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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 17 2012 01:32 GMT
#881
On December 17 2012 10:10 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 10:09 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 17 2012 10:05 TheYango wrote:
On December 17 2012 09:57 Alaric wrote:
Do you mean that it's not such a good item because rylai and/or phage-base items are more common anyway when it comes to slowing items?

Yes. Rylai's and Phage being relatively prolific limits the practical usefulness of Iceborn's slow because slowing targets already affected by Rylai's or Phage slows rarely accomplishes anything significant.

The item would still be usable if it weren't for its other issues, though (such as over-investing in AP when its primary users generally don't want to buy that much AP).

On December 17 2012 09:56 Slusher wrote:
I hate to cut TSM a break but I'm pretty sure they (like clg.eu/na) haven't practiced since worlds and don't plan to until ~jan

I more or less don't consider that an excuse, but I also don't really care much about TSM's performance at this point.

Have you just given up on the NA scene as a whole or just TSM?

Just TSM.

Any current teams you think have the potential to compete on an international level, or just future prospects?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#882
On December 17 2012 10:29 BlackPaladin wrote:
Got that santa baron, haven't played in over a week, and half the time only play bot games for fwotd.
BP most honorable bot slayer. gg


Welcome to the club.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 17 2012 01:50 GMT
#883
FUCK SO TIRED OF CAITLIN

why is she so popular all of a sudden
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 17 2012 01:52 GMT
#884
On December 17 2012 10:50 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
FUCK SO TIRED OF CAITLIN

why is she so popular all of a sudden


WX and Bebe played her to great success in recent tournament.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 17 2012 01:54 GMT
#885
And she's just good. People is sheep, ignored her forever because "gotta play corki/ez/graves all game every game".
It's your boy Guzma!
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 17 2012 01:56 GMT
#886
And the buffs to her were actually really good. Just needed time for people to catch on.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 17 2012 01:57 GMT
#887
On December 17 2012 10:54 Requizen wrote:
And she's just good. People is sheep, ignored her forever because "gotta play corki/ez/graves all game every game".

That combined with all the QoL buffs they did to her in their shadow really helped.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
December 17 2012 01:58 GMT
#888
Also: pairing her with a Nunu support hushed a bunch of the "she has no proper steroid/lategame" kvetching that you'd occasionally see when she was selected, her insane range, and her strength if you're doing a 2v1 swap to shove down a tower early.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 17 2012 01:59 GMT
#889
On December 17 2012 10:58 Haasts wrote:
Also: pairing her with a Nunu support hushed a bunch of the "she has no proper steroid/lategame" kvetching that you'd occasionally see when she was selected, her insane range, and her strength if you're doing a 2v1 swap to shove down a tower early.


Which was hooey anyway, she good escapes and stupid ramnge. Can buy damage, can't buy range.

Her late game always good.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 02:01:07
December 17 2012 02:00 GMT
#890
On December 17 2012 10:54 Requizen wrote:
And she's just good. People is sheep, ignored her forever because "gotta play corki/ez/graves all game every game".

She also had some QoL buffs
Piltover Peacemaker
Damage falloff per subsequent target reduced to 10% from 15%
Minimum damage increased to 50% from 40%
90 Caliber Net can no longer be cast while rooted
v1.0.0.142 - 2012-07-06

Cast time of 90 Caliber Net has been reduced
Ace in the Hole
Range increased to 2000/2500/3000 from 1900/2050/2200
Channel time reduced to 1 second from 1.25 seconds

RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 17 2012 02:03 GMT
#891
On December 17 2012 10:59 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 10:58 Haasts wrote:
Also: pairing her with a Nunu support hushed a bunch of the "she has no proper steroid/lategame" kvetching that you'd occasionally see when she was selected, her insane range, and her strength if you're doing a 2v1 swap to shove down a tower early.


Which was hooey anyway, she good escapes and stupid ramnge. Can buy damage, can't buy range.

Her late game always good.

You could say the same about Corki and Ezreal; you can buy damage, you can't buy jumping over thick walls.
Yes, it took SOME time for her to become popular since 1.0.0.146, but insulting people for not instantly jumping the Caitlyn bandwagon (people is sheep) is really overexaggerating what is happening.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 02:06:28
December 17 2012 02:06 GMT
#892
At low levels, picking tendencies can more or less always be explained by "people are sheep" because at low level play nobody understands the game well enough to draft more competently than that. They just pick what they saw on stream/in a tournament.

