greater farm than lane then junglers would have access to far more farm than a laner because they can move around and be allocated farm from lanes.

The issues are the the obvious complete lack of lane support, running smite on a carry, machete being wasted cost, and the fact that all the decently fast junglers are melee and all the problems that come with melee carrying.


When I say, "Carry" I mean win the game for your team without the other team sucking a lot. You can technically "carry" as a jungler atm with tons of successful ganks, etc. But, that is not a test of role being capable of "carrying".

A jungler can carry, when the opposing team (in a PRO game) says to themselves, "We need to shut this jungler down or he will stomp us" or they run another jungler that "needs to be shut down." Basically, if I put Jax top, you better shut him down, several ranged AD Carries, same thing. However, if a jungler is 1 kill and 20 minions ahead, how scared are you? Is stealing his next red buff a live or die moment? If not, the jungle is not a carry role.

If that is not what carrying is, you could not carry from any lane. The point is, if your team's jungler is ahead, and the rest of your team is even, its not nearly as useful as any other non-support character being ahead.


TLDR: Jungle Carries are Rare because setting a jungler ahead/behind is not nearly as impactful as setting a Mid/Top/Bot ahead/behind.

I personally think jungle is the easiest role to carry from because you can exert pressure on all the lanes and generally dictate when and where the teamfights happen, which is like 90% of carrying.

Case in point, I'm 87% noc and 66% amu, I wreck with junglers in soloq.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 11:11:23
January 24 2013 11:10 GMT
#2308
On January 24 2013 18:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sorry for bragging but i just barely won a 5v4 in 35min with a tf/shen comp... in like a 2400 first pick game


lol I was speccing your game, I was thinking... "this is gonna be so embarrassing if they lose"
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 11:13:26
January 24 2013 11:11 GMT
#2309
On January 24 2013 20:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 17:59 cLutZ wrote:
On January 24 2013 14:16 sob3k wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:58 cLutZ wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'm pretty sure I posted in this thread why carry junglers aren't truly viable. And yes, true viability comes from actual 5's play, because the format always matches it for good reason. Professional play in all games effect the nonprofessional play.

On January 24 2013 13:50 BluePanther wrote:
An increase in IP for new champs?




Only for the first week or two.


Carry jungle is not viable, because the jungle farm isn't yet equal to, or greater than solo lane farm. Literally, only after that would a true "carry" jungle be viable. That is just how this game works.


No, thats not really the issue. The amount of gold in the jungle is such that it should be more than lane if you clear it well and take a small amount your lanes (seuss has blogged on it 1 2). If the jungle had equal or greater farm than lane then junglers would have access to far more farm than a laner because they can move around and be allocated farm from lanes.

The issues are the the obvious complete lack of lane support, running smite on a carry, machete being wasted cost, and the fact that all the decently fast junglers are melee and all the problems that come with melee carrying.


When I say, "Carry" I mean win the game for your team without the other team sucking a lot. You can technically "carry" as a jungler atm with tons of successful ganks, etc. But, that is not a test of role being capable of "carrying".

A jungler can carry, when the opposing team (in a PRO game) says to themselves, "We need to shut this jungler down or he will stomp us" or they run another jungler that "needs to be shut down." Basically, if I put Jax top, you better shut him down, several ranged AD Carries, same thing. However, if a jungler is 1 kill and 20 minions ahead, how scared are you? Is stealing his next red buff a live or die moment? If not, the jungle is not a carry role.

If that is not what carrying is, you could not carry from any lane. The point is, if your team's jungler is ahead, and the rest of your team is even, its not nearly as useful as any other non-support character being ahead.


TLDR: Jungle Carries are Rare because setting a jungler ahead/behind is not nearly as impactful as setting a Mid/Top/Bot ahead/behind.

I personally think jungle is the easiest role to carry from because you can exert pressure on all the lanes and generally dictate when and where the teamfights happen, which is like 90% of carrying.

Case in point, I'm 87% noc and 66% amu, I wreck with junglers in soloq.


It can be done but I don't know if it's the easiest, especially in the Warmogs era we are in. Nocturne may be the exception imo, but most jungles have too build tank and lack damage late game. I still get my jungle stolen non stop, and can't farm on the level of a laner. Aside for that, I can't count how many times I hand my bot lane a double kill only to 35 seconds later hear "ENEMY TEAM DOUBLE KILL!" and again 35 seconds after that.

I am at VERY low elo (1200) so it's really hard to find players that scan snowball a lead correctly. I find when I play roaming mids I have an easier time carrying because A: I get a lot of farm, and B: I can still influence all the lanes. C: You are not expected to build as a tank in mid.

It's why I have all but given up Maokai, he relies on your teamates having a brain, a scary risk to take in solo que.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
January 24 2013 11:16 GMT
#2310
On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote:
CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective!

it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs

He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 24 2013 11:21 GMT
#2311
On January 24 2013 20:16 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote:
On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote:
CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective!

it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs

He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get.


