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On December 20 2012 06:04 cascades wrote:
What elo does the dumb lastpick mid or feed shit disappear?

Thank you all!
Well, I was last pick 2 times so far, so the carrying thing isn't really working yet, but we'll see.

Also, is my eve build (sorcs, guise and abyssal into rylais and GA) any good? And is it also ok to sell guise for void staff lategame? Cuz I think Liandrys is pretty bad on anyone except Teemo.

On December 20 2012 06:08 Sufficiency wrote:
I think some people genuinely do not like to play support because it used to be dominated by passive babysitters such as Soraka and Janna and these players prefer an aggressive playstyle. Aggressive supports are usually very expensive though.

One of my RL friends is like that. He would usually just troll if he was last pick and had to play support, because he used to not own any supports beside Blitzcrank and Alistar (but they were often banned). Later on I gifted him the Arcande Sona skin while I was at PAX and he actually started to volunteer playing support.

I hugely dislike players who wants to play ADC but refuse to play support though. They are 99.99% bad.

On December 20 2012 06:13 Requizen wrote:

How do people find Janna and Soraka not fun? You're rarely in danger and get to make big plays that save people and get praise. 80% win rate on Raka pro.

On December 20 2012 06:00 Fildun wrote:
Thank you all!
Well, I was last pick 2 times so far, so the carrying thing isn't really working yet, but we'll see.

Also, is my eve build (sorcs, guise and abyssal into rylais and GA) any good? And is it also ok to sell guise for void staff lategame? Cuz I think Liandrys is pretty bad on anyone except Teemo.

On December 20 2012 06:11 Simberto wrote:


Dunno, i have never met them. So, i can attest that they are apparently not that common between 1400-1700 on EUW.



I am pretty sure that you want a dfg in there somewhere, and maybe a deathcap. I don't really see why you would want rylais, given that you can chase anyone you can hit with you spells down anyways, and your goal is mostly assassinating squishies and then mop up afterwards. But i don't play eve, so take that with a grain of salt.

On December 20 2012 06:16 sylverfyre wrote:

Not so sure about the Rylai in there (I'd think DFG or Zhonya would be much better.) but the core items are great.

And yes, good call selling guise and buying void - Liandry doesn't work well with Eve's kit (you chunk them hard at the start, so % current health slow burn isn't that great. You don't even apply the full length dot with hate spike or ulti.)

On December 20 2012 06:22 Fildun wrote:
@Simberto and sylverfyre
I mainly buy rylais for the survivability because most of the time they try to focus me.
I always build a deathcap as well, but imo zhonyas doesn't synergize with the Q spam at all.
However, DFG seems like a good option to me, so I'll try that.

On December 20 2012 06:15 Sufficiency wrote:


That's what I thought too. But some people just don't like it. He would troll me if he had to pick support, and we've known each other for how long? Almost 10 years?

And it's not that he has very few champions. He has like 60+ champions. But he spends all of his IP buying top laners.

On December 20 2012 06:29 Simberto wrote:


There is a big difference between Janna and Soraka. Soraka is boring. She does not do "big plays". You stand around, wait for someone to be punched, then press w. Janna can do cool stuff. Throw people up, throw people away, slow people, thus saving lots of your teammates and dooming theirs. Soraka does nothing like that. The thing closest to a cool play you can do with her is silencing an AP.

Winrates don't necessarily correlate with fun. If you had a champion, lets call him auraboy, who just doubles the stats of all his allies and does nothing else, you would probably win a lot. He would still be boring.

To me, fun is in having abilities that can be used in a clutch way. Basically, that means that when i play support, i want some sort of CC to have fun with. If i don't have any, then i don't really do a lot. I don't do damage, i am not tanky, and if i can't cc stuff, either, then my job ist mostly to run around, not die, ward, and buff the rest of the team. That might be effective, but it is also not a lot of fun. Which means, that for me, the list of supports that are not fun basically consists of Soraka and Nunu.

On December 20 2012 06:15 Sufficiency wrote:


That's what I thought too. But some people just don't like it. He would troll me if he had to pick support, and we've known each other for how long? Almost 10 years?

And it's not that he has very few champions. He has like 60+ champions. But he spends all of his IP buying top laners.

On December 20 2012 06:29 Simberto wrote:


There is a big difference between Janna and Soraka. Soraka is boring. She does not do "big plays". You stand around, wait for someone to be punched, then press w. Janna can do cool stuff. Throw people up, throw people away, slow people, thus saving lots of your teammates and dooming theirs. Soraka does nothing like that. The thing closest to a cool play you can do with her is silencing an AP.

Winrates don't necessarily correlate with fun. If you had a champion, lets call him auraboy, who just doubles the stats of all his allies and does nothing else, you would probably win a lot. He would still be boring.

To me, fun is in having abilities that can be used in a clutch way. Basically, that means that when i play support, i want some sort of CC to have fun with. If i don't have any, then i don't really do a lot. I don't do damage, i am not tanky, and if i can't cc stuff, either, then my job ist mostly to run around, not die, ward, and buff the rest of the team. That might be effective, but it is also not a lot of fun. Which means, that for me, the list of supports that are not fun basically consists of Soraka and Nunu.

On December 20 2012 06:31 Fildun wrote:
Ok, thanks all!

Also, does anyone maybe have tips for supporting an Ashe? With all the other ADCs I have a few setups that work, but with Ashe I just feel like I can't do anything

On December 20 2012 06:13 Requizen wrote:

How do people find Janna and Soraka not fun? You're rarely in danger and get to make big plays that save people and get praise. 80% win rate on Raka pro.

On December 20 2012 06:37 Lmui wrote:


They don't carry lanes the same way leona or blitz or ali do though. Hell, a good sona literally 2v1's the lane.

Season 2 I had 43W 27L on Soraka. I bought leona near the end of season 2 and in season 3 I'm currently sitting at 10W 1L on Leona. and much the same ratios as season 2 on raka.

Being soraka's pretty boring in comparison, You just sit at the edge of the fight, just in range to pop your heal/silence on priority targets and then mash R/Q for the eternity it takes for W to come back up. In a losing game, a clutch heal won't save you from losing. A clutch pull from blitz or 3+ person leona ultimate will.