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Just from personal experience.
When your minions are killed by the enemy tower before their next wave arrives = reset
If they aren't there are 2 things that can happen:
1. Your wave is not that big and the 1 wave of enemy minions that push out are slightly damaged = your lane will push again
2. Your wave is big enough for 2 enemy waves to accumalate when their tower is killing your minions and therefore after your minions are killed will push on you.
I haven't done it myself (I probably should) but to get the timings done and stuff, just play a game without enemy and try to get the lane to reset, or push into you.
Also don't forget there is always the option to sacrifice 1-2 minions to get the lane pushed.
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not pushing your lane & zoneing is hard technique and can easily be shutdown by ranged champions especially in a 2v2 setup. Thinking you can do this for a significant amount of time while both turrets are alive is delusional in alot of cases. You can freeze and zone for some time but eventually you have to push & poke/shop/gank.
Also there are a ton of setups where you simply cannot/should not trade if your lane is not pushing.
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On December 19 2012 20:31 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 20:15 WhiteDog wrote:
sOAZ getting banned (temp ban through it's okay). In 2 years, the whole pro scene will be brand new, with half the player retired for bad conduct.
:D And rightly so imo. NN toxic players, even in the competitive scene. Pro players should be held to higher standards than normal players, due to the unique circumstance where Riot is actually paying salaries, which afaik hasn't happened before with a game dev. Pro players behaving badly would be bad for Riot's public image.
Yeah I agree, pro player should have a good vocabulary, wash their teeth everydays and wait to be married before having sex.
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It's official: badass female characters have the best login music.
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Rofl anyone seen the Reaperd inteview by Carmac?
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On December 19 2012 17:56 NEOtheONE wrote:
They fixed the interaction between homeguard boots and teleport. It now only gives the boost for the first 1 second after teleporting.
"Fixed", as in removing one of the most fun things that S3 brought.
Edit: Holy shit that login music.
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On December 19 2012 22:17 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 21:04 Tobberoth wrote:
Personally, I find it pretty hard to "reset" a lane. I know the basics of it, push into their tower, their tower does the counter-pushing for you and their lane starts to push. However, I generally find that if the lane is just outside of the opponents tower and I push it into the tower, their lane won't actually push back all that much, it generally pushes it to that same spot just outside their tower range. I guess it's because I stay close to their tower so their wave doesn't push hard enough... about how far should I expect a "reset" to go, and is there any advice on how to make it reset "stronger"? THIS. Oh~ this so much. UGH. >_< I constantly try it top (freezing, pushing wave to tower when I get a kill, pushing slightly to get an important level before my opponent) and one of the most frustrating things are when it's obvious your opponent doesn't know about it/doesn't do it, but you screw up somewhere and instead of gaining a huge edge out of it it backfires on you. I don't think I've ever managed to reset properly a wave, I send it crashing into the tower, then their next wave is barely damaged, loses and my wave wins, gets into tower range, damages their next before dying, and it repeats without seemingly ever leaving the tower till we're both back in lane and there I sit, waiting for the inevitable gank as I must get pretty close to farm/shove. I know there's a timing related to the next wave's arrival time, but I haven't found it myself yet and it seems that the resources are pretty sparse on those items (DotA's much better documented on those things).
Small tip with the timing: the waves are symmetrical so you can always know the exact location of the next creep wave by looking at your own. IE if your wave is at the first tower then theirs is also at their first tower.
As far as resetting, you must make sure the entire wave makes it into tower by shoving as hard as possible. If you only get the melee minions close enough the ranged ones will sit outside of range and mess it up. Other than that I don't know what you could be doing wrong.. it might take 2-3 waves to get it done (depending on the size of your wave) but if you keep shoving it hard enough it will always reset eventually.
My personal experience with top in Solo Q: never freeze. yes, it will let you win your lane and it is the "right" play sometimes but for solo Q all it really does is force their top lane to roam and put more jungle pressure on other lanes. You can ward and ping them coming all you want but when your team ignores you and gives your lane opponent a double kill + a dragon you end up losing lane anyway.
It is better to constantly push, ward well, and absorb some jungle pressure. You can also roam yourself to gank mid or force a dragon.
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On December 19 2012 23:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:
It's official: badass female characters have the best login music.
dianas theme song is still the best
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On December 20 2012 00:09 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:
It's official: badass female characters have the best login music. dianas theme song is still the best
Vi close #2, but I'm a sucker for this type of punk. Or whatever you call it, I expect some music snob to come in and tell me the difference between punk and whatever. I just know what I like.
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On December 20 2012 00:19 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:09 kongoline wrote:On December 19 2012 23:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:
It's official: badass female characters have the best login music. dianas theme song is still the best Vi close #2, but I'm a sucker for this type of punk. Or whatever you call it, I expect some music snob to come in and tell me the difference between punk and whatever. I just know what I like.
It seriously just runs all over every part of me that loves the crap out of Paramore.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING.
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idk freezing lane is overrated if the two sides are even. It is only good when you are substantially ahead. Freezing the lane when it is even opens you up to having a level disadvantage, eating a bunch of harass, making it difficult to assist your jungler on ganks, and finally if you get ganked under the tower, the lane is basically over since you will lose several waves and perhaps even your tower. Conversely, all of these arguments work positively when you are pushing the lane.