Every game I play vs a Shaco I spend like a full minute in game explaining what Shaco will do and how he will likely gank lvl 2. Almost every we give up first blood at level 2 to Shaco. QQ
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
dogmatix
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia339 Posts
January 24 2013 11:21 GMT
#2312
On January 24 2013 20:16 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 19:45 OutlaW- wrote:
On January 24 2013 19:21 UnKooL wrote:
CJ insec with his infamous shaco is very effective!

it makes me so mad and sad that riot wanted to butcher shaco just because he's good at stomping pubs

He is also very good at feeding. I hate playing with or against Shaco in SoloQ. Just makes the game seem so random. Maybe people buy different shacos without knowing. There is carry shaco and feeding shaco. You never know which one you get.


that's because there very little middle ground for the champion, there is no such thing as a "relevent but not threatening to completely carry" shaco
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11813 Posts
January 24 2013 11:39 GMT
#2313
On January 24 2013 18:24 AsnSensation wrote:
Wooow olaf nerfs, I mean "changes" to ragnarok and nerf to W are ok but changing the Q slow to fading, would probably destroy his most fun mechanic.

And Team Solo Mebdi getting 3 players banned and 2 people with lifetime ban lol, IWD looks like a sheep compared to that.

looks like ex clg.eu> EG is a sure thing now
http://i.imgur.com/jfJ7AgU.jpg


Kind of makes you wonder how these people ever manage to form a team in the first place. If you get 3 reports per game you play, i don't see you really playing well with a team.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 12:02:26
January 24 2013 11:58 GMT
#2314
I always liked that there was a champion who took a lot of skill and balls to play and whose performance directly decided how the game was going to play out. It's not like many people complained, anyway. Bad Shacos simply didn't play him anymore.
If you care about your Elos that much, just ban him.
If it were up to me, there would be more champions like him in the game. This somewhat ties in to our previous melee ad carry discussion.

Also, the thing about Shaco being either completely useless or completely carrying is just a misconception. Though he certainly tends to swing way more heavily than other champions, I've still seen Shacos who did okay and were a slight disadvantage for the next 20 minutes or Shacos who got themselves and their laners kinda fed but lost due to mistakes just like any other team.
I think it's because you know that that's what people say about Shaco and you become super conscious about it. A good shaco will carry a team by himself and a bad shaco will be a big disadvantage, but there are middle grounds.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 24 2013 12:04 GMT
#2315
What I always thought was that there were few shacos who knew when to splitpush and when not. I saw so many shacos who got fed early but failed to do something lategame.
Often it was the team who did not know how to defend a 4vs5
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La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 12:18:39
January 24 2013 12:15 GMT
#2316
I have around a 60% win rate with shaco in soloq however some games you just feel helpless using him.. basically if you pick shaco you are hoping your enemy team does not react quickly to ganks.. I had 2 games last night and i went 5-0-4 and we won easily (this is ranked) as the anivia mid reacted and stunned their karth allowing anivia to snowball and bot also snowballed with my help..
then i played one more and top cho gave up 1st blood to xin, who started to snowball.. i counter jungled amu pretty badly and was about to kill him when mid gragus (who i had already made back once prior to lvl 3) came out of nowhere and killed me (was on 300 hp as shaco has so little health). This allowed amu to level safely as our akali mid was useless. , bot also started giving up kills quickly and they had warded their jungle and the river so i could not even get close as my newbie bot was pushing 24/7..
i ended up snowballing akali mid but we lost as the second i became visable xin or MF could instagib me ended up goin 0-6-8
I think the nurfs are harsh and make him even harder to play.. and with the brusier meta i am not sure how useful he is anyway because 75% of champs can just kill him in 1/2 a second with a burst and he has no real cc..

i think shaco is one of the hardest champions to play because past level 8 everybody can kill you.. your hoping to be fed enough by level 8 that you kill them quicker than they kill you, you are also hoping the lane phase lasts long (you own this phase) and if both of these happen you get the carry shaco.. otherwise its a harrrrrrrrrrd game.
pff
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11813 Posts
January 24 2013 12:25 GMT
#2317
Which makes shaco annoying in your games, because the whole game is centered around him. Sure, it is probably fun for the shaco. It is quite similar in that regard, as most of the game simply revolves around them, which in my opinion makes picking them something for self-centered players. You force everyone in the game to basically tailor the whole game around you, and if you do well, you win, and if you do bad, you lose. Most people don't like that.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 24 2013 12:28 GMT
#2318
i just randomly want to mention that this game has one of the or maybe even THE worst communities in all gaming. That being said, it's a fun game, so i'll continue playing it anyways
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 24 2013 12:32 GMT
#2319
Hermes rocking with Draven
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 24 2013 12:33 GMT
#2320
The mental, moral and character degeneration as well as the lack of empathy of these players are so astonishing, that i will mention it even a second time now.
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