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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 20:46:02
January 23 2013 20:44 GMT
#2101
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 23 2013 20:47 GMT
#2102
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Not as good as you might think.
Can't use lantern to pull people across the screen for example with Blitz hook.

In terms of raw cc power though, yeah dat shit cray.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 23 2013 20:48 GMT
#2103
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Pull all the way back to tower, use towers to kill everyone.

Make it a Thresh, Blitz, Heimer tri-lane and bring the turrets with you.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 23 2013 20:52 GMT
#2104
On January 24 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Not as good as you might think.
Can't use lantern to pull people across the screen for example with Blitz hook.

In terms of raw cc power though, yeah dat shit cray.

No, what you do is Blitz does Grab, then grabs lantern right away. Pulling the enemy like a screen away, into your team.
liftlift > tsm
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
January 23 2013 20:53 GMT
#2105
On January 24 2013 05:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Not as good as you might think.
Can't use lantern to pull people across the screen for example with Blitz hook.

In terms of raw cc power though, yeah dat shit cray.

No, what you do is Blitz does Grab, then grabs lantern right away. Pulling the enemy like a screen away, into your team.

didn't they specifically remove this interaction on the pbe not long ago?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 20:58:17
January 23 2013 20:55 GMT
#2106
On January 24 2013 05:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Not as good as you might think.
Can't use lantern to pull people across the screen for example with Blitz hook.

In terms of raw cc power though, yeah dat shit cray.

No, what you do is Blitz does Grab, then grabs lantern right away. Pulling the enemy like a screen away, into your team.

This is exactly what I was referring to.
I've tested this; you can't do it.

Edit: Video proof.
http://www.twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems/c/1835448

Check from about 59:00 onwards.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 20:56:51
January 23 2013 20:56 GMT
#2107
On January 24 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 05:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 24 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?

It's funny, cuz veigar has a better flingable version of the spell. lol, slow, fuck that. I rather have the flingable stun.

Also. thresh + blitz lane looks like there would be a lot of trolling potential.


Not as good as you might think.
Can't use lantern to pull people across the screen for example with Blitz hook.

In terms of raw cc power though, yeah dat shit cray.

No, what you do is Blitz does Grab, then grabs lantern right away. Pulling the enemy like a screen away, into your team.

didn't they specifically remove this interaction on the pbe not long ago?

Did they? I don't really keep up with PBE stuff...

Also, amumu jungle + thresh seems op'd too...
actually that lantern in general, with strong cc jungle just seems a bit too good.
liftlift > tsm
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
January 23 2013 21:14 GMT
#2108
The only thing I see is a real anti-Blitz lane. Thresh basically negates the pull with a lantern and the shield should save most ADs from being oneshot in the combo. It's still not exactly that good of a concept to have a support try to collect drops because it punishes roaming around to ward so incredibly hard. I ward the mid jungle exits from botlane whenever I have a ward left over which already costs me some XP but to lose all these stats in addition to that seems too much. The ult is horrible anyways, no question. He's awesome for disengaging but apart from that the best you can do is to position off the battlefield and throw lanterns to your ADC after pulling the first incoming wave of people off him. The question for me is how that is ever supposed to work when Olaf is the direct counterpick to the champ. As is every heavy harass lane like Cait or Sona comps. I prefer Leonda to do the exact same things but better to be honest.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 23 2013 21:15 GMT
#2109
Skarner/Blitz + Thresh combos were explicitly fixed on the PBE very quickly because it would have been utterly stupid (if funny).

What has been bugging me is that in the spotlight Vayne hits two walls and both affect her, despite what the tooltip on Thresh's ultimate says. It's clear from the updated lantern particle that this was recorded after they changed the functionality. My best guess is you simply can't hit two walls simultaneously, but if you're a derp and run into another wall you'll get hit again.

If they've goofed then you can actually nail someone with two wall with relatively ease. One of the points of the pentagon is always directly behind Thresh, so if you face directly away from your opponent you can drop the point right on top of them. With its high base damage and AP scaling, you can really ruin a squishy's day (but again, only if Riot's goofed).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 21:20:04
January 23 2013 21:19 GMT
#2110
So frommaplestreet is on gtrsrs's team? This team isn't on/affiliated with TL in any way right?
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 21:47:53
January 23 2013 21:33 GMT
#2111
On January 24 2013 06:19 TheLink wrote:
So frommaplestreet is on gtrsrs's team? This team isn't on/affiliated with TL in any way right?