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Unrelated so I'll put it in a separate post, hope that's ok:
Interesting article on BotRK vs BT. I figure mathcrafty people will like it.
From what I understand after reading, BotRK is better if you're just getting one pure damage item (like bruisers who get a single damage item followed by tank/damage hybrid stuff), BT is better if you're getting more damage items OR if you're using AD scaling abilities over autos.
That kind of limits who wants BotRK. "AD casters" like Riven, Panth, etc will want BT for the extra AD (especially on Spear Shot or Valor, plus Riven's Ult is an AD steroid), so what AD bruisers really follow up with that? Jax kind of likes the AP and Spellvamp on Gunblade, maybe Fiora would like it? But she's not really a bruiser so much as a melee ADC. I could see Lee getting it.
Maybe Vi works with it. Getting health and resists for your passive shield, and then BotRK as your one damage item, especially if you're going to be initiating or following an initiate with QR, BotRK can wear them down faster than BT.
Rengar probably would work with it, once they buff him back up. AD Sion, I guess, gives him another way to stick.
Xin probably can use it, but I don't know his current builds.
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Oh wow, Vi's music is sick.
edit: kinda makes me wish i didn't just buy pony and had saved the IP for her...
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I guess now's time to shine cause finally she's here.
HERE COMES VIIIIII!!!!!!!
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Yep, after Fiddle I was all "wut's that" hearing Vi's song. 'cause it's a song. I liked it. Also, flippin' tables. o/
On December 20 2012 00:33 Requizen wrote:Unrelated so I'll put it in a separate post, hope that's ok: Interesting article on BotRK vs BT. I figure mathcrafty people will like it. From what I understand after reading, BotRK is better if you're just getting one pure damage item (like bruisers who get a single damage item followed by tank/damage hybrid stuff), BT is better if you're getting more damage items OR if you're using AD scaling abilities over autos. That kind of limits who wants BotRK. "AD casters" like Riven, Panth, etc will want BT for the extra AD (especially on Spear Shot or Valor, plus Riven's Ult is an AD steroid), so what AD bruisers really follow up with that? Jax kind of likes the AP and Spellvamp on Gunblade, maybe Fiora would like it? But she's not really a bruiser so much as a melee ADC. I could see Lee getting it. Maybe Vi works with it. Getting health and resists for your passive shield, and then BotRK as your one damage item, especially if you're going to be initiating or following an initiate with QR, BotRK can wear them down faster than BT. Rengar probably would work with it, once they buff him back up. AD Sion, I guess, gives him another way to stick. Xin probably can use it, but I don't know his current builds.
Xin just stacks cdr and pretends he's Ryze in teamfights, going EWQ, 3 hits, EW, Q's already off cd, rinse and repeat.
That makes him a very bad pusher though, because he's got no AS and this maxes W last, so I kinda weep in the midgame.
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On December 20 2012 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh wow, Vi's music is sick.
edit: kinda makes me wish i didn't just buy pony and had saved the IP for her...
Riot too sneaky, wait until I've already spent all my IP and RP so I have to buy more T.T
She looks worth it though. And I just got a raise, so I feel like treating myself to a badass steampunk chick.
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On December 20 2012 00:46 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh wow, Vi's music is sick.
edit: kinda makes me wish i didn't just buy pony and had saved the IP for her... Riot too sneaky, wait until I've already spent all my IP and RP so I have to buy more T.T She looks worth it though. And I just got a raise, so I feel like treating myself to a badass steampunk chick.
I know right? It's like "I didn't account for this raise/bonus in my monthly expense planning, so that means I get to spend $1000 on RP!"
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On December 20 2012 00:49 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:46 Requizen wrote:On December 20 2012 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh wow, Vi's music is sick.
edit: kinda makes me wish i didn't just buy pony and had saved the IP for her... Riot too sneaky, wait until I've already spent all my IP and RP so I have to buy more T.T She looks worth it though. And I just got a raise, so I feel like treating myself to a badass steampunk chick. I know right? It's like "I didn't account for this raise/bonus in my monthly expense planning, so that means I get to spend $1000 on RP!"
I didn't ask for RP for Christmas because I feared the disparaging stares of confusion... but I really should have.
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Meh, i want her because of the song and her art, but i already know that i will never play her. Why can't she be a support or jungler who punches people through walls with giant steampunk fists?
Edit: Actually, can you maybe jungle her?
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On December 20 2012 00:50 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:49 thenexusp wrote:On December 20 2012 00:46 Requizen wrote:On December 20 2012 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh wow, Vi's music is sick.
edit: kinda makes me wish i didn't just buy pony and had saved the IP for her... Riot too sneaky, wait until I've already spent all my IP and RP so I have to buy more T.T She looks worth it though. And I just got a raise, so I feel like treating myself to a badass steampunk chick. I know right? It's like "I didn't account for this raise/bonus in my monthly expense planning, so that means I get to spend $1000 on RP!" I didn't ask for RP for Christmas because I feared the disparaging stares of confusion... but I really should have.
That's why you need IRL LoL friends, or people on your friends list who are feeling charitable.
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