At high levels, it's often a product of much more subtle changes in overall drafting strategy between the top teams. I don't think you could easily attribute it to one single change, rather than an amalgamation of multiple factors, some of which are only tangentially related.
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 02:12:03
December 17 2012 02:11 GMT
#893
i'm just waiting for twitch to be noticed. he's my favorite ad atm even managed to steal baron with autos over the wall with his ulti lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 17 2012 02:13 GMT
#894
On December 17 2012 11:11 wussleeQ wrote:
i'm just waiting for twitch to be noticed. he's my favorite ad atm even managed to steal baron with autos over the wall with his ulti lol

Vowels carried me with Twitch today. It's happening.
It's your boy Guzma!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 17 2012 02:14 GMT
#895
On December 17 2012 11:06 TheYango wrote:
At low levels, picking tendencies can more or less always be explained by "people are sheep" because at low level play nobody understands the game well enough to draft more competently than that. They just pick what they saw on stream/in a tournament.

At high levels, it's often a product of much more subtle changes in overall drafting strategy between the top teams. I don't think you could easily attribute it to one single change, rather than an amalgamation of multiple factors, some of which are only tangentially related.

Meh, I actually disagree, since its been my opinion for a LONG time that even at high levels people are sheep. You look at nearly every major shift in the meta or the way a champion has been thought of (at least back when I still followed the scene religiously) it was because either a new team came in and shook things up (M5) or a player got pretty famous for playing a certain hero and others copied it (again, pretty much everyone on M5).

Then top tier teams build that new knowledge into their expectations, things stagnate again until someone else thinks something up new.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 17 2012 02:16 GMT
#896
On December 17 2012 11:06 TheYango wrote:
At low levels, picking tendencies can more or less always be explained by "people are sheep" because at low level play nobody understands the game well enough to draft more competently than that. They just pick what they saw on stream/in a tournament.

At high levels, it's often a product of much more subtle changes in overall drafting strategy between the top teams. I don't think you could easily attribute it to one single change, rather than an amalgamation of multiple factors, some of which are only tangentially related.

Cait should have seen a shit ton of play ever since graves was released, but I was surprised no one did so.... Release graves was fucking real terror, and the only AD that could really deal with it easily was Cait; but pretty much no one played her as a counter for some reason....
liftlift > tsm
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 17 2012 02:18 GMT
#897
This caster on tsmtournaments just doesn't know when to stop. He makes some reference/joke which is already shitty, then continues running with it for 30 seconds...
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 17 2012 02:19 GMT
#898
On December 17 2012 11:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 11:06 TheYango wrote:
At low levels, picking tendencies can more or less always be explained by "people are sheep" because at low level play nobody understands the game well enough to draft more competently than that. They just pick what they saw on stream/in a tournament.

At high levels, it's often a product of much more subtle changes in overall drafting strategy between the top teams. I don't think you could easily attribute it to one single change, rather than an amalgamation of multiple factors, some of which are only tangentially related.

Meh, I actually disagree, since its been my opinion for a LONG time that even at high levels people are sheep. You look at nearly every major shift in the meta or the way a champion has been thought of (at least back when I still followed the scene religiously) it was because either a new team came in and shook things up (M5) or a player got pretty famous for playing a certain hero and others copied it (again, pretty much everyone on M5).

Then top tier teams build that new knowledge into their expectations, things stagnate again until someone else thinks something up new.

At the point where teams were sheeping M5, I wouldn't consider a lot of those top NA teams the highest level anymore.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#899
Uh... Wukong, tabi/bulwark/randuin's as defensive items, I had 3500 HP, 198 armor, 130 MR. Then factor in his passive that gives 40 of each at the start of a teamfight. Then add in a Taric with his own bulwark (10 armor, 30 MR) and his 30 armor shatter aura.
And here I was saying that resistances are hard to come by...

Also built a BC/BT/phage on top of it so my ult was doing 2.3k (after the stacked BT, a bit less than 2000 before I bought any part). In AoE. Oh and anyone caught in its full duration had -25% armor. Which means that the one hit by my Q (30% Armor reduc for 3 seconds) was sitting at around half his armor for a very brief period (around 28% armor for an ally with ArPen mastery + LW).
Then you have the ArPen mastery and the 34 ArPen from runes, masteries and BC.

(Just for the record, that game we also had Orianna mid, who got a lot of kills and an easier time AoE-farming than me, so kinda early deathcap then void staff. At this point we didn't even bothered to protect Tristana, we just killed everyone but LB (tp-ing away) and Nidalee (diving so not in range).)

Wukong doesn't have the best laning phase out there, and in a lot of early and midgame fights I was unable to come help clean-up because the lack of lifesteal hurt when taking most of the peeling in my face, but damn. The new items and especially the HP itemization to go hand-in-hand with his passive make him so stupidly strong in teamfights if he manages to farm, even more than before.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#900
Well didn't na teams pick him at ipl5 and fail hard with him ?Also every ad other than trist seems to be played at tournies at least from time to time.Riot just needs to make passive on e toggleable and she should start getting played really often as well.
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