Yes, frommaplestreet is on DnG. There is no LoL team affiliated to TL.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 23 2013 21:42 GMT
#2112
Thresh's lantern still seems practical for squishier champs that have initiating power and can then be pulled back to safety--Thresh+Annie being the most immediately apparent one.
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Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
January 23 2013 22:06 GMT
#2113
PBE Mac Client:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33817163
"My spoon is too big."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 23 2013 22:07 GMT
#2114
I don't know, if you Q an enemy, you can pull you and him together, drop the box to fuck him over, then run through the back side of the box towards your team. You should survive b/c the enemy team can't chase you through the other side of the box, potentially gib an enemy or force him out of the fight.

His lantern is a free fucking locket too, and we know how broken that is already.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
January 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2115
On January 24 2013 06:42 TheYango wrote:
Thresh's lantern still seems practical for squishier champs that have initiating power and can then be pulled back to safety--Thresh+Annie being the most immediately apparent one.


Or it could be combo's that have thresh assist the initiation seeing as supports can generally build tanky enough to survive initial burst, they're generally tankier than the mid/ADC past about 15 minutes.

have Thresh Q in, drop a lantern behind and drag a Galio/Kennen/morg(flash optional) into the middle of the enemy team.
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2116
Really keen to see Thresh used in high-level organised play; most of my PBE experiences were of allies ignoring the lantern, heh. Do T.R.O.L.L.S. have a PBE wing?
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 22:20:46
January 23 2013 22:15 GMT
#2117
On January 24 2013 06:14 Timerly wrote:
The only thing I see is a real anti-Blitz lane. Thresh basically negates the pull with a lantern and the shield should save most ADs from being oneshot in the combo. It's still not exactly that good of a concept to have a support try to collect drops because it punishes roaming around to ward so incredibly hard. I ward the mid jungle exits from botlane whenever I have a ward left over which already costs me some XP but to lose all these stats in addition to that seems too much. The ult is horrible anyways, no question. He's awesome for disengaging but apart from that the best you can do is to position off the battlefield and throw lanterns to your ADC after pulling the first incoming wave of people off him. The question for me is how that is ever supposed to work when Olaf is the direct counterpick to the champ. As is every heavy harass lane like Cait or Sona comps. I prefer Leonda to do the exact same things but better to be honest.


How to counter Olaf with Thresh:
  1. Throw Lantern in the direction your carry is running.
  2. Run in a different, safer direction.
  3. Carry clicks the Lantern.
  4. Sad viking.

Things you can do to mitigate souls lost while roaming:
  • Place dragon/tribrush wards between waves.
  • (Purple) Swing by Wolves/Blue as they're cleared on your way to lane to pick up souls.
  • (Blue) Swing by Golems/Red as they're cleared on your way to lane to pick up souls.
  • Ward jungle entrances when nearby camps are about to be cleared by an ally.

I don't really understand why you think the "best" you described disparagingly isn't all that good. The ability to deflect a wave of opponents, followed by creating distance for your carry, seems like the sort of thing which should make support players cackle in mad delight.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 23 2013 22:19 GMT
#2118
Speaking of Thresh, what ADs do you guys think will be strong with him?

Seems like Vayne would work well to position for wall stun. He also has great peels for someone like Ashe or MF(box+MF ult, ouch).
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 23 2013 22:21 GMT
#2119
On January 24 2013 07:19 Mondeezy wrote:
Speaking of Thresh, what ADs do you guys think will be strong with him?

Seems like Vayne would work well to position for wall stun. He also has great peels for someone like Ashe or MF(box+MF ult, ouch).


Koggles is a great candidate too. Being able to reposition is huuuuge for him. Hypercarry4lyfe.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 23 2013 22:22 GMT
#2120
On January 24 2013 03:27 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 02:57 cLutZ wrote:
"The box" looks like one of the worst ults in the game. Or is that just me?


Screw looks.
The Box is the worst name for an ultimate i have ever heard.


Well yea

I just dont see how a support (who is RANGED if we dont forget) can possibly be tanky enough to get good use from it in a typical game.
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